Illegal Immigrants

Fellas, is it fascism to not let vulnerable people starve and let them have the opportunity to start a family or maintain one they have even if they don’t have the “proper paperwork” to be here?

So, a couple of variables you are missing with your generous comment. Allow me to explain. You have described pretty much everyone on south, central, and north America. They all want to come to United States because the people in United States did the right thing at one point that allowed for its people to grow and prosper. Letting people in, good amout of them are uneducated, some are criminals, murderers, abusive. We do not know, so you just can't let everyone in, you have to protect your people against those. Now, countries in south, central, and north America have resources just like United States, so why are they coming here? The solution, just as seen in South Park Time Immigrats episode, is to go to those countries and help them there, overthrow their corrupted politicians SO THAT people in those countries can enjoy their own country's riches, live a dignified life AND not have to illegally cross a border. Doing something illegal still a crime. It is not fare for those who worked hard to come to United States legally either, think about that. So no, we can't let them in, it does not help anyone. You want to help them, you get off your confort zone and go help them at their country.

The reason most of those governments are so f**ked up is that the US overthrew them in the past.

Nope, you are wrong. Can you back up that claim? The reason why they are doing bad is because they have corrupted government who keeps dumping the neglected on us, while getting richer out of that country's resources. By us taking those people in we are enablers for them to keep dumping people on us, infinity loop here. Still the solution is the same, your one liner response did not changed a thing. What's the matter, do not want to get off your confort zone to go to those countries to help them in their need? And I tought I was here talking to someone who cared... guess all you care is about your political party by backing them up. There us a name for that, hypocrisy.

During the Cold War America had many democratically elected socialist leaders killed and replaced with dictators. Also I hate to break it fo you but I’m not a democrat.

Did I called you a democrat? Didn't your mom teach you not to judge based on assumptions? And you clearly can't back up an statement. During the cold war, okay that is a start. Which countries? Which leaders got killed and which got replaced. Show me the evidence to back up that claim, or don't, gonna stop you right there. Cold war ended in 1979, is not recent, and most of those countries had several shift of leadership... so irrelevant. We are talking about now illegal immigrants being dumped in US which the result will be turning this country as garbage as the one they are fleeing now, then what? Which country will be the next the human locust will migrate to next once United States is ruined? We are not some war with US and Soviet Union many decades ago. So far you have not been able to derrail the conversation, you are trying hard since you cant argue.

Cold War ended in 1991 and the affects of it are still being felt. 9/11 was a result of Cold War anti socialist campaigns. And that started an illegal war to get oil for corporations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_(1962%E2%80%931979)
You still failed to provide me who killed who and got replaced by who that ruined that country to the point United States is responsible for the misfortune of that nation that now they all have to cross the border illegally. Also good job at disregarding all the other good points I am bringing. We are not talking about 9/11 or the cold war. As a reminder, we are talking about illegal immigrants entering United States. If you want to link the current events to events of the past you best back it up with factual recorded knowledge so that I can consider reading it. As it is, and I keep repeating myself, the only solution is for us to help them in THEIR country so that they can enjoy the riches of their country, live a dignified life and have no need to break bordering laws. Letting people through in an irrational manner is not the solution, does not help, does not fix the problem.

You cited an article that is very clearly referring to a time in the Cold War not the main article on the Cold War. Here’s the main article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
Ok I’ll address your points. It is immoral to deny entrance to people who need it because other people are criminals. Helping the countries that they come from sounds great but it’s not gonna happen. Also in some cases it is in the fascist American government’s best interest to not help them. It’s not like Johnny freedom can swoop all over the world and make all the little children happy like in a capitalist propaganda cartoon

"It is immoral to deny entrance to people who need it because other people are criminals." Say that when an illegal sex offender is raping your mother, will see then how quickly you change your mind. I know this woman who had her husband+son+daughter murdered by an illegal drunk driver in one day on a car crash. You go and tell her about your morals and get her opinion. It is illegal to cross a nations border, that simple, I have no simpathy for law breakers. My parents had to work their butts off to come to this country legally and earn citizenship, not so that some illegal cross the border and they get more rights than me. I think your views are disrespectful to me and my family. Your views of morality do not match many of the Americans that gave common sence about enforcing border security. "Helping the countries that they come from sounds great but it’s not gonna happen." Is the ONLY solution, and yes it is not going to happen as long as HIGH moral people like you are sitting their butts in front of a computer trolling in meme sites. It requires action and getting off your confort zone.

I’m not saying that violent criminals shouldn’t be punished I’m saying that innocents shouldn’t be punished for the actions of violent criminals

Are you serious? Biden could send in troops today and overthrow Any of those countries overnight and set up constitutional democracies/ republics in every one of them. They would prosper and rival the US with their resources. He doesn't do it because he's one of the bad ones.

What I meant is that the US government doesn’t care.

I am not saying punishing innocents for the actions of criminals. Who are the innocent? Who are the criminals? Law breakers are the criminals. They broke the law by coming to the country illegally, they will do it again to get what they want. A thief breaking into your house is innocent because he wants to take your belongings to better himself? See your logic fail yet? C'mon man, we are almost there. If you are going to protect your home and belongings from vandalism should we also protect our borders so that our limited resources do not get vandalized...oh see I just threw two big words there, "limited resourced". Yes evidently they will run out, specially if we do not protect them, and the human locust will them move to the next country to pillage.

Your house break in metaphor would work if I owned the US. If someone hasn’t committed a bad crime idgaf if they want a little bit of government assistance starting a family in a new country. The US doesn’t really have limited resources the government just spends money on shit we don’t need. Also comparing innocents who want to find a better life to a locust swarm is quite terrible.

You pay taxes, you own a little of United States. Is YOUR country, not theirs, they already have their own country full of riches and resources. They will do worse to you if you illegally cross their border. Back to taxes, government assistance is paid with YOUR tax money. Open your eyes. Illegals are getting some benefits without paying taxes. Illegals in United States is like slavery, they work without paying taxes under the table BUT they do not have rights to minimum wage and all the benefits that come from paying taxes. So who really benefits from illegal immigration? Those people exploiting the illegal immigrants so that they can have cheap labor. Same people who puts politicians in power. So, you support illegal immigration then you support slavery and corruption. If illegals had rights to minimum wage and pay taxes it will be VERY difficult for them to compete with residents for jobs which will reduce the number of illegals wanting to move here. Maybe that is why you are defending them so much, you probably have a bunch of illegals working for you under the table, saving some money with that slave labor, having them sell drugs for you, prostituting their wife and daughters to make YOU that money. There goes your morals! Only solution is help them where they are at in their country. Let me echo it some more.