It's actually turning blue!

F*** it's turning red again

Yeah, I don't think so.

Wishful thinking.

Well, nevermind.

lmao ez

Oh well

It got really close this year, not nearly as mad at TX as I am with FL

And it’s smack dab in the middle of the same demographic trends affecting both AZ and GA, so that’s encouraging.

TX is a new and huge battleground where ‘Pubs will have to learn to play defense.

"Surely not because they live in a society that tells them it's wrong. Not because they were raised by people who tell them it's wrong. Or have loved ones who tell them it's wrong. Or because they were picked on in school or beat up by bigots. COME ON!"

So what do you propose is done? Do you want conversion therapy to be criminalised? Do you want to stop conversion therapists from doing their job? Do you want to remove the right for homosexual adults to decide for themselves whether or not they want to go through with it? That is just totalitarian, fascist, intolerant and bigoted. COME ON!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Vi9f3i9uojR5/

Description for the video you linked: "Former homosexuals who were successfully cured by conversion therapy are living proof that conversion therapy is a legitimate cure for the sickness that is homosexuality"
Cure mentioned twice. Homosexuality described as a sickness.

Are you looking for credibility beyond the 1950s or are you trying to make a point today?
Even the DSM corrected that matter in 1987.
All of it spiritually directed bigotry.

Criminalising conversion therapy is bigotry.

If something is foisted as a cure it had better be for something that's recognized as an illness. Since the medical and psychiatric community have long ago dismissed homosexuality as anything but normal and healthy why pursue a method of fixing what isn't broken?
Because some holy book says so.
Let's turn the tables. I'm writing a new holy book (by divine inspiration and insight of course) and I'm going to establish conversion therapy to wipe away the sin of heterosexuality. Only test tube babies from now on! Let's "cure" those wretches who like healthy sex!

If you find my practices inhumane and unnecessary I'm going to tell you you're totalitarian, fascist intolerant and bigoted.

When you mix church and State anything goes. The founders knew this. Many need to learn this.

I support separation of church and state, and the right for you to practice a false religion.

I agree and support your right to practice a false religion too.
Perhaps where we don't agree is on how medicine is regulated. To me you have to do your clinical trials and prove efficacy. It's challenging to do all that if what you're proposing is "curing" a healthy individual.

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so remind me again how criminalizing literal torture is bigotry?

Conversion therapy is not torture.

i'm pretty electric shocking is torture, dude.

I'm pretty sure torture is non-consensual, "dude".

why is it a serious sin?

The Bible says so.

so apparently harmful psuedoscience should be legal just because of the bible? hmm, seems you are combining church and state.

Conversion therapy is not harmful. And I am not saying it should be legal just because of the Bible. It should be legal because it does not violate the non-aggression principle. So no, I am not combining church and state. Stop lying.

it's still harmful and even if not torture, very similar at most.

Conversion therapy is not harmful or similar to torture at all.

how does that help them?

Homosexuality is a serious sin, so conversion therapy helps their souls.

so, if not because of the bible, why?

I already said why: it does not violate the non-aggression principle. Why should it be illegal for adults? Do you want to take away the right for homosexual adults to make their own decisions?

would you be hurt if someone electrically shocked you?

Yes, but I think you are missing the point of conversion therapy. Shock therapy is a method used to reverse homosexuality, not to just inflict pain.

but it's absolutely useless, it does nothing. there's no point in harming patients for a reason that doesn't exist.

Conversion therapy is not useless, and nobody is harmed. On the contrary, the patients are helped.

first, i have some problems with the NAP, but it actually does violate it. electric shocking and giving people nausea-inducing drugs definitely violate the NAP.

Participation in conversion therapy is optional, so it really doesn't.

ah yes, so now that someone can go somewhere to have themselves harmed, i don't see why we don't have a place where people can get murdered while we're at it! and maybe a place to get raped too, wouldn't that be cool?

Rape is by definition non-consensual, unlike conversion therapy. And conversion therapy does not involve murder.

i never said it did lol. also i was making a point by showing that by that if someone get murdered with someone saying "kill me" it would be fine.

No it would not, because conversion therapy does not involve murder. And I am against euthanasia.

you're still missing the point.

How so?

ok, you can believe whatever you want to. but i won't change my position.

Glad to see we can agree to disagree. I hope our future debates can be this civil.

i'm not saying conversion therapy is murder, i'm saying it harms. with your logic, any amount of pain can be inflicted on someone as long as it's consensual.

With your logic, going to the hospital causes harm, because some operations can be painful.

going to the hospital is actually necessary, unlike conversion "therapy".

That is not for you to decide.

And I read the Bible just fine.