Who do you guys think are some of the best and worst military leaders of all time?

Greatest:
1. Napoleon Bonaparte
2. Alexander the Great
3. Genghis Khan
4. Helmuth von Moltke
5. Robert Clive
6. Horatio Nelson + The 1st Duke of Wellington
7. George Washington
8. Ulysses S. Grant
9. Robert E. Lee
10. Bernard L. Montgomery + Erwin Rommel

Worst:
1. Douglas Haig
2. Czar Nicholas II of Russia
3. George B. McClellan
4. Erwin Rommel (Again)
5. Hitler

Hitler wasn't really all that terrible of a military leader

hitler cared more about killing jews then winning the war.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jMqQBLZwRIE

Huh, I already liked this video

And yeah that's true. He used them as slave labor to a certain extent (it wasn't near as efficient as paid labor so that's interesting too).

I would say though, that just because his top priority was killing the Jews, gypsies, etc., he still wanted to win the war.

So yeah, that's a good point, and he definitely wasn't one of the greatest military leaders of all time, but he's definitely not as bad (militarily, he was morally terrible) as a lot of people are led to believe.

definitely, what probably hurt him as well is that he fired his good generals because they didn’t support his cause fully, and replaced them with average to bad ones but that knelt down to him.

it’s scary to think what would’ve happened if hitler tried as hard to win the war, as he did committing genocide...

I oughta look into that, but it seems in his character to do so

True that

i mean, i’m a history nerd as well but not on this subject.

What subject then?

i’m real into viking and like Scandinavian history and all that jazz. particular their mythology and Gods.

Well, it is a religion, not a mythology :)

thankyou for the correction

Oh that's cool. My brother's more into the mythology kind of stuff I think

Most of my history knowledge is late 18th century onward, particularly around ww2 and the decade leading up to it

i know most of my history facts from my dad because he’s a history nerd, so that might not be 100% accurate but i’ll pretend as if i know what i’m talking abt lol.

Yeah, I hear a lot of history comments, I usually go and look to see how true they are and whatnot. Learned a lot that way.

But a very bad strategist. He could've knocked out the USSR if he hadn't gone for the oil fields

Could he though? Tanks and planes need oil to run. Germany's biggest problem in the war was a lack of oil, that's why they had to rely so heavily on horses. It's why they lost air superiority, and it's why so many of their heavy tanks were left abandoned. They ran out of oil.
Had they devoted more to capturing the oil fields like Hitler wanted, they would've had the oil to keep the Luftwaffe in the air and to keep their tanks running.

But he didn't devote more, and had he, he wouldn't have had enough strength to destroy the USSR, and would probably be expelled from the oil fields quickly

He made the mistake of listening to his generals
He didn't destroy the USSR anyway, so how would having oil hurt his chances? The Germans could have then better utilized their tanks and aircraft

But he still made the mistake of listening to his generals. He was still responsible for that blunder

True I guess

Greatest
1.Napoleon
2.Yi Sun-sin
3.Hermut von Moltke (The one from Bismarckian Prussia, not WW1 German general)
4.Frederick the great
5.Peter the great
6.Robert Lee
7.Oda Nobunaga

Crappiest
1.George Mclellan
2.Tsar Nicholas II
3.Tsar Peter III

Greatest:
1. Napoleon (obviously)
2. George Washington
3. Patton
4. Grant
5. MacArthur
6. Eisenhower

I don't know so much about worst, but...
Lee is WAY overhyped (for example, ordering Picket's charge, when the south already doesn't have the manpower to waste)
Montgomery is dumb (operation Market Garden)
German WW2 generals didn't understand tanks need oil to go vroom vroom, else they would've agreed with Hitler to focus on the Caucasus instead of Moscow. Otherwise they were really great tactically.

Hm. I would go with Alexander the Great and Hannibal as the greatest. And probably Mark Milley as worst.

Only good military leader I know is some guy named Hannibal that laid siege to Rome and the only bad military leader I know is this guy

1 My boi Napoleon
2 Genghis Khan
3. Alexander the Great

Pretty bad leaders:

-HITLER THAG SON OF A BI-

Apparently the best general of the US history was this dude that was in charge of the Union in the Civil war

General Grant

How About King Charles XII Of Sweden? Where Does He Rank?

"Charles XII of Sweden was the king of Sweden from 1697 to 1718. He was the second child and the first son of Charles XI of Sweden and Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark. Charles XII spent his childhood amidst luxury. As a child, he was a keen observer of the political and military matters of his kingdom, while preparing to rule the kingdom someday. His father passed away in 1697. Hence, Charles XII inherited the throne of Sweden. He was 15 years old when he took charge after a 7-month rule by a caretaker government. In 1700, he faced his first big challenge as a king when Sweden was attacked by three neighborhood kingdoms, who wished to take advantage of a weakened country and a young and inexperienced king. The war that resulted was known as the Great Northern War. However, Charles exhibited great military prowess and emerged victorious in several battles despite his forces being severely outnumbered. He, however, ended up losing his life while fighting in Norway in 1718. He was hailed by the historians as a great military commander and an able politician."

Best: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/liechtensteins-army.html

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They out-Swissed the Swiss