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Now transgender men must be allowed to compete with women. Please explain how this is fair.

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4 ups, 3y,
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No.
3 ups, 3y,
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Channeled peewee there, lol...miss that guy.
K8. M
3 ups, 3y
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Miss him too. And his weird questions. Lol
4 ups, 3y
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Sports are only sporting when the participants are of equal physical and playing ability. Nobody sends, for example, a flyweight boxer up against a heavyweight, or a high school football team against a NFL team. Sending biological men up against women is no different. And I don't care what they do to mutilate themselves, a biological man can never truly be a woman, no matter what he thinks he is.
4 ups, 3y,
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Well, I guess it first of all depends on the sport. I don't think it will matter a lot what gender your opponent is in the world cup chess, and in horse sports men and women are already part of the same competition.

What it comes down to is that that it's a scientific fact that the average woman can hold less oxygen in her blood than the average man, and due to this men can normally hold out longer, and quite often men also have more muscle. This is average, but it is proven to be the case. The split up in sports is based on this. And the sport korfball is even unique as teams are there half male half female, however male players may not block balls thrown by female opponents nor vice versa.

Now it comes down to the science part to see if this is fair, so not about the social part or possible sexism, just the science. That it can only be fair if all competitors have the same advantages and disadvantages coming with their gender. The question is in how far this is the case for a man who became a woman.

From what I know about transsexuality, even spoken to a man who was in the process of becoming a woman, it's more than just dressing in the other sex' clothes or just the removal of a p**is replacing it with a va**na. Actually that operation is (odd as it sounds) the least heavy part of the process. You go to a giant hormonal treatment in order to let nature do as much as possible. These hormones will cause a man to grow boobs like women have, so they are semi-natural. This being said, I only deem it logical (although an expert in this field will have to confirm this) that a man grows weaker physically in the process as well. If that means the man who became a woman comes out physically the same as a woman who always was a woman from the start, and yes if my hypothesis is scientifically correct it would be fair, since the advantages of being a man should technically have been removed.

A similar discussion came with a woman who was a woman but was in hormones almost a man, and who had to take drugs to break that down as it was unfair as other women would need to take doping to be as strong as she was. Seeing as these drugs would weaken her and make her more equal to the other women, it only makes sense these drugs would have the same effect on men.

However what sounds logical and what actually is logical are two different things and sometimes completely unrelated, so I need a real scientist specialized in this field to back my theory up.
K8. M
4 ups, 3y,
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Thanks for your well thought out reply. And I agree. I think they should only be allowed if it's going to be a fair competition. They might have trails before the actual competition to ensure their strength and stamina are comparable to the other contestants.
2 ups, 3y
And that brings me to the question if my hypothesis was ever scientifically investigated. Since we want to get transsexuality out of the taboo, and discrimination I think it's of vital importance that scientists sort this out in order not to make this a problem, and thus allowing transgenders and transsexuals to have a professional sports career just like non-trans-gender people without any discussion.

When the professional sports for women began I don't think they took this possibility in mind, but given were we stand now, we really should look into this. In sports fairplay must always come first, but since sports have become more and more become a podium to object against racism, sexism and other kinds of discrimination, I think we must when it comes to transgenders make sure we can give them the same positions without creating unfair situations for the others. I think that should be possible. Where there's a will there's a way, they say, eh?
3 ups, 3y
No as it undermines the sport. Now I can play on the WNBA and average 20 point score per game
2 ups, 3y,
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Absolutely not. We see in areas where trans "women" are allowed to compete in women's sports that they have been cleaning their cisgender counterparts' clocks.

What's amusing and unsurprising, albeit awful nonetheless, is that pro-trans activists keep on nagging us for conflating biological sex and gender, while doing so themselves. They say that biological sex is something that can't be changed, while gender is a social construct. However, they are still pushing for biological men who "self-identify" as women to be allowed to participate in women's sports. People can argue about the whithertos and whyfors about whether or not biological sex and gender are the same, but either way, it boils down to it being absolutely bonkers to allow biological men to participate in women's sports.
2 ups, 3y,
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Um... did you not read my comment? I EXPLICITLY stated that whether or not gender and biological sex are different, the this fact remains the same: men have an inherit biological advantage regarding athletics over women.
K8. M
3 ups, 3y,
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You said yourself that "one of the main reasons adult/teen sports leagues are divided by gender is because males have more testosterone, giving them an advantage" so if a woman is taking testosterone to become a man and drug enhancers and steriods are usually forbidden in sports is this fair to the other biological males im the sport? Or if a man can claim to be a woman is it fair to allow him to compete with other women since he most likely will have a physical advantage over them?
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3 ups, 3y
Nice one, Kate.
2 ups, 3y
1 up, 3y
Nice
2 ups, 3y,
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So? Just because I use science and logic to prove my point, doesn't mean I'm wrong. You really are desperate to get the better of me, aren't you?
K8. M
2 ups, 3y,
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Transphobia lurks in every nook and corner of conservatives brains, i thought you were aware of this ;)
2 ups, 3y
So does racism, homophobia, and xenophobia ;)
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2 ups, 3y
No. Men, mostly, are taller, bigger, and stronger. So women have less of a chance against men, and the odds are in the man's favor.
1 up, 3y
No there is different leagues for a reason
1 up, 3y
It's not
1 up, 3y
1 up, 3y,
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If you mean like allowing men to compete in women's sports leagues, not really but if you just mean sports mostly women do sure
K8. M
2 ups, 3y,
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Interesting... why not in leagues? What if the person is transgender?
1 up, 3y,
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A trans man or trans woman?
K8. M
1 up, 3y,
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Hmm. Does it matter?
1 up, 3y
somewhat. Today at least, one of the main reasons adult/teen sports leagues are divided by gender is because males have more testosterone, giving them an advantage.
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