Philosoraptor

My Irish friend says the Irish don't care.

not really XD

Irish people didn't used to be considered white.

So, yes.

No, whites are constantly culturally appropriated, and could care less.

This is about Irish Catholics and St Patty's

What could be offensive about celebrating a holiday?

This meme is playing on the "Everyone is Irish on St Patrick's Day" that everyone says.
Well, at least in NY where there's many Irish and the holiday is a pretty big one to some degree or another starting with the parade n all.

Maybe it originated from that religion, but if your gonna go part of the way to stop non Catholics from celebrating St. Patricks Day, go the full route and stop non Native Americans or non whites from celebrating Thanksgiving, stop non Catholics from celebrating Christmas, stop non Native Americans from celebrating Halloween, stop non Mexicans from celebrating Cinco de Mayo, it'd just be too much work to make people less happy

I live in thre Bronx, so never seen it an issue round here. In fact commentators during the Parade broadcast always keep saying how everyone is Irish on the day..

read the full comment, it wasn't meant to insult you

St. PADDIES day

St Patty's Day.

Daflip you think, we're talking S&M? Plural paddy wacks?

Non-pagan people celebrating Halloween, putting trees inside their homes for Christmas, hiding eggs for Easter: Cultural appropriation?

Were those things borrowed from Pagan culture or are they a continuance of Pagan culture?

"Borrowed" might not be the right word here... The nicest way to phrase it is probably: The pagan customs were integrated into the then new christian belief so the pagans could continue more or less as before while technically having been converted over.

So the pagans continued their traditions while incorporating Christianity into their culture? Europeans becoming Christian: Middle Eastern cultural appropriation?

Well... Pagan culture got destroyed pretty heavily later. The traditions they were allowed to keep were just the first "fix", if you will. A christian would probably tell the story differently but from what I read it seems like they offered the pagans gifts to convert (like putting the christmas celebration pretty much at the winter solstice but also more material gifts). And once some of the pagans had converted (because to them it was basically just an additional promise of an afterlife for not much effort) christians got more and more upset that so many concerters didn't really take it serious and kept praying to their old gods in addition to the new one and consequently started destroying pagan places of worship (just see the story of Boniface chopping down the Donar oak for example) and getting more and more aggressive.
Also, I wouldn't really say the Europeans incorporated the new middle eastern religion into their culture - especially not in a cultural appropriation sort of way - because they didn't seek out this new religion, it was brought to them - and with increasing force. At first it might have been like "oh look, a new exciting story to tell each other around the fire", turning into a "have you heard? the neighbors are now going to that new church thing", then into "the clan south of here is now saying we should convert as well", to "we are now surrounded left and right by those christians and they're destroying our sacred sights", and in the end it was mostly "either we convert too or someone's gonna just take away what's ours". It's quite a depressing story if you read it from a pagan's perspective...

"It's quite a depressing story if you read it from a pagan's perspective"

Fortunately history is written by the winners so I will not be forced to experience such melancholy.

My family and I remain pagan, as do many in Scandinavia. And new temples and holy groves are being raised in the mother lands. So we're smiling :)

Nice, my family came to the US from Finland. I would like to visit, but the language is difficult.

Awesome :)

😅 true...

I read some wikipedia articles (I know wikipedia 🙄, but hey it's free) and I have to admit you were right. Not the same thing as cultural appropriation. But in my defense I was just lightly trolling you because you answered my question with a question.

Yes, we have had much appropriated from us, but on the other hand, we aren't big on whining.

True. Neither are the Irish. 😅

I agree, it could be cultural appropriation, but if it's a day where everyone's happier, let the martians celebrate it too!

I was merely reminding people of a few origins of customs that most tend to forget. 🤷 I, personally, don't have a culture anyone could appropriate so I don't really care who celebrates what. The only thing I don't like is when people don't know what they're doing or why. 😉

Maybe?

Sure, you could be "stealing something from another culture", or you could be celebrating along with them. Do you see what I'm getting at? Though if it's halloween, dress up as a vampire instead of a different culture because that'd be straight up racist.

Yea
It’s kinda a fusion of both
Especially since we take it as a big joke nowadays

Yeah, though I don't agree with "stopping people from celebrating it"

Mhm

cultural appropriation would be a dominant culture taking meaningful parts of another culture, claiming it as their own, and drowning out the culture they took it from. so don't just use it as an excuse to get drunk

So I should wait until Cesar Chavez day to get drunk?

why wait for a holiday

That's what covid has taught me

Lol

Look man, I just celebrate it because everyone else celebrates it, and for some reason even in times of covid, people still insist on pinching me cuz I forgot to wear green. And let's be honest, the only holiday any of us could celebrate if we were worrying about cultural appropriation would be Fourth of July and Thanksgiving. I don't believe people shouldn't be allowed to celebrate something, if one person can celebrate it, everyone can, what's the big deal?

I don't think it is a big deal. Have fun!

Cool, you too!

depends if the Irish care

We don’t

I’m Irish and I don’t care, actually, I think it’s awesome.