It's never been warmer because MAN! Wait, what? Ancient plants under 8/10th mile of ice? Because mankind kills! It's settled.

"and we already know that humanity's out-of-control warming of the planet hugely exceeds the NATURAL rate" LMAO!

Of course these plants are safely encased in a mile of ice, protected from mankind until we melt the whole damn thing.

you raise an interesting point. it is an alarming rate, but how certain are we that it wasn't so alarming back then?

Think about it like this: it is alarming now, and maybe back then, but back ten it probably happened over thousands of years. Now it’s happening in just a couple decades.

The ice from a million years ago is still there. Think about it, I'll wait. The plants from a million years ago when it was warmer are still under ice. A million years later. Think about it, I'll wait.

It will melt eventually... think about it like this: an ice cube as big as a skyscraper still takes forever to melt, even if it was in the Sahara.

Yeah, how'd they get the million year mark? Did they count the ice layers? You can have many layers of ice form in a single year. Did they do radiometric dating? That only gives the age of the pulsar or creation of the earth that formed the radioactive element.
How bout some real science, like "the sun affects the climate more than any human activity".

Nailed it lokiare. I wrote a paper about 5 years ago how the Vostok Ice Cores are not a reliable measure of past CO2 levels. In oil and gas we deal with porosity and permeability of rock within a reservoir. There are no underground lakes of rivers of oil, it's all trapped in pores of the rocks and migrates to the surface through natural fractures (all rock is naturally fractured). The same principles apply to ice, it is porous and permeable. The fallacy of ice core readings is that those cores capture and retain exact samples of the environment over an extended period of time. The composition of the ice layers have various rates of porosity and permeability where various gases escape more easily leaving higher and lower concentrations that were the reality. You also mention the arbitrary counting of ice layers and attribution of dating.
Other issues are that CO2 is seasonally lower in winter months when the sacred samples are said to represent the truth, higher precipitation rates "scrub" CO2 (and dust and other gases) from the atmosphere, etc., etc. We find CO2 in ground water as a natural process of "sequestration" in the water cycle.
Totally in agreement, how bout some real science?

What took millions of years before was achieved in just 40 years.

The ice from a million years ago is still there. Think about it, I'll wait. The plants from a million years ago when it was warmer are still under ice. A million years later. Think about it, I'll wait.

It is funny, those climate change alarmist come in barking very loud but when you ask them "When did climate change started?" they shut their mouth and with their tail between their legs they walk away. That is the key word, try it next time they come arguing climate change with you "when it it all started? 10 years? 200 years? 400 billion years?" they know the answer will destroy them.

🙄*Human caused* climate change

what about it? When did climate change started?

Slowly and naturally? Sense the beginning of earths history. Rapidly and unnaturally? Around the industrial revolution.

Not really, for the 3rd time in this post, there are natural events, like a SINGLE errupting volcano, SINGLE meteor, Tsunami...list goes on can cause more climate chage in a SINGLE day than all humans in a thousand years. Any of those events can happen at any time. Also, what % of climate change is attributed to human actions? And what is alarming people with false information+spreading fear+giving money going to resolve to change what is...normal?

Tsunamis don't cause climate change🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/nasa-knows/what-is-climate-change-k4.html

"What Is Earth's Climate to Change?
Many things can cause climate to change all on its own. Earth's distance from the sun can change. The sun can send out more or less energy. Oceans can change. When a volcano erupts, it can change our climate."

This is what i meant by tsunamis "Oceans can change" oceans can cause climate change retards.

Please go educate yourself.

You seem to have gotten the idea that calling me a retard will help your argument

Well, Glad that you mentioned that Seasons =/= climate change. A lot of your people apparently do not know that and only bring global warming in the summer, then remain dormant during winter. I call you retard because it is shorter than brain washed alarmists, it is but a synonym. You have not made any efforts to read any of the links I provided and just want to argue with me for the sake of arguing. What other word do you want me to use to describe your behavior?

Yes they do. Ever hear of orographic weather? Same thing happens with Tsunamis. LOL at you hahahahah. Whatever.

I can’t take you seriously with your grammar.

It started as soon as the Earth was created, through different forms until the last Ice Age. It's only a natural process, but we as Humans are speeding it up.

Speeding it up yes, but like before we were riding a bike but now there's a rocket engine strapped to the side.

The ice from a million years ago is still there. Think about it, I'll wait. The plants from a million years ago when it was warmer are still under ice. A million years later. Think about it, I'll wait.

100 does not equal a million

No! When did that happen? I'm shocked, shocked I say!!!

would you not agree that a single meteor crash or a single massive volcano erupting can cause more climate change in one day than humans in a millennia? How is that for speed? Which they can all happen at any given time OMG!

Climate changing asteroid impacts are extremely rare. Volcanic eruptions do change the climate, but only for a short amount of time and then it goes back to normal.

How many times has this planet been hit by asteroid genious? "Volcanic eruptions do change the climate, but only for a short amount of time" uhm...I think you need to do some more research on that. Bext question, what % of climate chage in Earth is attributed to human actions?

A few times, most of the big ones are tens of millions of years apart, and didn’t cause the same leve, of climate change

ROFL, you tell that to the people at the Chelyabinsk meteor. But thanks for acknowledging that there are other forces of nature that can cause more climate change than humans in a single day than humanity in thousands of years. Also you are not getting away that easy. What % of climate change is human made?

since 1950 almost 100%

WOW 100%, OMG I am so glad, that means that the Sun, Moon, Earths orbit no longer has nothing to do with climate chage on Earth! I am SOOOO relieved! We are in complete control you'll! Did you learned that from Al Gore? You did not even bother to do your research, you just gave me some bull shit answer. Why not 1000000%?! Sir/ma'm you just won the biggest retard award.

Seasons do not equal climate.

Please stop insulting me

Uh, that would be BS.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans

Talk to the dinosaurs about those impacts, I'll wait.

Were there any recent meteor impacts of that size?

One in 2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
A big one in 1908 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event

What are you talking about? No it can’t.

It's called science, the real stuff, not the politically driven kind.

Who said riding a bike isn't good for the environment?

That's not what I mean. I was talking about speed.

arguably that humans are speeding it up, the evidence is lacking. But climate change is normal and natural to this planet, is nothing new, living organisms adapt to change, those than don't face extinction like many already have. New species will evolved and developed from climate change. Nothing to be alarm with, it is nothing new, it is natural.

The evidence is not lacking one bit. Notice how in Quarantine, while all the Factories and Greenhouses were unoperated, animals and even plants started to return and grow back in their natural habitats? And notice how the Arctic is melting way faster than it's supposed to?

yes it is lacking there are conflicting arguments from scientists that it is human made and what % is actually human made, scientist are not able to get precise information. "Would you not agree that a single meteor crash or a single massive volcano erupting can cause more climate change in one day than humans in a millennia?". Also from my experience talking to you, Tranzor, you are a retard, so go retard somewhere else.

Could not agree any more with this sentence.
Except that last part though. I'm not retarded, I'm just dumb.

Ad hominin fallacy

Ad hominum wrong cliche.

It just means that rather than actually give an argument you just insult the other person. I can't spell and spell check isn't always right.

I mispelled it. Sorry that hurt your feelings? So I don't actually "give an argument"? How about facts. There are plants underneath a million year old layer of ice. How did they get there? Was it warmer when those plants grew? Did mankind overheat the planet forcing plant growth a million years ago? Did mankind destroy the climate a million years ago and force the plants under a million year old layer of ice? If we are rapidly melting the polar ice caps, why is there still a million year old layer of ice?
Here's the reality, climate scientists have been stunned when they have found numerous incidents of catastrophic manmade global warming melting glaciers and ice fields to expose ancient forests, savannahs, grasslands, etc. They claim this is proof mankind is destroying the planet. How in hell did these ancient plants grow then get covered by ice? Why then is it shocking that a natural cycle is occurring so that perhaps plants will grow again in the same places? Is the fact that plants can grow again somewhere where they have grown in the past destruction of the planet?
If you are willing to check out the real science instead of the politically settled science you will find that every science disproves manmade climate change. Ask yourself why every settled science solution to the problem involves confiscatory taxes. Then they say even if we do great and soaring things to save the planet it won't make a difference. We can destroy the planet in a handful of years out of 4 plus billion years of existence, yet changing life as we know it won't "fix" the planet. The "plandemic shutdown" had only been in place for a few months when so called scientist announced that the world was instantly cooling back to a perfect temperature and CO2 levels returned to the proper invariable levels of perfect harmony. What? I thought there was nothing we could do? I thought we had gone past the point of no return.
One million species are supposed to go extinct by 2028, surely we should see several hundred thousand extinctions by now, at least tens of thousands, right? Google extinctions. We lost several species of mites and a couple dozen orchid species in Thailand last time I checked, but wait, they also rediscovered dozens of species that were said to have gone extinct. The world is more complex than climate change allows.

Say what you want. The truth will not change. The science makes sense and is true. I can't see why you oppose this so much.

How did plants get covered by ice a million years ago?

If mankind is overheating the planet, why is there still ice over plants from a million years ago?

The Last generation didn’t owe you one either.

Dont get me started how miserable the last generation screwed us lol

Exactly. Which is why... we shouldn’t screw the next generation

We fixed it so they don't have to

You think we fixed climate change? Laughable. We’re a long way from that.

Show me all the destruction. Give me a list of the million species we've wiped out.

Many of the threatened species:
Polar bears are suffering
Mediterranean Monk seal population has gone down 60%
Coral reefs are endangered due to rising temperatures
Bumblebees are endangered because of rising temperatures that force colonies northward. Keep in mind that bees pollenate 80% of crops, if the bees die, we’ll die.
The rising temperature is disrupting whale populations.
The Asian elephants are impacted by lower rainfall and higher temperatures.
Giraffe population has declined by 40%
Most insects will be drastically impacted by the rising temperatures
Oceanic bird species are threatened by rising sea levels.
Sharks have difficulty hunting and a higher embryo mortality rate due to rising temperatures.
Monarch Butterfly populations in California have fallen by 95%
Great apes of Southeast Asia are very threatened by climate change and deforestation.
Pandas, are you know, insanely endangered.
Snow leopards are impacted by rising temperatures
Green sea turtles are very sensitive to temperature changes at all times of their life.
But what about the animals we’ve caused to become extinct due to climate change?
Golden toads were the first verified species to go extinct due to human-caused climate change.
Bramble cay was the first mammal to go extinct due to climate change.
The white lemuroid possum was thought to be extinct because of climate change,, but a few populations were found.
There aren’t that many species that have died because of climate change, but there are some that are so threatened that that will happen soon.

All of these involve factors other than CO2 and manmade climate change. We couldn't stop a tornado, or a hurricane or a drop of rain. The climate is infinitely more powerful than mankind.
For example, bees are dying from a mite infestation. Some mites are one of the main species said to have gone extinct in the last 2 years.
Animals and insects have migrated north and south for millions of years. I've seen core samples of coal seams that have dragonflies and fern leaves taken from north of the Arctic Circle. Everywhere you find oil wells was once under an ancient ocean. Fossil fuels come from ancient algae and other sea plants that died and settled on ancient sea beds, then were covered by sediments. The fallacy of rising sea levels never being this high is misleading. And if it is an eminent crisis, why did Barrack Obama buy a beach front house? Not to mention others who tell us the sea levels will rise to inundate cities in just a few short years.
Coral reefs don't live forever. Where one coral dies, others emerge. We know this from core samples taken in oceanic research.
The world is hurtling through the most hostile environment that exists, outer space, and yet it has managed to support life for billions of years. Everything mankind has done can't compare. It heals itself from asteroid collisions, volcanos and every other natural phenomenon. It also heals from manmade disasters. The Macondo well blowout that was supposed to decimate the Gulf of Mexico for decades dissipated faster than all the experts declared as natural bacteria and other organisms in the ocean thrived on the discharged oil and eliminated it. Oil seeps from the ocean floor all around the world, and nature takes care of it.
The world is more powerful than mankind.

Rising temperatures aren't as catastrophic as ice ages. Longer growing seasons don't kill wildlife, shorter ones do.

You're right. You don't.

Within weeks global warming stopped they exclaimed. We are supposed to be dominating the environment, creating forever damage, but in weeks the world healed itself. Think about it. I'll wait. How fast is the arctic supposed to melt? Think about it, I'll wait. How did plants get under 1 million years of ice? I'll wait. How do we have million year old ice? I'll wait.

They said it slowed down, they didn't say it stopped.
Scientists say the Arctic will disappear somewhere between 2035-2050. They also say we should have reached this level in ice we have now in 2060.
Plants got under a Million years of Ice because Humans weren't around, or they were but couldn't produce enough carbon to make an impact, at that time.

True, true. The evidence isn’t lacking, but I’ll give you that. You are right that the planet adapts, but humans won’t be here if it continues to move this fast and because of humans.

I also think humans have bigger treats, like dictators, communism wich is the end goal of socialism. That scares me most because lots if retards in United states like cimmunism and worship Che and the Castros.

Climate change will eventually become a bigger threat than anything dictators do.

When? What date?

Right now. You think those fires in Australia were a coincidence?

nope not feeling it right now.

"Our 4.54-billion-year-old planet probably experienced its hottest temperatures in its earliest days, when it was still colliding with other rocky debris (planetesimals) careening around the solar system. The heat of these collisions would have kept Earth molten, with top-of-the-atmosphere temperatures upward of 3,600° Fahrenheit.

Even after those first scorching millennia, however, the planet has often been much warmer than it is now. One of the warmest times was during the geologic period known as the Neoproterozoic, between 600 and 800 million years ago. Conditions were also frequently sweltering between 500 million and 250 million years ago. And within the last 100 million years, two major heat spikes occurred: the Cretaceous Hot Greenhouse (about 92 million years ago), and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (about 56 million years ago)."

N...O...R...M...A...L
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

But, tell me, what are you going to do about the Sun getting brighter and the Moon moving away from our planet? When will this people ever learn.

feel what you want, but in the coming years, disasters WILL occur.

I mean, disasters occur occur all the time, at any time. where are very close to getting hit with a massive meteor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asteroid_close_approaches_to_Earth
Apophis is coming really close any little thing can affect its course....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/28/asteroid-apophis-will-not-hit-earth-least-100-years-nasa-says/

how about the tidal wave in India not long ago, 2004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

Devastating earthquake in Peru was in 2019...
https://temblor.net/earthquake-insights/deep-earthquake-in-peru-is-felt-along-the-length-of-south-america-8710/

They always been happening, nothing is new. They are not gonna stop by throwing money to the government.

Also don’t say the r word

Thank you. I think humans have been adapting to climate change since the begining, they will continue to adapt. Specially now with plans of terraforming other planets. Not worried one bit.

I don’t think we’ll be able to survive, but the planet will. The planet will just no longe r be habitable for humans.

Well, technically everything has an expiration date. Moon is going to leave the planet's orbit, sun is going to get brighter and engulf the planet. Unless we move out and start colonizing other planets all life on earth will end. But even so, even the universe is getting warmer and even the universe has an expiration date. Even the scriptures tells us so, if you are a religious person. Dead is natural, it is coming to us all at one point or another. If you can come to that understanding, maybe you will see things differently. Giving money to government is not gonna solve anything.

If the government uses that money to help save the planet, yes it will. And besides, we want to make the earth a cleaner happier place for us and future generations...which is why we need to abandon nuclear and coal and switch to more renewable resources, such as solar, wind, biomass, and hydro.

that is a lot of what if. You sure have lots of trust in your government. Lets review history and see what their track records is hmmm?

Polar Bears swim for their food, they don't rely on icebergs to survive, and the polar bear population is growing. Facts, not photos and sound bites. Please send your money today to save the polar bears. We make ice cubes every day with your money so they don't have to climb on icebergs.
Just an honest question, do you live in an urban area, or a rural one? Please answer honestly, this is not being snarky.

I guess urban... there’s a lot of nature where I live too.
But the polar bear population is shrinking, because the time they can be out on the ice flow is shrinking.

No, the polar bear population is not decreasing. In fact in Canada and other areas they are having more negative encounters with the bears due to the increased populations. Polar bears don't live on ice flows, think about this as well, most sea ice is frozen for the entirety of the winter months. The bears need open water to hunt prey.
The pictures used to show a bear desperately clinging to a small iceberg are distortions of reality, they don't need ice burgs to survive. A few years back the World Wildlife Foundation ran a fundraiser showing two scientists in white lab coats standing over a dead Panda, with the premise that people were randomly and senselessly killing Pandas, implying that this was going one almost daily. The fact is, they were two Chinese veterinarians who were preparing to do an autopsy on a Panda that died in a zoo in the 1950's. WWF made a fortune off of not telling the truth, the same scenario is happening with polar bears.
Not to be disparaging, but most people who are convinced of man made climate change live in the most densely populated and most intensely industrialized areas of the US. If I looked at Newark, NJ everyday, I could be persuaded to believe that mankind controls climate. I live in a very rural area, near 5 Wilderness areas and have temperature and weather records kept by members of my family for the last 100 years for the area. I took the time and crunched the numbers and there is no evidence of warming. What is revealed is a range that falls within normal variation. What really clued me in (being a descendant of weather geeks) was that as I travel for my occupation I check weather everywhere I go. If we had this widespread generalized warming, we should see it in record high temperatures. Most of the record highs should be fairly recent, with a heavier distribution in more recent years, but most record highs and lows occurred in 1906 and in the 1930s around the time of the Dust Bowl. According to the USDA 50% of the US was still farmed by horse teams in 1950. 1/3 of farm production was required to feed the livestock used to raise the crops. There was one paved highway from coast to coast, US 6. Most global warming happened before 1950.
CO2 numbers are listed as an absolute, 412 ppm. In the Amazon CO2 can be as high as 3000ppm, on the poles as low as 50 ppm. There is no absolute ideal CO2 number, and scientifically it should be listed in a range, in this worldwide example it would be 50-3000ppm. CO2 varies seasonal

seasonally and in many situations daily from natural sources. OSHA doesn't get worried about workers in CO2 enriched spaces until it gets around 10,000 ppm. Plants require a minimum of 300 ppm just to survive, so 412ppm (the most recent number for worldwide destruction) is barely above the minimum to sustain life. Commercial greenhouses inject 2000 ppm CO2 and more to increase food production, CO2 is essential for life, it is not a poison.
The same concept on range applies to temperatures. Polar temperatures can be around 100 below F. Temperatures in areas of the middle east can be in excess of 120 degrees. So what is the "normal" temperature of the earth? What is the average temperature? It can't scientifically be stated as a single number, like 53.4 degrees, it is always expressed in a range, and no climate scientist likes to be asked what is the normal variation in temperature and CO2 levels. A prominent statistician I worked with told me that for accurate climate models to be created, it requires over a trillion data points to take into account orographic weather and other known variables affecting temperature. We don't have the computing power to do it right now. Urban areas also impact temperature with a phenomenon known as a heat island, pavement and buildings impact temperatures so historic data cannot be accurately compared to modern data. These heat islands also create their own orographic weather, a localized weather pattern. Climate is so complex it can't be minimalized to the extent it has been.
One other tidbit, the Mauna Loa Observatory is the world standard for the CO2 level. It is located on the Mauna Loa Volcano--- which emits CO2. CO2 readings increase before volcanic activity and the Observatory noted higher manmade CO2 readings leading up to a significant volcanic event here a few years ago. They never corrected for that.
Another climate change fact, plants can distinguish between man made an natural CO2 and reject manmade CO2. ?? I spent a couple decades doing gas quality measurements on CO2 levels in Natural Gas, so I know all kinds of useless stuff about CO2. 50 ppm more CO2 isn't destroying the climate.