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Sounds about right.
7 ups, 4y,
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I wanted to use this meme for a while and could never find a place for it. I agree with you.
5 ups, 4y,
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Yeah. That meme is good lol
It’s annoying when you’re arguing with someone and they make your own point for you and try to crush the idiotic point they gave you. But that’s what a straw man is.
5 ups, 4y,
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Now who can argue with that? Well a progressive liberal, that's who.
4 ups, 4y
Ikr
3 ups, 4y,
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a lib posted that once, it was the most ironic thing I'd ever seen in my entire, short life
2 ups, 4y
Yeah, one used it on me.
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4 ups, 4y,
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4 ups, 4y,
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4 ups, 4y
0 ups, 4y
"not emotional feelings"

i guess "conservatives" in this case doesn't apply to supporters of israel, kenneth copeland fans, trump stans, abortion critics, literally anyone working or following TPUSA, and/or warhawks
3 ups, 4y,
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thats.. the point
3 ups, 4y,
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that is an illogical thing to say. unless you have some proof...
3 ups, 4y,
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and that would be a part to whole fallacy sir
0 ups, 4y,
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What fallacy do you have any proof I have some I would have to do some digging though.
2 ups, 4y,
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I just told you lol. part to whole
0 ups, 4y,
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Yes the fallacy I know exactly what that its soooooo clear.
2 ups, 4y,
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you apparently need it clearer
0 ups, 4y
Just say it or I know there is no fallacy you just want to make me look mad.
2 ups, 4y
part to whole: you assume that because you have seen a fraction of conservatives being illogical, that all conservatives are illogical. part to whole.
1 up, 4y,
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I just realized you prolly have no idea what that is
0 ups, 4y,
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Ya its called sarcasm its a type of comedy no realy what is it.
1 up, 4y,
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and what about your previous comment was sarcasm? I speak that language fluently.
0 ups, 4y
The whole thing there is no fallacy your just tossing that word around.
2 ups, 4y,
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I'm sorry that's how you feel.
0 ups, 4y,
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It's just a fact.
2 ups, 4y
It's not a fact if you don't have proof.
2 ups, 4y,
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Where are the statistics that conservatives don't use logic and facts in their arguments?
0 ups, 4y,
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So far you haven't given an argument so give me one.
1 up, 4y,
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You started the argument go get your own statistics that's not my job.
0 ups, 4y,
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As I said neither of us have stats about why a side is illogical we can find examples but any stats would be political hit pieces.
1 up, 4y,
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I have you as an example.
0 ups, 4y
Yes no argument and only bad roasts you can do better.
1 up, 4y,
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This illogical argument is done most brain cells I've wasted arguing about nothing.
1 up, 4y
which is why he picked an ancient meme to troll on
0 ups, 4y
Seems like you only had three at the start of this.
1 up, 4y,
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Let's do a summary, shall we?
You can here to say conservatives are illogical with no statists or examples.
You were bored and wanted to start a fight.
You proved you are illogical.
0 ups, 4y
There are no stats only examples I have examples you don't.
1 up, 4y,
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I only had to look at your account.
0 ups, 4y
Then you will see I gave actual examples unlike you national news lefties being illogical.
1 up, 4y,
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I can find an example of a leftist being illogical and I wouldn't have to look very far.
0 ups, 4y
I only had to look at national news.
2 ups, 4y,
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You just proved the OP point, thank you.
0 ups, 4y,
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You have given just as many statistics.
1 up, 4y,
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“Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.”

“In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

“You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” (That’s in reference to President Obama.)

"poor kids are just as bright, and just as talented as white kids"

"my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle."

cringe

In 2006, Biden argued that a fence was necessary at the U.S.-Mexico border: "And let me tell you something, folks, people are driving across that border with tons, tons, hear me, tons of everything from byproducts for methamphetamine to cocaine to heroin and it's all coming up through corrupt Mexico."
Library of Congress

"I never had an interest in being a mayor 'cause that's a real job. You have to produce. That's why I was able to be a senator for 36 years."

In 2007, during his presidential bid, Biden said, "I spent last summer going through the Black sections of my town, holding rallies in parks, trying to get Black men to understand it is not unmanly to wear a condom, getting women to understand they can say no, getting people in the position where testing matters. I got tested for AIDS. I know Barack got tested for AIDS."

While discussing his experience working at a pool in his younger days, Biden once said, "And by the way, you know, I'd sit on the stand and it'd get hot. I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun. The kids used to come up and reach into the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and watch the hair come back up again. They'd look at it. So I learned about roaches and I learned about kids jumping on my lap. And I loved kids jumping on my lap."

racism and creep
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I am aware of all of that and it's bad but Trump is worse Biden has just said some racist things Trump has done many racist things.
1 up, 4y,
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those are not racists actions. and the wall is not even relevant, because Biden himself approves of it. coyotes are a problem.

what aid did the black cities ask for?

what civil rights exactly were being put into motion might I ask?
0 ups, 4y
I don't care if Biden approves his action proves otherwise he halted the construction. Immigrants help the economy proof https://www.unidosus.org/issues/immigration/resources/facts

Corona virus aid mainly.

The end of police brutality equal rights we still don't have a law that stops discrimination.
0 ups, 4y,
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I don't give a crap about 'reports', they can say whatever they want about whatever they want. if you study history and economics, it is plain.

no. when there are lockdowns, not only does the economy fail (which y'all blamed on trump) but the immune system weakens because it doesn't have to 'workout' and fight off sickness, and so the virus 'explodes'. did I mention that I had the virus? did I mention that my whole county had it? did I mention that non of them died? did I mention that I know people got labeled as a covid death, that didn't even die?

no. they are not. I know several personally, and calling the whole police force brutal is shameful. without the police, we'd be in a sorry state indeed. they don't even get paid well. their job is 70% self sacrifice and 30% provision.

what are black people not allowed to do that white people are? when has a black person been stoped for exercising his or her rights?
0 ups, 4y
Do you have a source for all this or are you just saying it.
0 ups, 4y,
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in which case that is up to the governors. there is a chain of authority to keep the power out of the wrong hands. to much power in one hand, and it's a problem.
0 ups, 4y
Yes the president has to much power I personally want them to be more ceremonial and democracy to do everything else.
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The civil rights act of 1964?
0 ups, 4y
You can't be this dumb you know what it is.
0 ups, 4y,
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Everyone has the same rights in America, my guy.
0 ups, 4y
How many times do I have to repeat this, under the law.
0 ups, 4y,
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I never said the president has too much power, I said that he doesn't need any more. I do believe that though, and yet people like you make fun of my small government beliefs.
0 ups, 4y
I do think the president has to much power I also believe in small government I think it should be run by the people.
0 ups, 4y,
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Why you're just showing how illogical you are.
0 ups, 4y
To dumb conservatives but people in between will see how I have backed up my arguments and you have not then they might move left.
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So you don't think gay people should be fired because of religious beliefs by churches and you don't think gay or blacks should be fired because they're bad employees?
1 up, 4y
There are to many people getting fired for all of them being bad employees most of the time it's a bad employer.
0 ups, 4y,
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What laws are causing discrimination?
0 ups, 4y
No laws that I can name but in some places you can still be fired for being gay or black.
0 ups, 4y,
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immigrants inflate economy, then it crashes. no they are not good for the economy. and legal immigrants are allowed, but having open borders than anyone can walk through, with anything they want, is a national hazard.

now you're just repeating something you heard off the media. what corona help could he possibly provided might I ask? more mandates? more lockdowns? please.

'police brutality' is not a thing 'brutality' is. anyone can be brutal, whether or not they are law enforcement. attacking the whole police department is not how it works. part to whole fallacy.

black people have the same exact rights white people do. don't give me that crap.
0 ups, 4y
I gave you an economic report if you have another I suggest you share it.

Yes more lockdowns if we don't do another corona will have a big spike and lots of people will die.

Police are specially brutal that's why there is a special term.

Under the law not in practice.
0 ups, 4y,
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Do you want to do this in a meme chat this is kind of getting old? imgflip.com/memechat
0 ups, 4y
No I want everyone to be able to see this.
0 ups, 4y,
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ok then. what has trump "done"?

yes some of those are very creepy slip ups.
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Muslim ban, border wall, Not given aid to mostly black cities, sent feds after the biggest civil rights movement ever to name only a few off the top of my head.
0 ups, 4y,
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are you going to ignore the rest of my message?
0 ups, 4y
I read it do you have a source?
0 ups, 4y,
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right, so why do you think Biden is going to give you that?
0 ups, 4y
He won't remember I don't like Biden.
0 ups, 4y,
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You can't unless you're a religious leader or just a bad employ.
0 ups, 4y
Yes that's why there needs to be a law and I think you might have meant employer.
0 ups, 4y,
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You do realize that's a violation of the first Amendment right?
0 ups, 4y
A very small one for the good of everyone else.
0 ups, 4y,
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I know it's what the civil rights act did.
0 ups, 4y
That's racial not for everyone the ERA includes everyone.
0 ups, 4y,
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a source for what? you seem to have ignored it because you have no possible answer. and quite frankly I am tired of this discussion. bubye
0 ups, 4y
All your claims duh.
0 ups, 4y
And many of those just look like slip ups.
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burden of proof is in fact on you. you calmed that it was a fact that conservatives were illogical. you are further proving our point that libs are illogical
0 ups, 4y
yeah executive orders undoing what trump did. also messing up the farmers (which is what I am) but luckily Biden likes to change his non existent mind over and over again.
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Yes libs are illogical I however am not a lib I'm a leftist.
1 up, 4y,
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if only I were conservative
0 ups, 4y
You follow this stream so I find that hard to believe.
1 up, 4y,
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and would you be so kind as to point out that difference?
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Or maybe the dictionary can tell you.
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Leftists are worse than liberals.
1 up, 4y,
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yes you are too good. you are also confused.
0 ups, 4y
Oh I know exactly what I'm saying.
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no I am not. look it up. conservative has become a blanket term for many similar labels. I agree with most of the people who call themselves conservative, but they are not always conservative. for example: I say the sky is blue. do you agree or disagree?
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No where I am the sky is gray 80% of the time but for real yes without clouds the sky is blue. From the dictionary do you agree with this.

Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion
1 up, 4y,
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So if you're a leftist and agree with the use that liberals are illogical, then why are we arguing?
0 ups, 4y
Because conservatives are more illogical it's that simple.
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incase you haven't noticed, there hasn't been a juris naturalist stream. I agree with most conservatives. it is a similar label.
0 ups, 4y
So you are a conservative if you agree with most of them.
1 up, 4y,
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"if you can not tell me I will assume you don't know" in the words of a leftie
0 ups, 4y
It's as simple as a google search or I could give you a whole article I'm so nice.

https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273
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There is a difference a big difference.
0 ups, 4y,
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cautious about change, yes. religious, yes. political minimalist, yes. that is a very short and inadequate definition. for the political term you need a specialized index.
0 ups, 4y
You mean the alt-right dictionary I am aware of its existence.
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The Environmental Protection Agency?
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Equal Rights Amendment.
0 ups, 4y,
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yeah thanks for stating the obvious.
0 ups, 4y
I have a question for you why is Trump the lesser evil?
0 ups, 4y,
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he and Harris are threatening trump voters with unconstitutional incarceration for one. also Biden is a senile child sniffing creep, and actually racist.
0 ups, 4y
Send me a link of of that. Of course call him a pedo he is creepy but not that far. How is he more racist then Trump? when Trump has stuff like "Mexicans are rapest and thieves" and other stuff like calling coronavirus China virus and kung flue.
0 ups, 4y,
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what is this alt-right dictionary called? cause I didn't know there was such a thing. look into Harvard, or Yale law schools if you like
0 ups, 4y
No I'm just trolling. Google is just fine the definition is very generous.
0 ups, 4y,
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was that supposed to be a description of juris naturalism?
0 ups, 4y
It's the dictionary definition of conservatism. Do you agree with it?
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also because he actually accomplished things during his presidency.
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And Biden won't he's already signed 17 executive orders.
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"To dumb conservatives but people in between will see how I have backed up my arguments and you have not then they might move left." Ok says the guy that can't even formulate a sentence properly.
0 ups, 4y,
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Says the guy that has misspelled at least one word per message.
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Of course, you don't.
0 ups, 4y
There are no doubt people who are sexist and racist but there is little you can do about that outside the law.

Reread what you just said.
0 ups, 4y,
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Really? Show me.
0 ups, 4y
I don't have time to read all the dumb stuff you have said look through it yourself.
0 ups, 4y,
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Of a Nazi?
0 ups, 4y
Not sure I would have to watch some of his other stuff but I don't have enough time for that.
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Would did you think?
0 ups, 4y
I had to do something watching it now.
0 ups, 4y
It's very fearmongery and any clip of the opposition is taken out of context.
0 ups, 4y,
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You can't name one? That's kind of a massive hole in your argument.
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That's because under the law we are equal but not in practice.
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What justice? What the hell are talking about?
0 ups, 4y
Every time that people try to put in place a law that makes discrimination illegal the law is instantly shut down by conservatives.
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Because it's stupid. You just admitted to wanting to get rid of the First Amendment. You're the bigot and the illogical one.
0 ups, 4y
I though the right hated the word bigot. No the 1st amendment is important but people like you tend to use it to cover up disinformation.
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And how would you solve said problem? And in what way are conservatives causing this process?
0 ups, 4y
Yes they are any move for racial justice or any kind of justice for that matter is instantly shot down by conservatives.
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Name one.
0 ups, 4y
easy the ERA.
2 ups, 4y,
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you might save yourself the pain and pick on something else
0 ups, 4y,
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Oh this is not pain I enjoy this making idiots like you mad its like air to me.
1 up, 4y,
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if only those actually happened and were real solid facts not emotional based arguments
1 up, 4y
'your reasoning is not any less circular' tu quoque
0 ups, 4y,
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Like I said there are only examples of how one group is illogical not stats you have not even given examples.
1 up, 4y,
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btw you just proved that most leftists were illogical
0 ups, 4y
You need to give examples or you don't have any. I have given examples you have none.
1 up, 4y,
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you should to try punctuation; it makes you sound more educated. so you can say 'lets eat, grandma' and not 'let's eat grandma'.
0 ups, 4y
You should try capitalization it also makes you look smarter.
1 up, 4y,
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it ain't pain right now, but you picked a fight with the wrong people here
0 ups, 4y,
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No I picked a fight with the right people you still haven't given proof I made my argument wheres yours?
1 up, 4y,
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not how it works bud. I never claimed any fact.
0 ups, 4y
You claimed the fact the anyone left of you is illogical.
1 up, 4y,
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I don't support trump, but he is the lesser evil. what has trump done to the country that makes him a greater evil?
0 ups, 4y
Muslim ban, border wall the coup attempt, striping LGBTQ+ rights, constantly signaling to white supremacists, To name only a few.
1 up, 4y,
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in context, that is illogical to bring up. that is also circular reasoning
0 ups, 4y
Your reasoning is not any less circular.
1 up, 4y,
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I also have to go now. this is a pointless discussion anyway
0 ups, 4y
It's pointless because you won't give any proof or make any real arguments.
1 up, 4y,
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part to whole. you assume that all conservatives are illogical because a few are. I might as well say that conservatives and rightists are quite different right now
0 ups, 4y
Anyone that supports Trump still after the coup is illogical.
1 up, 4y,
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where did I claim that?
0 ups, 4y
At the start and a few times in the middle I suggest you read what you have said.
1 up, 4y,
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not every conservative supports trump. there you go. anyone who supports Biden is illogical.
0 ups, 4y
I don't support Biden he is a lesser evil.
1 up, 4y,
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I would like you to quote me
0 ups, 4y
Here's you saying I'm illogical even though you have no proof

"that is an illogical thing to say. unless you have some proof..."
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our argument is that you have no proof. you called it a fact, now prove it
0 ups, 4y
Oh I see you have none here a decently unbiased report of what happened at Charlottesville.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F2kPRW6ZuA
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I will give proof if you also give proof.
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https://youtu.be/vSGZrpN7ahQ
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Alright, it seems to me you're bored and had nothing else to do but start an argument. Either give some statistics all conservatives are illogical or leave.
0 ups, 4y
There aren't any real stats to why either side is illogical I only have examples of times the right was illogical.
0 ups, 4y,
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"How many times do I have to repeat this, under the law." Then what the heck are you talking about?
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According to the law everyone is equal but in the real world people are treated differently based on their skin color or sexuality.
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There are no doubt people who are sexist and racist but there is little you can do about that outside the law.
0 ups, 4y,
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Then help people and teach them not to be sexist or racist.
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I think you're confused. Conservatives (most) believe that being color blind is what everyone should strive for. IDK where you got the idea conservatives like sexism and racism.
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Being color blind won't work yet for now we need to be anti-racist.
0 ups, 4y,
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Please, enlighten me on what anti-racism is and what's wrong with being color blind.
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Anti-racism is calling out anyone that is being racist, being color blind is just existing and when you see someone being racist just standing there.
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https://youtu.be/TBDfMQ27Asw
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IDK what kind of kool-aid you've been drinking man but suggest you stop. Go watch some Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk or something to get some sense of reality.
0 ups, 4y
Ya no that's literal propaganda.
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Can you name one or not?
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Now or historic?
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Can you name a working example of socialism or not?
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Yes primitive humans.
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You never answered my question.
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I gave you a example of a functioning socialist system that is what you asked.
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I'm a libertarian conservative so it seems to me we're in the same ballpark with both wanting to live how we want to.

How would the "socialist" Indian philosophy apply to our government?

Don't you think that perhaps the "socialism" that the Native Americans could have played a role in their application to never really form a large civilization?

And the Jamestown incident, explain that.
0 ups, 4y
Seems like you know you have been beaten so bye unless you want to come back.
0 ups, 4y
That was just an example it was not the most ideal system I don't like getting stuck on specific societies.

There were huge societies of Native Americans none coast to coast but there were some that went all up and down both coasts.

That was an act of war those happen all the time.
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And what exactly is socialism?
0 ups, 4y
An economic system where money does not exist and everyone trades resources and or labor for other resources and or labor it's basically a better version of primitive societies.
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Historic would be preferred.
0 ups, 4y
Native Americans not only were they socialist they were democratic.
0 ups, 4y
What were you not expecting me to have one?
0 ups, 4y
Heck I have more then one.
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So you want to tell other people how to live.
0 ups, 4y
Live how you want I promise it will be less intrusive then what we have now.
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But by all means, if it's such a good system show me a working socialist country.
0 ups, 4y
Every socialist country had either been crushed or a fascist takes over and ruins everything so I could if we stopped crushing socialist countries.
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IDK you kept being really vague.
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And you aren't you have made a few arguments and all of them have taken me two seconds to debunk.
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So let me get this straight you want everyone to live like Indians? Kind of sounding more like an Anarchist to me than a socialist.
0 ups, 4y
No we should use their basic philosophy and modify it to make it better they had a surprisingly complex system before they got genocided.
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Well, I'm assuming anyone conservative is a racist.
0 ups, 4y
To be a conservative you have to be either racist or ok with racism at this point so yes.
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Oh so it's not socialisms fault it's always someone else's.
0 ups, 4y
Is that the best you could come up with after using everyone's gotcha?

When another country stops them yes when the let a fascist dictator no that's their fault and they need to be aware of that and stop them before it happens.
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But hey you're a leftist and the left believes the truth is subjective so what the hell do statistics and facts mean aways?
0 ups, 4y
Maybe that's what Ben Shebebo thinks leftists believe but no the truth is the truth and according to science I am right I have given you facts you have given nothing.
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Which exactly primitve human society are you referring to?
0 ups, 4y
Pretty much any unless they have some form of early capitalism or feudalism.
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I understand the difference between liberals and leftists.
0 ups, 4y
Ok to be sure can you explain it.
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Everyone knows command economics is horrible and its supporters know very little about how the economy works.
0 ups, 4y
I am not defending command economics I am defending socialism.
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Here's an idea why don't you just buy some property with some like-minded people and practice the anarchist socialist thing you got going on. Sell some produce to pay for the taxes and just live there.
0 ups, 4y
Only make things better for myself that's boring I want normal human interaction without having to take like 5 people a disappear.
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That's Marxism my friend and is impossible to achieve because it goes against human nature.
0 ups, 4y
Marx was arguing for socialism.

How does it go against human nature humans were doing almost this thousands of years ago.
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A liberal is someone who is generally slightly left-leaning believes in the free market, a strong government, equality, free speech, and love their country

A leftists is someone who is very left-leaning, believes in command economics, a totalitarian government, inequality, censorship, and hates their country unless it's how they want it to be and is also illogical, believes that America was founded on racists views, that Western society is evil and anyone outside of their leftists view is a sexist, racist, homophobic, white nationalist extremist.
0 ups, 4y
Oh wow you got a lot wrong.

The liberal definition is correct.

That would be a authoritarian not a leftist the SR was not leftist is was fascist.

It was it was made of imperialisms which is fundamentally xenophobic which leads to racisms, it was also made from a very homophobic and sexist society.

A leftist or how I would describe one would be someone far left that believes that capitalism is a stepping stone towards socialisms and believe in making their country better.
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Not really they prove their point with statistics and facts while you've done nothing but tell me baseless claims.
0 ups, 4y
I have given reports that back up my claims you have made a bunch of arguments with no proof to back it up.
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Name one fact that you have named?
0 ups, 4y
The difference between a liberal and a leftist that Trump lost the election that Biden is the lesser evil that Biden is not a leftist and is closer to a classical conservative.
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You are wrong on so many levels and have been brainwashed by propaganda.
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No I came to this by myself I was once like you I came to that with help from propaganda.
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Marxism and communism have never worked and never will thinking otherwise conveys your intelligence to me and your overabundance of ignorance.
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1 Stop trying to be like Ben Shebebo it makes you look dumber.

That's because every time people have tried it fascist dictators take over and ruin everything so we must be aware of that and not let it happen.
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Give me an example.
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Let me lay it out for you some conservatives can be illogical and so can anyone from any group. But to call all conservatives illogical is an illogical statement that you said just to start a fight.
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Which would make you a troll.
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The base of conservative politics is illogical. There are some logical conservatives but as a whole they aren't.
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Whatever you need to tell yourself troll.
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The rudeness is trolling but what I'm saying is not.
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It kind of is trolling.
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I mean if you believe that people should go back to a time when the average life span was 30yrs of age, you may be retarded.
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I don't want to go back I want to use some of their systems that worked, life expectance didn't really improve for a while for instance in 1776 it was only 36.

I can see you have expanded your vocabulary.
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on the contraire mon ami
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Actually, the life expectancy was 55 on average in 1776.
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I had that wrong my source was 1750 to 1780.
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Perhaps that life expectancy boom was due to capitalism I mean after all that's when capitalism was first coined.
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Capitalism works well for a bit, we are in late stage capitalism. That's the difference socialism has to get on it's feet which can take a while and we have not seen that work mostly because the US keeps destroying every attempts at a different system. Capitalism on the other starts it works for a while on the backs usually on the backs of another group they form an economic under class and tend to stay there.
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Wealth my friend is fluid, not solid.
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If everyone has equal chance under capitalism then why is 86% of wealth in the US owned by white people and I know your gonna say "tHeRe aRe LeSs BlAcK PeOPlE" That's not the case and I have proof.

https://usafacts.org/articles/white-people-own-86-wealth-despite-making-60-population/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-Race&msclkid=7f2e0d8894a41aa5eacd6daa67bd5d23
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What does this have to do with capitalism and socialism? Is that not what we're discussing?
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And life expectancy will rise with more technology and medicine so life expectancy won't change that much.
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And yet you neglect the fact that native Americas "socialists" as you call them had little to no medical, scientific, or technology breakthroughs.
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That was more a culture thing, they valued nature more then Europeans so they did not build huge factories or mine out half a mountain.

I am defending their system not their culture they had a decent system.
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No doubt culture probably had a role but you keep referring to this form of "socialism" as an example which I think is a poor choice because of their little to no development to technology or anything for that matter. Similarly, like in the medieval ages where property rights didn't exist and the main economic type was Mercantilism. The said communal living you're referring to frankly inhibits entrepreneurship because there's no incentive to.
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That's where technology comes in we make robots do the physical labor while humans do whatever they want it will take a while but we are well on the way.
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Perhaps you're libertarian and you just don't know it yet.
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I'm a libertarian socialist according to the political compass test.
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Eh, I don't really trust that thing. Mind if I recommend some stuff?
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Ok what do you have?
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https://fee.org/shows My favorites are Common Sense Soapbox and Out of Frame
https://www.learnliberty.org/
I also have been following a guy by the name of Thomas Sowell who was in fact a Marxist.
I hope you enjoy. I apologize if I insulted you in any way some times get a bit worked up.
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Sorry if I insulted you to.
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If anything that would be a product of capitalism.
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It could but innovation has worked in socialist's country's as much a I hate soviets Russia they innovated mostly militarily but they still made new stuff.
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Yeah at the expense of millions dying and extreme government suppression and they only really innovated the military.
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I hate soviet Russia I said that I am not going to waste any time defending a fascist dictatorship.
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I mean the current health industry is not even capitalism because of the inability of the customers to be able to see prices before they have the surgery/ check-up done.
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It's definitely capitalist its done for profit.
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yeah lol
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"totalitarianist"
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I was trying to say it quickly.
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You to.
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I use to think I was conservative but now I think I'm a classical liberal or moderate libertarian.
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You still seem to have some far right beliefs.
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If my memory does serve me correctly I believe the overwhelming majority of classical liberals were against slavery.
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They were most all real ones are still the problem is classical liberal is used by what I like to call alt-light which is basically the alt-right but less extreme.
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ID see how classical liberals were extremely tolerant and wanted equality of opportunity and believed the main objective of the government was to preserve liberty.
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I agree with a lot of that and if that's what you believe then that's good.
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I believe Washington released all of his slaves and Thomas Jefferson tried multiply times to abolish slavery.
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Those are only the most famous two.
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I'm far from any white nationalist scum.
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That's a good thing.
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I mean if I'm considered "far-right" then I suppose our founding fathers were too.
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Some were slavery supporters and such.
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I believe there's an Out of Frame video about censorship that I agree with the Jojo Rabbit one.
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Link it.
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https://fee.org/shows/video/out-of-frame/this-movie-offends-you-good#player
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Why are none of these YouTube link this is from a site I have never even heard of.
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Woooh you need to slow down mate. First of all robotic technology isn't even close to replacing humans from physical labor. What does this have to do with socialism?
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Like I said it will take a while and we have to let it take a while. Replacing human physical labor with robotic labor has everything to do with socialism people will be able to do fulfilling jobs instead of boring menial jobs.
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I agree with you that healthcare is too expensive but that's partly because they don't compete. Most people I believe can afford a used car, at least to my knowledge.
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With how necessary a car is in the US everyone should be able to afford one.
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Alright, mate that's simply not true, yes our healthcare system is far from perfect and needs to be reworked to a more FREE MARKET style.
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The problem is free market the rich have great health care the poor can barely pay for a car crash.
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Í hate government help billionaires become richer.
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That's good.
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I mean that's why college is so expensive because of government involvement and allowed monopolies.
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Monopolies suck I think we can all get behind that.
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You seem to have a problem with big government and lobbyist mate than you do capitalism itself which are products of big government.
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I hate big government to but unlike you I also hate the government helping billionaires become richer.
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https://fee.org/shows/video/common-sense-soapbox/crushed-by-college-debt-heres-why#player Here this explains it fairly well. (college)
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Then that wouldn't make you a socialist would it?
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Socialism does have not involve a government.
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deregulation and lower tariffs would make cars cheaper.
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Ya I think the main thing that should be pushed for would be democracy in corporations and Medicare for all.
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You mean the oil reserves they use to pay for the "free" healthcare?
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We have other things to replace oil. Norwegian healthcare is thousands of times better then American healthcare.
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helping*
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Ok, it sounds like you're a Marxist, not a socialist.
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That's fair.
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And actually, Norway and the other Scandinavian countries were once far more "socialist" than they are now and are on their way to being a more free market-style economy like the US.
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And it will improve life for a bit then dip down into the mess we have now.
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Ok, some people actually like manual labor I know it's shocking. That sounds just like what you think what the future will look like not socialism.
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We should first go the Norway rout they are doing great for themselves up there I know their capitalist but it's much better then the US.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.
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You can hold that position.
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Agreed, but where you and I differ is that I see the government as the ultimate monopoly.
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I do to.
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People will work in the early stages for food and other stuff like that.
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What???
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If someone hungry and they know how to make food they will make food if that's available.
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Yeah, it's called a garden you can do that right now.
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