Coserv./Libertarians: At what point do you finally listen to the government when it issues a stay-at-home order? Ex.: 14th century Black Plague that wiped out 2/3 of Europe? Liberals: How do you know that the pandemic is not used as a trial run, conditioning, or pretext to Martial Law? The government has lied before ex.: Golf of Tonkin incident that led us to the Vietnam War