Free Kyle Rittenhouse!! Kyle was there offering first aid to victims of rioters. He was about to get shot by fired first.

No, he's being tried for murder and a jury of his peers will decide if it was self defense or murder.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Even thought all eye witnesses (except for Antifa) and video evidence shows it was self defense?

That's for a jury to decide. Chances are he's going to get off, or get a short sentence. I don't think he deserves the intentional homicide based on what I currently know, but there is evidence that may justify reckless homicide.

It sounds like Rosenbaum was actively trying to provoke people. But Kyle's compatriot said Mr. Lackowski testified that Rosenbaum had been trying to start stuff all night but was an idiot and did not pose a danger to himself or anybody else.

"I really didn't see him as a threat at all, to be honest with you," said Lackowski.

Richard McGinnis, the daily caller reporter testifies that he saw Kyle running toward the other car lot and decided to follow.

There is also the new FBI infrared footage that shows Rittenhouse pursuing Rosenbaum into the car lot, and then Rosenbaum pursuing Rittenhouse. Is it self defense when you started chasing the person? I would think not unless the defense can make the case that there was some other motive.

The video evidence and the testimony of witnesses (who were not Antifa) alone should have caused this case to be dismissed and never gone to trial. It is blindingly obvious that those Antifa dudes were chasing Kyle around most of the night. Kyle was there for one purpose only, to offer first aid to the victims of Antifa and even to Antifa themselves.

One of the Antifa idiots knocked Kyle to the ground with a skateboard. Then one of the idiots pointed a gun at Kyle but Kyle nearly blow his arm off. Another guy pointed his gun at Kyle and Kyle killed him. At no time prior to that one event did Kyle ever point his weapon at any one. Even when they there throwing stuff at Kyle and chasing him off the street.

This was pure and simple self-defense. Kyle's only problem is he shot a couple of darling Antifa idiots and the left is enraged by that. If those guys murdered Kyle they wouldn't have even been arrested.

You're lying agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain............

That's an inaccurate jumble. He wasn't chased around all night. I guess you can identify the Antifa witnessed based on whether you agree with them?

He shot someone and was fleeing. I'm not saying one way or the other whether fleeing was the right decision, it might have been. Staying put could have been dangerous. It comes down to whether he instigated by chasing rosenbaum

It may be jumbled but it is far from inaccurate. What you have to do is what the videos that they do not show on mainstream media. There is footage that is unedited for time out there that, while may be boring and long, show you exactly what happened.

There were 2 incursions between Kyle and the Antifa thugs and in both you clearly see the thugs approach Kyle and then you see Kyle running away. The second time they are shown throwing something at him and he ran off behind a building and Antifa stopped pursuing him.

The last incursion happened when Kyle came back later in the evening was in the street looking for people who may have been hurt or injured. Those same Antifa idiots saw him. Anthony Huber started repeatedly hitting Kyle with his skateboard, knocking him to the ground. Kyle shot and killed Huber. Gaige Grosskreutz pointed a pistol at Kyle but hesitated pulling the trigger for some reason. This gave Kyle enough time to shoot first and just about blew Grosskreutz's arm off. This caused Joseph Rosenbaum to point his pistol at Kyle but Kyle was faster and he killed Rosenbaum. This all happened while Kyle was still on the ground.

At no point in the video did Kyle chase anyone. He only ran except when he got knocked down. If he hadn't gotten knocked down he most likely would have ran again rather than use deadly force.

At no time before being knocked to the ground did Kyle ever use his AR-15 in a threatening manner. It was slung around and hanging on his back they entire night until his life was threatened.

So forget what ever the mainstream media is lying to you about, I saw the footage. I saw what happened. I know the mainstream media is lying about the events because my wife turned on the TV yesterday to CBS when the CBS evening news was on. They were covering the trial and they purposely reported the story as if everything was Kyle's fault. They did everything but come right out and say that because they knew it would be libel had they actually said it was Kyle's fault. It pissed me off because I watched the long unedited video and I have seen other videos as well. All of them show conclusively that Kyle acted in self defense.

I found it interesting that when they questioned Gaige Grosskreutz yesterday that he just came right out and said he was point his gun at Kyle when Kyle shot him. He didn't try to lie like the media is.

You can't put yourself in a life it death situation and then call it self defense.

Truth be told, he might get off.

But it isn't black and white. He played hero and made mistakes and people died. I really don't know what the jury will decide, but he went running off alone to the second car lot.

He doesn't deserve life, but he doesn't deserve to get off scott free either. He went to play hero. He misrepresented himself all night. He wasn't a paramedic. He wasn't 18. He lacked training. If he had been on private property and was attacked, then self defense. But he sought trouble and his recklessness resulted in Huber dying. I can't say Rosenbaum didn't bring his circumstances on himself, but Gaige and Huber only knew Kyle had shot someone and was running away.

I think Kyle showed restraint and wasn't actively trying to kill anyone, but the law isn't just about intent. The reckless homicide charge seems appropriate to me.

So then you are saying that hanging out with Antifa is a "life or death situation"? He wasn't looking for a fight. You don't run away with an AR-15 around your neck if you are looking for a fight. He didn't want a fight at all. If he did he might have brandished the AR-15 or possibly even pointed at them early on. He never did anything like that. The only time he used his AR-15 was when he was being beaten with a skateboard and he had guns pointed at him.

My guess you have only seen the highly edited videos or listened the left wing news. They are lying to you. You can find much better video coverage online. Probably not on YouTube because they are part of the problem. All you have to do is look.

He didn't put himself in that situation. He kept trying to avoid it over and over. Those 3 Antifa idiots were out for blood. They have a history of violence. Long before they were rioting many of them had a policy of "punch a Nazi". And who were the Nazis? Everyone who wasn't them. They didn't care what your ideology was, to them you were a Nazi.

Kyle deserves a serious apology and recompense for pain, suffering and all legal expenses.

What is happening is political theater. The left wants to show their power over a legally permissible shooting. This is a ramp up to gun confiscation. Every Democrat voter on the planet will jump in and deny that this is ever going to happen. If would they ever listened to the scum they put in office they might change their minds but they don't. They just vote for them because if they voted for someone other than a Democrat they might be labeled a racist.

That is part of the mind control the Marxist have over their minions which includes Antifa. The left fears being called a racist. The right used to for decades but you have cried wolf for so long we no longer listen to you. Your side has destroyed the word racism because now it just means, "your a conservative and I hate you".

I've seen the full video, or at least I think I have. I've seen the video of Kyle's group guarding the car lot and putting out the fire. I think they did a good job. They weren't antagonizing, they put out a fire, etc. My issue is Kyle didn't act professional. He wandered of alone. If they had been threatened all night as they claim, he should have known better.

Kyle may or may not be a white supremacist. I've seen no compelling evidence that he is, and the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If he were, that might speak to motive, but honestly shouldn't matter legally. Actions matter more than motive. People can believe what they want. I've seen no evidence that anyone involved was antifa, and of they were, it doesn't matter - people can believe what they want.

Gun confiscation - I deny it because it's dumb. A few politicians who didn't get elected said they were coming for assault rifles, not all guns.

What you fail to appreciate is that the extreme left is just as paranoid of the things a right wing government might do if we were unarmed. Like you, some jump the gun (pun) and assume that every little thing is leading to a takeover like you think it's all about guns.

The gun snatch is also silly because people can and have 3d printed guns now. How can you confiscate something I can make at home? Plus 3d printing (and selling) guns is even explicitly legal, though most states require a metal plate inserted so they can't bypass metal detectors. California also requires a serial number be obtained and made part of the gun.

"Honestly, I agree with most of that. He was 17, but that's neither here nor there. He was defending himself... But how are the two people chasing a guy fleeing the site of a shooting any more to blame?"

I need to look up the time line on when Kyle shot the guy who was beating him with his skateboard. I think that happened just before the video I saw yesterday where Kyle was running towards the cops. Some came up from behind Kyle and punched him in the head, knocking him to the street. People started rushing him and he pointed his gun to try to stop them from further violence. Then Grosskreutz pointed his gun at Kyle and Kyle shot him in the arm. It was after this that the child molester, Rosenbaum, drew down on Kyle and Kyle shot and killed him.

Kyle was on the ground and a mob of violent people were running after him.

I do remember that they were not Antifa. They were part of some other pro-communist group. There were a handful of other communist groups that joined in with Antifa and BLM in the protests/riots. They all have the same goal.

The dude kept running away from those rioters. How does that make him act like a soldier?

"I think he deserves the reckless endangerment charge because the opposite example is that you can go into dangerous areas where police have explicitly put up barricades said, armed illegally, and then claim self defense when things go south."

Like I said, his group showed up to offer first aid to victims of the rioters. It was a humanitarian effort. The armed themselves because they knew how violent the rioters were. I suppose that does fit your meaning but the intention was not to foment violence but rather to help those hurt by the rioters and even the rioters who got hurt rioting.

The only law that Kyle broke was being a minor and bringing a firearm from another state. I personally think that charge should be dropped because of the trauma the rioters inflicted on him.

When he defended himself the mob was yelling to "cranium" him and kill hm. The mob was out for blood. If I was 17 and I found myself being beaten and having stuff thrown at me by a mob yelling to kill me I would have gotten PTSD from that. That must have been an absolute nightmare for him. He went there to help and everyone decided they wanted to kill him.

But that is the legacy of communism. It has always been about violence and death.

Your timeline is off. Rosenbaum was shot first. Kyle was fleeing after that - whether to police or escape. The crowd was yelling that he'd shot someone. Kyle tripped and some guy kicked him. Huber hit him with his skateboard and then they struggled for the gun. Huber was shot. Then Gaige approached gun drawn and was shot. Were Huber and Gaige trying to kill him or capture/subdue him? Idk, and I think Kyle didn't either. So, I think he probably deserves to beat the murder charges. But the defense had two conflicting issues - if the experiences of the night and threats that had been issued all night made him jumpy and warranted his reactions, then he should have partnered with someone for his patrol. If he wasn't stressed about that as it was mostly only Rosenbaum issuing threats then he should have stayed in place after the shooting, utilized his medic training and called 911. The jury has a tough call on this one tbh.

Rosenbaum was the instigator - there is little doubt there. But not everyone knew that in the moment. If they had... But no point speculating.

Communism? I'm failing to make that logical leap with you.

"Your timeline is off. Rosenbaum was shot first. Kyle was fleeing after that - whether to police or escape. The crowd was yelling that he'd shot someone. Kyle tripped and some guy kicked him"

Well I was going from my memory from a year and half ago and the video I saw last night.

So I decided to start digging up footage to put things together.

I found this video from the Tucker Carlson show. https://rumble.com/vahlf3-tucker-carlson-tonight-airs-new-kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-footage.html

Apparently there is footage of the guy hitting Kyle with the skateboard as well as a photograph.

Where Rosenbaum was shot was not at all were I thought he was show. There was no audio that I could remember from the videos I saw last year. I didn't know that when they were chasing Kyle into that parking lot that this is where Kyle shot Rosenbaum.

Later when Kyle was running to the police he, as you said, tripped. I thought I remembered him falling right after the dude hit him in the head but I was wrong. He did trip.

Then Huber hit Kyle with the edge of his skateboard in Kyle head and reached for the rifle. Kyle fired a single shot killing Huber.

Another rioter, Grosskreutz, lunges at Kyle and Kyle points his rifle at him. He backs off but then pulls out a handgun and pointed it at Kyle when Kyle shot his arm.

I found 2 other videos, both are 2 hour broadcasts of Elijah Schafer's show. Schafer was actually there and saw Kyle shoot Grosskreutz and maybe Huber. I didn't watch these shows because they are 2 hours long.

You can watch them if you want but I can understand if you don't have 4 hours of your life to watch two shows. I probably won't watch them all the way to the end myself.

https://rumble.com/von32a-new-rittenhouse-fbi-video-puts-trial-in-question-guest-john-doyle-11221.html

https://rumble.com/vp20ge-rittenhouse-bursts-into-tears-recounts-horrific-night-in-kenosha-guest-jorg.html

There's a reason why I went to Rumble rather than YouTube. Because YouTube is run by radical leftists who believe in censorship. They didn't used to censor videos but since Trump got elected they begin demonetizing conservative videos, trying to hide them from searches and remove them altogether. So if I want to watch a video on how to smoke a pork shoulder then I go to YouTube. Anything political I go to Rumble because I know it will be there. I just got tired if not finding what I was looking for on YouTube.

I need to apologize. I did see the several videos showing what happened from different angles back right after it happened about a year and a half ago.

I haven't watched those videos since then. I was mistaken when I said I saw the video of the guy beating Kyle with his skateboard. I had heard that is what happened but apparently there is no footage of that happening.

So I apologize for that. However, the facts remain the same. Kyle only fired on them when he feared for his life.

He didn't go there to shoot blacks, like one idiot media commentator said. We don't know if he is or is not a white supremacist but that doesn't matter because his actions in Kenosha were not based on race. In fact he shot 3 white guys.

I saw another video yesterday that showed him running from the rioters to the police when someone yelled "cranium" which is code for shoot Kyle in the cranium. Someone hit him from behind, knocking him to the ground. That's when he had to defend his life from other rioters.

Kyle is just a kid. I think he was 16 when he was there. For being a kid he showed great restraint in not using his weapon in non-life threatening events.

Honestly, I agree with most of that. He was 17, but that's neither here nor there. He was defending himself... But how are the two people chasing a guy fleeing the site of a shooting any more to blame? The one shot was shot while raising his gun toward Kyle... But Kyle was already aiming a gun at him.

Honestly, it was a mess. He was just a kid, and thus has no business being there acting like a soldier. I blame the people he was with too - he was a kid. The guy leading the group described Kyle as under equipped and under experienced. Yet nobody partnered him with someone or kept an eye on him.

Early days, you are right - people tried to paint him as a monster. Some probably still are, because that's what we seem to do. But the video of the people guarding the car lot... Like I said before, they weren't trying to start anything. I can't find any fault in what they did. But when Kyle went off alone... On one hand, you can't be blamed for being attacked... But he was in a city under curfew, with a gun he wasn't legally allowed to have, and making poor tactical decisions on top of it.

I think he deserves the reckless endangerment charge because the opposite example is that you can go into dangerous areas where police have explicitly put up barricades said, armed illegally, and then claim self defense when things go south. If this goes Kyle's way and Arbery's shooters go free (separate case), my takeaway is the left needs to arm up like it's the wild west. If Kyle had missed that shot at Huber and Gaige has shot Kyle, could be have called it self defense? After all they were pursuing a suspected criminal. How is that different from the guys pursuing Arbery? People have a right to defend themselves, but both of these cases stretch that principle to breaking.

Show me how that is a lie.

How are you on the first and second amendments as the founding fathers intended?

What do you think about the 10th amendment?

Should those rights be protected for all Americans or just a select few who believe a specific way.

Should the government have as much power as it has today?

Where in the Constitution does it say that the government has the right or authority to force a private business to shut down, require employees to wear a mask and/or require employees to get a vaccine?

Do you support the same economic philosophy (i.e. Adam Smith) the founders gave us?

Does the individual have sovern rights over their person and property or can the government restrict any of that? For example, can a person in California remove a Joshua tree from his yard? Can a person live where they want and not be removed because the city wants to build a football stadium on his property?

Can a high school student talk privately to a friend about religion on school grounds? Can that same student pray quietly on school grounds?

Can a person from Georgia or Alabama fly the Confederate battle flag in front of his or her house without being called a racist?

You're more level headed than many on the left so you would probably answer most if not all questions correctly. However, you run the risk of being called a Nazi or a racist if you answer those questions in ear shot of many on the left.

Everything you say is a lie.

The psyho kid went there to murder people, and that's what he did, so have the decency to be honest about it or go back to sucking your thumb under the bed.