President Pandemic Rides Again!

Democrats are also pushing to end lives of Americans... some before they're even born. So, really, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of scenario you're pushing here.

If you use a condom or birth control of any kind, you are only marginally different from people who take the Morning After Pill, or have an abortion in the first trimester. If birth control is easily available, abortions go down. Yet many of the same people who allow people to die from Covid-19 are also anti-Free Birth Control. But, I must say that diverting people's attention to another issue that divides people pretty consistently, is a strong debate move.

Let me ask you this, if letting, no abetting, in the spread of Covid-19. has proven to drive moderates away from the GOP, and produce gains for the Democratic Party, why do President Pandemic and his proteges continue to do it? Keeping people in turmoil so that you are the only one on steady footing is called "splitting." President Pandemic has used this method to his advantage for years. But, what advantage does he get from producing lower levels of support for his party from non-extremists? He doesn't. The one person who gains from our national disunity is Vladimir Putin. President Pandemic is willing to sacrifice the 2022 elections, which will swing to the Democratic Party if the pandemic in Red States continues on course, to serve the interests of his Russian ally and to line his pockets with PAC money, which he is free to spend as if it was his own.

To be clear... I don't have a problem with abortions; if people want to kill their progeny, that's on them. The main except I take to abortion is that it seems to be used more and more as alternative to contraception. The difference between the two is that one actively prevents sperm from meeting egg (#Notall[of the time]) and the other destroys an organism that will become a human if left alone.

Trump was responsible for the vaccine -- he made a big ol' deal about it getting done quicker and mass produced better than any other vaccine, remember?; back when Biden, Harris and all the others were railing against it? -- and he is still actively advocating for people to get it... as is his family. I'm not sure where this "President Pandemic" moniker is coming from. You seem to be confusing Trump with Rand Paul who says he's not getting the vaccine because he's already been infected and now has immunity. If not then, I'm not sure how you're rationalizing it.

Your statistical analysis also seems skewed. I'm interested to know where you're reading that moderates are drifting left... information I'm unaware of is information I need. Let me know if you aren't shy about clicking on stuff and I'll post links to several sources that cite the opposite... though it's fairly simple to look up sites like Realclearpolitics and Pewresearch.

We can certainly agree that division in America benefits every other nation besides America and its allies though! This makes the focus on the stupid quibbles that America seems inundated with recently all the more disheartening. People don't seem to understand that this is, quite literally, degrading America... or maybe they just don't care?

I don't recall one Biden-Harris rally against the vaccine. As I do in such cases, I went to a conservative news outlet. The Washington Examiner had a story a year ago in which Biden, speaking for himself and Harris, said he trusted the researchers developing the vaccine. He said they trusted science. But, given Trump's history of promoting unscientific "treatments and cures," they did not trust him. Pfizer's vaccine was the product of a pair of researchers not associated with any government or political party. They did not work for Pfizer, at first. Their idea was the product of years of research on the human genome. It was a new way of producing a vaccine that would not take years. Put together with fast track review and testing, A private/public success happened and the vaccine was produced in record time.

At the time, the head of research for Pfizer said the money that Trump supplied with his Operation Warp Speed, was not used for the development of their vaccine. That was more of an assertion of ownership than a political statement. Trump was our president. We have only one president at a time. As the chief executive of our government he has the right to take credit for any good the government does while he is in charge. Surely FDA and other government agencies did things while he was in charge to spur along the approval of the vaccine.

The problem is that the Vaccine came along after Trump had mishandled the pandemic and most of the deaths now associated with it had occurred, and he had lost the election. He had already earned the nickname "President Pandemic." Rather than take credit for the vaccine at that time, he continued to rally against the public health measures of masking and social distancing. Let's face it an improved national health relative to COVID-19 happening on Biden's watch undercut his "stolen election," narrative. It was in his personal and political interests to undercut the vaccine efforts of the government, after he left office.

Here's a sample of what I was referring to: https://apnews.com/article/health-election-2020-donald-trump-elections-virus-outbreak-8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf or https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/democrat-biden-warns-against-rushing-out-coronavirus-vaccine-says-trump-cannot-be-trusted-idUSKBN2671NW. If you don't feel like copy/pasting the link(s), a search for the article's title 'Democrats face quandary on vaccine support as election nears' or 'Democrat Biden warns against rushing out coronavirus' (respectively) will bring it up. The first article is from the AP and the second is from Reuters... both fairly left-leaning so you know I'm not just trying to cram a FOX article down your throat.

There are many articles which showcase the flip-flopping of positions from back when the vaccine was "Trump's vaccine" to now that it's "Biden's vaccine".

The unscientific treatment/cure you're referring to is hydroxychloroquine w/azithromycin and was found to be an effective treatment against COVID -- not curing the virus, mind you, but in ameliorating the symptoms; viruses are rarely ever cleared from a person once infected. Here's an article about the test trials: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102549/. A search for the article's title 'Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial' should yield the proper site. The information comes from the US National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health.

Again... the "President Pandemic" moniker is silly; a simple inversion would be more accurate... though that title would now be shared with Biden. Trump did what he could in the face of an unprecedented and world-wide pandemic -- just as Biden is now faced with as various variants from abroad are making their way to the states -- and what he did resulted in a vaccine... the one that he is still advocating for to this day.

I worked in healthcare management on a local and regional level. I have talked to doctors I trust, as well as read the publications. If the treatments you tout were effective, they would have been in widespread use at the height of the pandemic. They were not. They would still be the first treatment of choice. They are not. Trump did not take them when he was in Walter Reed.

As for Biden, he was publicly discussing the best ways to roll out a vaccine you claim he was against. I lived during these times. I was not in a coma. I did not live in a right wing echo chamber. Biden criticized Trump's universally condemned handling of the pandemic. He said over and over again that he did not trust Trump and would not take his word "alone," on anything. But, he said as many times that he trusted the scientists and the science. You have chosen to ignore the last part to maintain your loyalty to a terribly flawed human being and a failed leader.

I never touted anything. I identified what you classified as unscientific and cited the National Institute of Health's trials as evidence that you could be incorrect. The fact that the treatment wasn't overwhelmingly used surely had nothing to do with its mischaracterization in the media or that it was so completely politicized. You're apparently in the medical field (I'm not) so can read the study for yourself to see that I'm not just screwing with you. I have no dog in this fight... I have no intention of using that treatment.

No. The fact of the matter is that some people hated Trump and are giving Biden a pass. Others hate Biden and are giving Trump a pass. The truth is that Trump did what he could at the time, in the face of a novel virus and with, apparently, 80 some odd million Americans saying that everything he did was wrong, tantamount to murder and/or racist. The truth... is that people need to more fully examine what happens in the world that surrounds them and form opinions based on what they would do given the information at hand.

I'm an Independent, by the way... DO NOT assign me as a Democrat/Republican or assume you know who I support just because I disagree with an obviously politically biased opinion you hold. Republicans are bad and I often say as much... it just happens to be that Democrats are currently worse (in my opinion)... and by a wide margin.

It is not "Biden's Vaccine," any more than it is "Trump's Vaccine." Neither of them was in the various labs or Pharmacy company boardrooms. Other people designed and made the first experimental models. Other people risked their companies' capital and futures in committing to product development. Your guy made this all political. Biden has made a point of not taking credit for the vaccine.

Very true... until you got the "your guy" comment.

Biden actually did attempt to take credit: " ... Now, because of all the work we've done, we'll have enough vaccine supply for all adults in America by the end of May." -Biden addressing the press on his administration's COVID response. That's a direct quote from the video of him giving the speech. Interestingly, news media like the AP and CNBC chose a different version of the same from a little later in the speech, "We’re now on track to have enough vaccine supply for every adult in America by the end of May". I hope you see the difference between the two. This is also a fine example of how news media (all news media) is selective in the information they put out... almost to the point of misinformation. I believe you are well informed but also can believe that you did not know this.

I don't blame you for not knowing this, by the way. People who go out of their way to be informed are still subject to the crap that news media splatters all over their publications. I'm not in the medical field... what I do for a living has me paying very close attention to what's been going on all over the US and abroad.