It's not my fault capitalism has dominated the planet.

Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. It is a hierarchical system that places bosses and capitalists at the top, and workers at the bottom.

Communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless society where the workers own the means of production. Pretty sure no communist state has established democracy, or statelessness, or the abolition of class or money.

Facts are not on the side of conservatives. This is why conservatives so pathetically reject mainstream science and news and media and academia. They are regressive reactionaries who want to stick to traditional ways and not liberate people or adjust to altering social changes. I absolutely despise right-wingers.

Why is it a problem that bosses and capitalists are on the top? If you take away the free market then it is the government who is on the top. I would much rather have private citizens at the top because, if nothing else, I can quit that job and go somewhere else OR!! I can start up my own business.

The government is a monopoly. With them at the top I have nowhere to go. I can't just quit my job and go somewhere else because there is nowhere else.

The only way a person can be truly free is if they can own property. If you cannot own property then you entire life is behold to someone else. Someone else owns the land you live on. Someone else owns the house you live in. Someone else owns the car that you drive. You are a slave to that other person or people.

Communism, Socialism, Nazism and Fascism all take ownership of your property and your life away from you.

You say "workers own the means of production" but it never ever works out that way. The central planners (i.e. the government) control the means of production and because they control it they own it. The workers do not control anything nor do they own anything. It is a myth that they own the means of production. Workers are just mindless drones programmed to perform their task everyday for someone else's benefit. If they fail to meet their quota they are eliminated because their life is irrelevant.

What you are advocating is slavery. The people live under the control of the government. There is no freedom because you own nothing. Everything you have in your possession belongs to someone else, including your life. That is why Communism has butchered millions of and millions of people.

Why anyone would want to give over their entire life to someone else is disgusting. You really need to do some serious soul searching and stop promoting slavery. Communism is the most evil political system ever devised by man.

Why is it a problem? Because a handful of people own most of the world's wealth while the rest of us work, often longer than usual, and still suffer for it. We're living under neo-feudalism. Labor produces all of the wealth of the world, in the products that we enjoy. The capitalists sell the products of labor and make a profit while labor earns the wage. So not only are capitalists not a very productive class, the most productive class, the working class, is the worst off.

You basically work for your employer and the government with your surplus labor (labor beyond what produces the value that is returned back to you in compensation). I would argue that capitalists and politicians alike are parasitic of the working class, as they don't produce anything of substance and they dominate the working masses.

You act as though conditions change when you switch jobs when your boss is a capitalist. Conditions may vary and compensation might too, but everywhere you will likely remain a day-laborer, with no say in production or how the business is run, and you are dictated by your boss and the management. This makes it hard to work for yourself as you say, because capitalist society privatizes property and resources, and again, these concentrate into the hands of a privileged wealthy minority.

We can destroy the concept of property and ownership of property and still have privacy to our "personal property", that is, the things we use for ourselves. The rest is commons and the means of production that belong to everyone. This is how the world used to be. Property was not even a concept, and people sustained on mutual aid and shared things and land to get by, until the enclosure acts in Europe, when private military men burned down communal villages and chased the people out to claim it for private property. Does that sound like freedom to you?

Stop acting like communism and fascism are even close. Fascism is strongly anti-communist, and vice versa, and the Nazis literally privatized many government assets. Fascists bow to corporate interests.

Under my proposed system, the workers themselves would carry out expropriation of private property and collectivization of their workplaces. No government would step in to "establish socialism", because the workers can realize this for themselves. The state can only be counterrevolutionary to the working masses. I want anarchy. The abolition of the capitalist system, of private property and wage labor, and of the state.

Is wealth finite?

TV and movies are not reality. Most CEO's work longer hours than anyone else in the company. I remember about 15 years ago hearing about the CEO of a large corporation, Cerner, who sent out a company-wide email on a Saturday complaining that the parking lot wasn't full like during the week. The CEO work every day, no weekends off for several hours past hours past the standard 8 hours.

The presidents of new start up businesses nearly all don't take a salary until the business can afford to pay him and it's usually not much. A lots of CEO's of large corporations forgo a salary with profits are down and some never take a salary. But all you ever hear about are the ones who get the millions or billions. If the stockholders think that CEO can bring in much more than what they pay him then they will pay those large salaries. If the stockholders are correct that means jobs for everyone and many times more jobs.

I'm not a CEO or a business owner of any kind. I'm just an employee who looks beyond the BS and finds the truth.

The number of CEO's who live the lifestyles you see on TV and in movies are far and few between. For the most part they don't exist. Many of them drive inexpensive cars and live in middle class homes. The extravagant people usually are the ones who either collude with government or are the ones who run their businesses into the ground.

You don't hear any of that from liberal and leftist because they need a villain. They paint every rich business owner or CEO as all being carbon copies of each other and they are all driven by greed. That is as far from reality as you can get. CEO's are human beings who put their pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else. They're just more driven than us.

The work that bosses and CEOs mostly do involves supervising and control over the workers. They themselves are not producing wealth like literal producing laborers do.

Of course, like a good little capitalist simp you will talk about CEOs and business owners from the standpoint of petty bourgeois firms and entrepreneurs. You obviously do not pay much attention to what is going on. Ever heard of globalization? How the largest firms based in the United States are trading workers domestically for foreign workers in Latin America or China where the workers there can earn just a pittance (is that not greed to you)? Or maybe destruction of the environment in the pursuit of short-term profit, which many scientists are saying is unsustainable for the planet?

A capitalist is greedy by their nature because they only care about making a profit. In the process, they neglect those they employ, the developing nations they exploit, the communities they impact and so forth. They make profit by exploiting the poverty of the dispossessed.

Um... I think I know what globalization is.

And of course a good little Marxist will bring up the bourgeois. You have to because if you cannot create that false oppressed/oppressor narrative then your whole argument falls apart. Just to let you know I am neither oppressed or an oppressor. Neither are you and neither is any CEO. That is because in Capitalism there is no oppressor and there are no oppressed.

If you don't like they way you are being treated at a company there is absolutely no one who will stop you from leaving. You can quit anytime you want. You don't even ever have to work for someone else ever again. You can start your own business. AND! Just because you think by running your own business you can totally eliminate the oppressor/oppressed scenario from your business and pay everyone the same as what you make. You won't be in business very long but you will have shown us Capitalists how superior your line of irrational reasoning is.

And do you know what else you get to do in a free market (which you absolutely cannot do in Socialism). If, lets say Apple, is making all of their cellphones in China (a Socialist nation) and you do not like the fact that they oppressing their workers then you can simply never by anything made by Apple or anyone else who uses Chinese labor.

In your Socialist utopia, where every worker is oppressed by the government, you have no choice who you can rent from. You rent only what the government produces.

So if a Capitalist is greedy then what do you all the fat-cats who rule over the working class in Socialism? Are all Capitalists greedy? Is greed the problem? Socialism is sold to people using envy. Which is worse, envy or greed?

Socialism is pushed on people by the greediest of the greedy. That want all of your money, all your property and your life. A greedy Capitalist just wants money.

A greedy Corporatist wants money and power by the buying politicians. Be careful not to confuse the two because they are not the same. Not even close. We live in a mostly Corporatist nation. Capitalism is mostly dead and has been for decades.

Capitalism gets all of the blames for Corporatism's evils. Some call Corporatism "Crony Capitalism" but there is nothing Capitalistic about Corporatism. Corporatism is the collusion of government and business. The solution is LESS government and not more government. Socialism is more government. It is total government.

Is wealth finite?

It's plain and simple if you don't own anything then you are beholden to the person who does. It doesn't matter how much privacy they let you have.

Most apartments or houses that are rented do not allow you to paint the walls. It doesn't matter how much you dislike the color of the walls. It doesn't matter if you hire the best painters in the county. Those walls do not belong to you. If you paint them then the landlord might evict you.

If you buy a house you can paint them as often as you want. You can even hire the worst painters in the nation or do it yourself. No one will stop you because you own those walls.

The problem with Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and any other variation of Socialism is that you NEVER have privacy. The Nazis, the USSR, North Korea, China, all of them require you to snitch on your neighbor, friend, family members and spouse. Even Obama tried 3 times to get a snitch on your neighbor program going and that was in addition to the NSA spying he ramped up from Bush's stupid Patriot Act.

The reason is because dictators are all toxic narcissists. They are paranoid that someone might say something negative about them and they are driven to control everyone and everything. They believe it is their obligation.

This is exactly why you must never give any power, let alone all power, to any of those cretins.

Socialism was invented by narcissists and has always been used by narcissists. Marx and Engals were toxic narcissists who built their variation of Socialism on the same corrupt foundation a Socialism. Marx was a misanthropic moron who had absolutely no understanding or care about human behavior. He called African stupid and referred to them a "N" words. He wrote love poetry to Satan. He, like Hitler, was a self-hating Jew who wanted all Jews exterminated. Probably where Hitler got the idea because Hitler was a Marxist. Marx alienated his family and died a penniless, miserable old man.

There has never been a fully Socialist nation that has ever come close to living up to its promises. They have all brought nothing but abject poverty, misery, complete distrust in everyone, death, lack of innovation and in the end the entire system collapses under its own weight. As Margaret Thatcher said, "sooner or later you run out of other people's money".

"Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.” — Hitler, 1930

Stop talking out of your ass and read a book.

So you're a Nazi then. Hitler was at one time a big fan of Mussolini. He emulated Mussolini's Fascism. When he met Mussolini and realized that Mussolini was much smarter than him, Hitler turned against him. What Mussolini did was allow business owners to continue to run the companies they started. The companies were under the control of the government. Private ownership was kind of tricky. Technically the business owners still owned their companies but the companies were under complete control of the government.

The same with the Nazis. So it depends.

In the early days when Africans were brought to the Americas they were brought here as indentured servants. An indentured servant is not "owned" by anyone and in some cases they could work off their indenture. A lot of poor Europeans came to this country and indentured themselves for the cost of passage.

It wasn't until about 1655 when a black slave owner sued in the English court for the right to own a slave. He won that right and changed indenturing of Africans from not being owned by anyone to being owned. But that is just a technicality isn't it. The fact of the matter is that there really wasn't any difference between and indentured African or an African slave.

So Hitler can put forward the idea of private ownership all he wants but in a totalitarian government do you really own what you cannot control?

This is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Like you’re actually serious? Pick up a damn history book. Unbelievable.

I have read history. Pick of a damn economics book. Socialism destroys wealth everywhere and every time it is tried. Read Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, Ludwig Von Mises, Frederich Von Hayak, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, etc.

Is wealth finite?

There is absolutely nothing from preventing you from starting you own business except for the government. The government kills more startups than bad management.

If this was even close to a feudal system there would be absolutely nothing you could do to better your life. And it wasn't businesses that kept you poor in a feudal system, it was the monarchy.

Nothing prevents you from leaving one business and going to another that pays more. Nothing is preventing you from learning and acquiring new marketable skills to increase your salary. The more valuable you are to your employer the more pay you will get and if they still hold you back some one else won't.

YOU are responsible for how much you get paid. If you don't have anything to offer an employer why should they hire you. YOU have to make yourself valuable. Either by college, trade schools, internships, self education or if you're lucky, on the job training.

Just like when you go to a store, you don't just buy whatever. You buy what is valuable to you. All of the other products have some value to them but you don't need them. In an employee situation you have to make yourself valuable to your employer by meeting or exceeding their expectations. If you don't you are no different than the stuff you don't buy in the store.

Don't blame your employer, blame and then fix yourself. Make yourself valuable.

I don’t think living a comfortable life should be determined by how useful I am for capitalism.

I also think you neglect the realities of class conflict. It is in the nature of capitalists to get away with underpaying labor as much as possible to maximize profits (that greed I was talking about). We have seen in more recent years that productivity has steadily increased, but wages kept stagnant. At the same time, the rich have gotten richer (especially during the pandemic, with billionaires adding billions to their billions) and even the middle class is struggling to afford life in the U.S.

Is the Haitian Disney worker making $2/hr responsible for how much they are paid?

And yeah, there’s nothing preventing me from starting a business of my own except market monopolization and already existing privatization. As you mention most startups are destined to fail. Most working people rely on the steady income an employer provides.

By the way, if a worker was compensated the full value of what they produce, it wouldn’t be capitalism anymore. There would be no margin for profit, and capitalists could no longer exist.

Is wealth finite?

If you don't want to live comfortable by your usefulness to Capitalism then you get to live in poverty by your usefulness to Socialism. Unlike Socialists, Capitalists don't cut your food rations or kill you if you are not useful enough. The worst thing a Capitalist can do is fire you. Then you just go to work for someone else or start your own business. You cannot do that in Socialism.

There are no classes in the United States. Despite a century of referring to people as lower, middle and upper class. This nation was not founded on the class system. It opposed it. England was very much class structured. Everyone is created equal.

Yes a Haitian worker is responsible for accepting such low pay. Everyone in a free nation is responsible for their own pay.

What is the "full value" of what you produce? You certainly aren't going to get any value of what you produce in Socialism because you do not own your labor. You own nothing. You have no value and all of you labor is for the benefit of the oligarchs who are controlling your life.

If you accept $2/hr as your pay and you only have a skill level that is worth $2/hr then you are getting the full value of your labor because that is what you are selling your labor for. That is exactly what Capitalism is. Capitalism is the exchange of goods and/or services. If you work for someone else then you are exchanging your labor for your paycheck. Your employer is exchanging money for the labor you provide them. It is a fair trade as long as both parties accept the terms of the trade. If you accept the terms of the trade and then complain that the pay is too low then it is not your employers fault, it is entirely your fault. You should have never accepted the terms of employment.

You can always buy a piece of land and become a farmer. Then the full value of your labor is what you produce to eat. Or do you think so much of yourself that your labor is worth more than the food you produce? I think you are confusing the worth of a human being with the worth of the labor of a human being. They are NOT the same thing. The worth of a human being is priceless, the worth of labor is variable depending on attitude, work ethic, intellect and skill level.

Is wealth finite?

Fascism is just Mussolini's version of Socialism, nothing more and nothing less. It comes from the Latin fasci which means a sticks. It is represented by sticks bundled into a collective with a war axe.

I know you don't want to believe that but that is the most accurate definition of Fascism out there. The only thing anti-communist about it is Stalin didn't like what Mussolini was doing to Socialism. Stalin called Mussolini a right winger as an insult.

Under your system you will not get anarchy. Anarchy doesn't last long before a toxic narcissist from outside or from within your group takes control.

There are very few attempts at anarcho-communist communes that have lasted. However, as long as you leave me out then I will say, go for it. Don't force anyone into your commune and let people leave by their own freewill. And never, never, never try to impose this on a nation or people. If you do all that then have fun. I wish you luck.

If you impose that on me our anyone else you're gonna have a fight and you won't win.