Catholic church

I think it's only a certain group of traditionalist i.e. sedevacantist (SSPX) that reject Vatican 2 and the current papacy. I'm traditional, meaning I attend the Latin Mass but I don't reject everything in V2 or the Pope just certain abuses in the modern Church.

Hi Kate, thank you for your answer. I have also seen critical posts against the Pope in this stream which surprised me. But, I knew something about Traditionalist Catholics and their opposition to the 2nd Vatican Council before joining ImgFlip. I knew they were very small in number so when I saw the trend, I needed to ask.

I think when there is abuse of power among the hierarchy then we have a duty to speak out isn't that what's led to all the current problems in the Church, when people just sweep it under the rug, move priests and bishops around like chess pieces when they should not even be in ministry at all?
I can't speak for every follower of this stream there's 75 and only a small percentage of that actually posts. That's just my opinion. Pope Francis has said and done much to further damage and divide the Church. I still pray for him but I can't support all his policies.

This reminded me of what is going on with the Southern Baptist Convetion... they've elected a President liberal in this theology, but more troubling, he is clearly guilty of plagiarism. And he is yet to be removed. As a Baptist it pains me to see this but I know that eventually Liberalism and pragmatism will eventually creep in as it already had with so many others.

There abuses already in the same, here and there. It has always existed within churches because one or another compromised and gave into their flesh (or moral corruption in the leadership). But enter Liberalism and Pragmatism it will be made all the worse.

And your Pope is doing the same thing with your church.

I noticed he seemed to be saying one thing, but backpeddle saying another with regard mainly with gay marriage. He might also done the same with Abortion if I've heard correctly.

Are you a Protestant, Mudda?

I wanted to join the Baptist Church when I was a jr in hs, but my ma said no, so I stopped going to church althogether.
I did go for awhile a couple of years later because I missed it, but then stopped.

I had also wanted to convert to Judaism since Jesus was Jewish, but that would be quite the process and I didn't pursue it.

Summer of 2000, I abandoned faith. It suddenly seemed illogical, not that logic applied before.
But I will admit to praying when someone takes really ill or something, haha.

Thank you for your answer, Modda. I am actually a Baptist myself. Since you are here on this stream have you ever thought of going back?

Couple weeks after 9/11, there was a march through the neighborhood I was living in then (Arthur Ave, Bx), which ended at the local big Church, Mt Carmel. The Monsignor, another from a nearby Church - Our Lady of Lourdes, a Balkan iman, and a Preacher from a neighborhood Baptist Church took turns speaking.

The Baptist Preacher was the only one that sounded like he wasn't asleep (although the Monsignor that followed tried to punch it up - literally with his fist jabbing - in an obvious attempt and misfire to emulate him), and he got everyone up cheering (I was already standing, near the entrance).
It was amazing, inspiring, and uplifting especially at a time like that.

I considered joining that Church, but as I wasn't a believer and was unfamiliar with the Baptist Church, so felt weird, like I was a tourist there to gawk, and felt it would be disrespectful not being of the faith.

I did bump into him outside some months later and thanked him for that night. He was nice.

A neighbor has invited me to his Church of another denomination, but I haven't gone.

You mean my comment is incorrect or the meme you linked is?

The meme I linked, sorry.

You know I'm basically a former Catholic (to p;ut it nicely) but that meme is still offensive. It's distorting an unfortunate reality that should be addressed as is, not like this.

I find there are plenty of people willing to point fingers and say what's wrong with the church as they preceed to abandon it but very few willing to stay and correct what's wrong and fight for the good parts of it. Not saying you're one of these people you have your reasons but I can't say I've seen you harshly criticize the Church as other former Catholics I've encountered here.

Well I have had said things that could be offensive to people who believe in whatever God[s], but pretty much that's in regards to arrogance or hypocrisy or those who are simply missing the point or bigger picture. I have the bad tendency to go overboard at times, but too late when I return to try to delete what I've said, as it had been seen.

I went through my little antagonistic phase when I abandoned religion back in 2000, but in general, I try to remember that that which we no longer choose to be a part of once DID have value to us, and to pretend it didn't or doesn't is to be a hypocrite and a liar.

I also see value in faith for those who have it, and have an appreciaton for culture and whatever institutions they have built. And Churches like the one pictured look so beautiful too!

I'm with you there, it's the arrogance, and hypocrisy of the Church's members who do the most damage and only drive people farther from us.

I think a person should accept that all religions have human beings as members, you're never going to find a perfect church if you focus on the mistakes of it's members. But if you're there to honor and love God then what why leave?

Churches in the past built with the bare hands of peasants were much more beautiful than today's atrocities. There's an occasional site for sore eyes. The church I'm going to now was founded in the early 1800's so it is quite lovely.

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That's an inaccurate description of traditionalist Catholics. Many unhappy with lithurgic changes of the 2nd Vatican Council there was a recent revival of the traditional Latin Mass under Pope Benedict XVI. Those who see Popes that came after VII as illegitimate are called Sedevacantists.

3 months late but I'm not traditionalist