Do not change who your are and compromise your morals

Very true

Yes, when you call murder respect, murder also sounds very nice, doesn’t it?

Well that doesn't make sense. Want to try again?

And neither did yours.

Everything sounds good when you give it a different name.

Nope. Political correctness is just being respectful. It can be taken too far I suppose, but for the most part I stand by Mr. Gaiman's clever analysis.

Maybe you can give me an example of you giving up your morals to please society?

There you go again with giving something a different name to make it sound better.

Mr. Gaiman’s analysis has to do with making jokes about certain kinds of people. That’s a very small frame of what political correctness is trying to achieve.

Also, if your comment is anything to go by, if all you want is “respect,” you had it already before political correctness. Jokes about certain groups of people isn’t the end of the world.

Politically correct - the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

So don't be Politically correct. A joke is often offensive and funny at the same time. Suck it up and admit you are being disrespectful for a laugh. Many jokes are like that. Own it.

But seriously, the meme specifically says give up your morals. Any idea what that's supposed to mean? I'd guess it has something to do with the OP having to bite their tongue during pride month.

The fact that people get so insulted and defensive over being told they are being disrespectful is one of life's sweet ironies.

So you do agree with me that jokes aren’t the end of the world? Good. Then there’s no need to advocate for political correctness if that’s all you’re worried about. You don’t need to change culture just because you couldn’t take a joke.

“The fact that people get so insulted and defensive over being told they are being disrespectful is one of life's sweet ironies.”

Nope. You’re still attaching a different name to political correctness. It’s not going to work.

You aren't really giving me an example. What's your definition of political correctness.

Political correctness is trying not to offend. You shouldn't be offensive for no reason. It isn't civil, but you can be offensive if you want. South park if totally not PC and funny as hell.

But if you choose to be offensive, don't get but hurt that people get offended.

I mean taking offense that people were offended by your intentionally offensive joke sounds insane.

Tell that to Aunt Jemima. She still can't figure out what she did. Now the actress Ellie Kemper is getting cancelled because she was voted princess of the ball that had (OMG!) only segregated 20 years earlier. What an evil nazi bitch! But nice try conflating pushing back against insane political correctness to 'you just wanta yell racial slurs!!!'

The company that revived Aunt J did it for PR. There were no maybe protests or boycotts to make it happen.

Ellie Kemper Isn't getting cancelled. She had a little controversy, handled it well, and people are moving on. I hadn't even heard of it.

Not conflating anything. Both fall under political correctness. The same way giving up a seat to an older person and saying thank you are both manners. One is obviously a bigger kindness, but they still fall under the label.

Yelling racial slurs is actually probably too severe to be considered not PC. It's like calling assault as battery unkind. It is, but is severely understated.

Clearly you’re just talking about jokes in your comments, so that’s all I’m going to talk about.

You can’t choose who will be or who will not be offended. If somebody gets offended, that’s his fault. Not the person who offended him. You don’t need to change culture just because some groups of people got offended by jokes.

Nothing is offensive for no reason. It’s usually a bad reason, but it isn’t no reason.

You’re telling me to not get offended when somebody else gets offended…. Yeah I kind of already know that. And I’m telling you that I’m not the one at fault when you get offended when I tell you a joke.

See, you keep pretending that I’m the offended one when you’re the one saying that we need to be more respectful about our jokes.

You can't choose who is offended - true. If a gay couple kissing offends you, that's your problem. If someone saying grace at a restaurant offends an atheist, that's their problem. If someone is breast feeding, mind your business.

You don't need to change because people are offended - subjective. If you tell a joke and a ton of people are offended, maybe you should ask yourself if maybe it isn't crossing the line.

Choosing to be or not be politically correct is what it is. If you are telling a dirty joke and realize that a little girl is nearby, you would possibly choose not to tell that joke at that exact moment - because you don't want to offend the child or mother. Is that a compromise of your morals, or just being sensitive to what's going on around you?

If you see a woman driving with her children unbuckled, you would probably choose to say something even though it might cause offense.

If you are willing to compromise your morals due to political correctness, they weren't really strong morals to begin with. My point is, be or don't be politically correct, but use the term properly. It is just trying not to be offensive. There is no direct moral correlation between being or not being politically correct.

Those are 2 examples of many, and yes, Kemper apologized for absolutely nothing, so she may survive. I'm willing to bet there was an on-line campaign to pressure AJ to cancel. Not sure what you mean by revive.

Manners are nowhere near the same as PC run amuck.

I think I meant removed instead of revived.

Maybe I didn't miss my point -> There is probably an online campaign to cancel everyone. There isn't a council of cancel that exists. Somebody tries to cancel and either they make the case and they get enough people to support it or they don't.

Or a company decides to cancel somebody pre-emptively because they don't want the negative press.

“a gay couple kissing offends you, that's your problem.”
Yeah. Exactly.

“If you tell a joke and a ton of people are offended, maybe you should ask yourself if maybe it isn't crossing the line.”
The problem with political correctness here is you’re saying that the mob determines what’s right.

“Choosing to be or not be politically correct is what it is. If you are telling a dirty joke and realize that a little girl is nearby, you would possibly choose not to tell that joke at that exact moment - because you don't want to offend the child or mother. Is that a compromise of your morals, or just being sensitive to what's going on around you?”

That’s exactly what we were doing before you came along telling everyone to be politically correct. Everyone knows what is and isn’t for children. That’s not a matter of offending people. It’s a matter of whether it’s good for the child to hear that or not.

“If you see a woman driving with her children unbuckled, you would probably choose to say something even though it might cause offense.”

Again; that’s not about politics or offensiveness at all. That’s about legitimate safety. Like telling a dirty joke around a child.

“If you are willing to compromise your morals due to political correctness, they weren't really strong morals to begin with.”

“My point is, be or don't be politically correct, but use the term properly. It is just trying not to be offensive.”

Oh, so it isn’t being respectful. Good. We cleared that up.

We already talked about this. You can try not to be offensive, but you will fail miserably almost every time. It’s impossible not to offend people.

the mob says what's right - no, I said maybe you should ask yourself the question. If you conclude that the mob is in the wrong, so be it. But if you were just trying to be funny and a lot of people are hurt by it, then you aren't really achieving your goal. And maybe they are misunderstanding you and its just a misunderstanding.

My point is that the meme saying that PC is about compromising your morals is dumb. That's like saying being polite is compromising your morals. If you choose to be PC to the exclusion of all other logic then sure. But you guys are taking a word and pretending it means so much more than it does. Political correctness isn't a religion or a code of conduct.

This meme is a false dichotomy - you can be politically correct or you can follow your morals.

There's a difference between acknowledging that you might offend someone and considering not caring if you offend people a point of pride.

I absolutely agree that political correctness has gone too far. However, it isn’t necessarily throwing your morals away to please society. However, if your morals are things like regularly using slurs, then yes, you should reconsider your morals. There’s a balance for how “politically correct” we should be.

Upvote