Civil War Debate

The confederacy was a dumb group of anti-American traitors. Most didn't own slaves but fought like hell for the rich plantation owners that did.

The CSA had the highest desertion rates in US military history so they can't even say that their troops fought like hell for them.

So you're saying the CSA had it's own military. How is that not a country?
Go to school.

If you can't answer that question yourself, you've lost the right to lecture anyone about history ever. Seriously? You can't think of one counterexample to the assertion that any muppet with an army gets to be recognized as a country?

Unrecognized state.

Actually the CSA was recognized by London England (who provided the paper for Confederate Currency), and Paris France (who minted some Confederate Coins). They were ready to trade using that form of money.
Go to school.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Nope.

The UK was willing to support the Confederacy as a trading partner but you'll notice that that didn't last through to the end of the war. That's not recognition. That's not even close. The CSA was an unrecognized state.

The probably just wanted to keep getting all that slave labor cotton for their fabric mills in Manchester or wherever.

Yes. The UK would have been forced to import cotton from Ottoman Turkey instead and they were not ready to make that trade deal. That said, public opinion was VERY sour that their government was supporting the side of the war that was practicing slavery which was already illegal in Britain since 1848, and the UK parliament went out of its way to spin it so that it wasn't about slavery - which they could no longer do when the Emancipation Proclamation was issued.

What you're describing is called "beligerent status". Not state recognition.

The USA, which declared Independence in 1776, wasn't "recognized" until 1778. Your argument is invalid.

....yyyyyyyes, and they gained recognition in the Treaty of Paris. It was actually a pretty important part of the treaty. It was their reward for, you know, winning. Which, notedly, the CSA never did.

I don't know what you think you've proven but it wasn't what you wanted proven.

I proved Robert E Lee was not a traitor.

So before there was a CSA the "south" was not the USA? Hard fail.

Yes he was. Beligerent status.

Win or lose, the country will be called "belligerent" during the time of secession. Once again, the US was "belligerent" before it was recognized.
Go to school.

Also, President Jefferson Davis was not tried for Treason, because he did not attempt to overthrow the Union Government. Secession was a right.

That's because Andrew Johnson pardoned him before there WAS a trial!!!!!!!! I know y'all like your presidential pardons but PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GUILTY DO NOT NEED A PARDON.

So we've gone from "Robert E Lee was not a traitor to his country", to the definition of "Belligerent Status", to Jefferson Davis being pardoned, (because the accusations of treason would not stick).
You're constantly moving the goal posts, whenever I prove you wrong.
You're a walking logical fallacy.

"PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GUILTY DO NOT NEED A PARDON." (Capitalization courtesy of you.)

It depends upon how you word it. One very famous presidential pardon goes like this "Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."

Notice the inclusion of "may have committed", meaning that Ford doesn't know if Nixon did anything or not and, in accepting the pardon, Nixon was not admitting that he had done anything wrong.

Not a country. Basically an insurrectionist group. Is it really news to you that our Founding Fathers were looking at treason charges had they lost? Like the Confederates did?

I never said the South didn't win the war.
I said Robert E Lee was not a traitor to the Confederate States Of America, or President Jefferson Davis.
You're such an idiot, the next thing you know, you'll say that The Emperor of Japan committed Treason against his country because they surrendered in 1945.
Go to school.
(Or suck on your baby bottle for comfort.)

What imbecile would ever claim Lee went against the Confederacy? Moot point that the CSA was formed. It was the USA before that. Lame meme.

JeffreyRyan: "What imbecile would ever claim Lee went against the Confederacy? Moot point that the CSA was formed. It was the USA before that. Lame meme."

The USA were the British Colonies before that.
Lame argument.

The liberals run the schools and print the books.