Here it is in black and white - all the cool kids are doing it

If you don't like the media, listen to the judge

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/11/13/costantino.et.al.v.wayne.boc.et.al.opinionorder.pdf

If you don't want to read the judge's opinion, read the summary here:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/trump-michigan-election/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2020-11-13T19%3A00%3A03&utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&fbclid=IwAR1t7opH-pXA22m7aWNZYBH-O5MzHqKinjH_cUryhhxwpBP8F_r8IHxQ3_g

And if you don't like CNN: well, tough shit, find another source you do like who will give it to you straight, assuming you are even able to parse real news from fake news.

Any way you slice it, this is a typical defeat for Team Trump

I'm not really denying that Biden has won.

But after four years of democrats initiating spurious never-ending investigations that repeatedly failed to find a smoking gun, if Trump wants to investigate the election there is no justification for trying to stop him.

After four years of claims of interference in the 2016 election, you can't dismiss out of hand deny Trump's reports of tampering in the 2020 election. Require him to prove it, yes, even though we all know that it is politically motivated, like the investigations and claims of election tampering by the Democrats were also politically motivated.

After four years of lies and deception from the media -- not just claims of it, but being caught in the act and forced to issue retractions -- why should I believe anything they say? The Democrats and their media butt-buddies have brought this situation on themselves.

Rob Goldstone re: “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump”

Not Democrat words

Not media words

Words direct from the horse’s mouth of a Trump campaign official

Emails with Donald Trump Jr. and Rob Goldstone re: setting up the meeting with the Russian attorney, to take place with Paul Manafort, the campaign manager himself.

Re: Russiagate, the official party-line defense was: These were Trump campaign officials! No personal knowledge of Trump himself! NO COLLUSION!!

Well, then we get to Ukrainegate where there was smoking-gun evidence of the President’s own direct involvement in pressuring a foreign government to open up an investigation of a political rival (Biden & his son) on the basis of rumor and innuendo.

See attached Transcript from the Zelensky call re: Ukrainegate

If there was nefarious activity by the Bidens (and there wasn’t), it’s a job for the FBI or the Justice Deparment or a special prosecutor. Not a job for Trump and his personal lawyer acting through diplomatic back-channels.

Trump’s proven personal involvement in all this is why Ukrainegate resulted in impeachment while Russiagate did not.

And I don’t think Ukrainegate is going to go away quietly, either. Because so many Trump officials refused to testify under Trump’s orders and documents subject to congressional subpoena were blocked under vast and overbroad assertions of “Executive Privilege.” That all goes away after Trump leaves office.

Giuliani’s final Hail Mary pass was “Hunter Biden’s Laptop,” the October surprise that wasn’t which we should all be VERY interested where it actually came from. (The notion it was actually Hunter Biden’s is laughable)

Why do you think Trump and Giuliani both in particular are trying so desperately hard to reverse the result of the 2020 Election?

They know there’s a there there.

I will post just a few documents here from both Russiagate and Ukrainegate that are... ahem... concerning

No conviction of anything that members of Congress aren't already guilty of = no smoking gun.

The investigations were politically motivated. Trump did not make an overt quid pro quo. Biden did. Both Trump and Zelensky knew what was being said and that it amounted to a quid pro quo, just as those involved in Biden protecting his kid knew what the matter was really about and the Democrats real objectives in investigating the president were political.

The media has been caught, repeatedly, lying and misrepresenting Trump. Which is really stupid, because the man has no trouble sticking his foot in his mouth all on his own. The media is less trustworthy than the politicians themselves.

And thats what people fail to realize :)
We should all know by now that the Medias biased and only telling people what will get them clout and what they want to hear.

Concerning ain't the same as smoking gun evidence. If you looked at a bunch of documents and wore special DNC approved glasses, I'm sure there was evidence that Trump is the antichrist. Otherwise, they were all financial crimes of underlings. There was not enough definitive evidence to link Trump to a crime.

Trump has actually deliberately made it impossible for any investigation to reach a definitive conclusion, due to several things: his political pressure exerted on the Mueller probe, sweeping, unprecedented claims of executive privilege, his unchecked whistleblower retaliation, a hyperpartisan DOJ that largely does his bidding, and the obstruction of Congress aided and abetted by the GOP Senate.

But all those asserted presidential privileges fall away at noon on Jan. 20.

A preview of some of the legal hell that awaits Trump in 2021:

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-trump-faces-lawsuits-and-legal-threats/

Oh, I see. The evidence was there, Trump just made us not see it. Just like the Democrats and media are making not see evidence of and tampering.

You have decided Trump is Satan and Biden is blameless and innocent as a child, despite evidence to the contrary. People might be more willing to listen to you if your views weren't so black and white.

Show us the evidence of widespread voter fraud and we’ll listen.

Emphasis on the “evidence” and the “widespread.” You don’t get to make shit up after the fact because it makes you feel good to pretend Trump wasn’t just rejected by American voters for any number of reasons.

Widespread enough to tip the hundreds of thousands of ballots that Trump would need across multiple states.

Those who have studied the issue for years — and not just over the past several days for partisan purposes — have determined voter fraud happens at a rate of about 1 in a million.

About the rate you’d expect for a harshly-punished federal offense that stands basically no chance of tipping any outcome.

In the meantime, see meme for evidence of one dead person’s ballot that was cast for Trump.

Look man, I'm not defending Trump. I'm saying apply the process equally. The Democrats had a conniption about election tampering, so let's take the steps to make sure the count is legal and correct. When that's done, Biden will likely have won and there will be no asterisk about election fraud. I agree, the right needs to produce actual evidence. We also need to do a recount, because if it was important to count every vote, it's important to make sure the count is correct. Then let the chips fall as they do and leave Trump nowhere to go but out. But anyway, the guys meme was as much about the media as it was about the election. Are you defending them?

The media eh?

Well, we watched CNN most of the time during Election Week. I think CNN did a fantastic job reporting this election, sticking to the facts, making use of their interactive maps, contextualizing reports as they came in, and not calling things too quickly.

They rightly pointed out things like the fact OH counted mail-in ballots first and day-of ballots second meant that an early apparent blue wave gave way to a red wave. (The exact opposite of the progression in PA and several other states.) You'll notice no one on the Democratic side is complaining about possible fraud in OH, even though its massive turn red broke many liberal hearts that night (certainly sent mine racing).

If you paid attention to what the CNN anchors were saying, then nothing that happened over Election Night and the subsequent days was that surprising.

As far as Russiagate, I think media on BOTH SIDES got the issue rather wrong -- the Mueller Probe was focused on Russian election interference, period (which we should all be opposed to regardless of party). Not necessarily going after Trump or his campaign, although the fact there were Russian communications with the campaign meant it was certainly one avenue of the inquiry. However, the Trump campaign angle of it began to consume the narrative on both sides.

The full list of Mueller-indicted persons:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/

Ukrainegate is a whole other kettle of fish. tl;dr, Trump was wrong to pressure his Ukranian counterpart to open up an investigation on the Bidens that he was unwilling or unable to get America's own FBI or Justice Department to look into -- and Democrats and the media were right to call him out.

I don't think Ukrainegate will go away since the Trump Administration went to so many efforts to fail to answer Congressional subpoenas and block key Administration officials from testifying. I hope there is follow-up on this over the coming months for the historical record if nothing else.

On one point we agree, the media on both sides got some things wrong.

The media lies anyways. They just want to fabricate stories to get them on the democratic side. I'm not afraid to admit I'm Republican.

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