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People need to be convinced that the first time they hear that mask were not neccesary by WHO, was wrong, and this wasn't solved because repair a HOAX is like cure virus a disease, is more difficult repair the hoax that not spreading it in the first instance.

There are plenty people not believing in face mask because the first message agains't them keep then believe it. It's harder to change a belief than do not create it in first instance.

I include this meme as a part of the social hoax spreading against facemask, even when they are clearly proven to be necessary.
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flat earthers cant be wrong!
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Add more: facemask are not magical solution. Check all measures of goverments like south Korea or Japan.
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I was told there were only 15 cases and when those go away so will the virus- what happened to those 15 cases?
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You were told that by Fauci through Trump. Why not be honest and stop spreading fake news?
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Cite it.
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https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-05-12-dr-anthony-faucis-15-totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/
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There's some issues with this link...

From your website:
First:
"1.) Dr. Fauci says he warned Trump in January that the US was in real trouble but that is not what he said publicly.

In January Dr. Anthony Fauci told Newsmax TV that the United States “did not have to worry”about the coronavirus and that it was“not a major threat.”

This is a cherry picked quote taken largely out of context. The article that your website posts is four months AFTER Fauci said:

"Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things that the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security are doing. But this is not a major threat for the people of the United States. And this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about."

In the context of the quote, he said this in February when cases were less than 100. As far as Americans passing the virus from one to another, there was no immediate threat. Having said that, he DID state that Americans should take the virus seriously and follow the suggestions of the CDC and DHS. Warning the President of the POTENTIAL threat and warning the citizens of the IMMEDIATE threat are two entirely separate things.

Before going on to analyze the rest of this... I guess article... Where does it talk about in here where you said:
"I was told there were only 15 cases and when those go away so will the virus- what happened to those 15 cases?" was "told that by Fauci through Trump. Why not be honest and stop spreading fake news?"

Which point is this? There are 15 that don't directly talk about it.
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The article is about Fauci's false info that Trump was basing his response on. Please keep up.
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Right, I am asking where in this link you provided that it states directly: "You were told that by Fauci through Trump" in response to "I was told there were only 15 cases and when those go away so will the virus."
I reviewed one of the points made by the podcaster to be of "mixed" factuality. Partly true, but also partly false; it's misleading. The devil is in the details. Fauci has been speaking in the contexts of Immediate threat and Potential threat. From what I am gathering, Trump got the two confused.
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Meanwhile... 8.6million cases later... "We're doing great! On the road to recovery!" (55k new cases per day, doubled from July 31st)
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84% to 94% false positives with PCR tests.
https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/10/08/opinion/columnists/topanalysis/covid-pcr-test-prone-to-hatching-false-positives/777791/
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No I haven't heard of those since they all wear masks and are at least 6 feet away from Trump. I have heard of the BLM Antifa riots where they clump up in crowds.
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So, you've been living under a rock? No one started reliably wearing masks until Trump got sick.
BLM ANTIFA riots people for the most part were wearing masks.

Trump
Nevada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEzMSKNxqe8
Mt Rushmore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcmzhqa3iqA
Look at all those bare faces...

BLM Protest
Portland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VSKnYiaPXA
Minneapolis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4
Look at all those masks...

Should I go on?
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You can go on all you want. They are suppressing the biggest mask study on covid right now because it doesn't go with the narrative.
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-danish-newspaper-reveals-largest-study-masks-rejected
The numbers were going down long before people were wearing masks.
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Alright, so I checked out the site, I checked out the author, I checked out the article, I checked the articles sources. There's some problems.

Sources of the article states that results haven't been published. Nor have the methods used been published by the ones claiming to have made the study.

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Another study looked at coronavirus deaths across 198 countries and found that those with cultural norms or government policies favoring mask-wearing had lower death rates.

Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.

Author (checking his podcasts and his other articles) shows extreme heavy bias to the right wing. Nearly to the level of nut-job. I'm surprised he studies law.

I also don't see these studies posed by these Danes anywhere which shows they've been submitted for peer review.
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Care to link any of your sources?
My question is why are they trying to block a study by reputable scientists?
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"Another study looked at coronavirus across 198 countries..."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Association_of_country-wide_coronavirus_mortality_with_demographics_testing_lockdowns_and_public_wearing_of_masks_Update_June_15_2020

"Man flew from China to Toronto..."
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/192/15/E410"

"Two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients..."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/17/masks-salons-missouri/

"A recent study in Health Affairs, for example..."
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

"Author shows extreme heavy bias to right wing..."
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/conservative-review/the-conservative-conscience-with-daniel-horowitz

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Enjoy the reads!
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The issue is the PCR can be up to 94% false positives, so we don't know if it was the masks or not. What we do know is that countries that didn't implement mask mandates also went down in covid cases and deaths at exactly the same rates.
We also know that 85% of people that got covid said they wore masks most or all the time.
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By the by, can you show your sources for those numbers?

Again I want to reinforce that when you have studies that have larger study pools, in the scientific community, those studies take precedence. When a study is done across 184 countries that shows masks are effective, it's pretty hard to argue with that. There would need to be a direct study of causation to counter that study. Which, there currently isn't one that I know of.
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https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/10/08/opinion/columnists/topanalysis/covid-pcr-test-prone-to-hatching-false-positives/777791/

https://drleonardcoldwell.com/2020/09/21/if-the-pcr-test-is-unreliable-why-are-health-officials-demanding-the-public-be-tested/
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This is why the PCR generates false positives
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/06/how-accurate-diagnostic-tests-covid-19

It's not that they're faulty tests, it's a result in the strategy used to test for the virus. Do you want specificity? Or, do you want sensitivity?
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https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/09/01/covid-test-overwhelming-number-of-false-positives/
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It's safer to have false positives rather than false negatives. They're testing with specificity rather than sensitivity which is the safer approach.
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/06/how-accurate-diagnostic-tests-covid-19
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Oh! I forgot as I get muddled up.

Disclaimers on masks clearly state that masks DO NOT PREVENT you from getting COVID. They work to stop the SPREAD of COVID.

So that makes a little more sense.
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They actually say they don't 'protect' against covid. They don't say they protect or stop anything.
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"The image reading "will not provide any protection against COVID-19 (coronavirus)" is real. Most masks, if not all, being sold have some sort of label saying that it will not provide any protection against viruses, but that does not mean masks should not be worn."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-why-a-face-mask-box-says-it-provides-no-protection-to-the-wearer/507-d5070a18-0146-4ef9-9d22-afe9fa7759a0

With the link below you can find 32 sources the CDC uses to cite their information at the bottom of the page which supports the claims made on the page which cites that N95 masks are effective.:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html
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"Yes, if the maker of the mask says it won't protect you, why would you believe that it would?

When this all started there were hundreds of studies on masks that showed they were not effective, then they all disappeared with no explanation."

Because, in spite of the mask not being able to protect you from inhalation, it protects others against your exhalation, coupled with social distancing, it is unlikely that your breath will reach the person you are in proximity to. Try blowing at a candle from 6 feet away. Then do it with a mask on. Repeat the exercise again and notice the difference at 1 foot away from said candle.
It's not about you, it's about others. It's about reducing the spread.
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""The image reading "will not provide any protection against COVID-19 (coronavirus)" is real. Most masks, if not all, being sold have some sort of label saying that it will not provide any protection against viruses, but that does not mean masks should not be worn."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-why-a-face-mask-box-says-it-provides-no-protection-to-the-wearer/507-d5070a18-0146-4ef9-9d22-afe9fa7759a0

With the link below you can find 32 sources the CDC uses to cite their information at the bottom of the page which supports the claims made on the page which cites that N95 masks are effective.:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html

Yes, if the maker of the mask says it won't protect you, why would you believe that it would?

When this all started there were hundreds of studies on masks that showed they were not effective, then they all disappeared with no explanation.
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True, I'll give you that.

However, I'd like to point out to something a fictional Doctor said that holds truth in what he says. (Dr. House) Everybody lies.

Naturally that 85% doesn't necessarily have to be lying, but these mask people may have done any of the following:

- Contracted it from loved ones who weren't wearing masks and didn't show any signs of COVID and received the "less severe" case.
- Didn't use proper handwashing technique
- Caught it when eating at a restaurant when social distancing is implemented and you're permitted to remove masks.
- Caught it from their kids.
- Or just got unlucky and contracted it through masks anyway.

In the links I posted, it also showed that there's a higher virulence when you have a wet cough from COVID as opposed to a dry cough. I'm not sure which one was higher. That being said, medical experts say that when your mask is wet, it captures the micro-droplets from your cough more effectively than when it is dry. Which, from a common sense standpoint, makes sense.

Having said all that.

If there is evidence to -suggest- that mask wearing helps (helps does not mean completely stop) reduce the spread of COVID, I am in favor of that. I recognize that masks aren't 100% effective in reducing the spread, but evidence strongly suggets that they do help.

Condoms, birth control, etc aren't 100% effective at stopping the spread of COVID, but they help. I get it, it's not the same thing. What I'm trying to say is that nothing is 100% effective. With masks, you're breathing. The only way to 100% be effective in this capacity is to have a sealed suit with oxygen supply. But, that isn't realistic.

The question comes down to this:
Which do I value more? Do I want to wear a mask knowing that I potentially could save many lives if I happen to catch COVID without knowing it? Or do I want to refuse to wear one because I don't want to be a sheep and comply with government recommendations?

Do I want to make this about me? Or do I want to think about others?

My Ethics/Philosophy teacher would say that neither is wrong as there is no universal right/wrong. Only what's right/wrong for you.

Me? I value the lives of others moreso than my own interests. All I have to do is simply don a face covering for a few minutes while in the public area.
I don't agree with those who refuse to wear masks on principle or fear of government interfering with your lives, but I understand it. I get where they're coming from.
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The real question is which is more dangerous wearing a mask or not wearing a mask.
We know that it is a violation of OSHA oxygen requirements to wear a mask and do even light activity (such as walking or lifting light objects). We know that wearing a mask improperly can be worse than not wearing one at all. We know that the mask collects viruses and bacteria which you can breath in.
So if the masks stop covid 10% of the time (I'm just pulling a number out of nowhere) and we know that 15% of people get sick by wearing a mask (not necessarily from covid, again just pulling a number out of nowhere), and that 5% of people pass out that wear a mask, then we know that wearing the mask is worse than not wearing it.
I saw some studies that showed wet particles exit regular cloth masks 80% of the time, again that's assuming they are wearing it correctly with a tight seal (almost no one I've seen wear them correctly). If that much particulate matter leave masks they don't protect hardly at all.
I'd like to see some numbers on those, but all the mask studies for the past 20 years have been scrubbed from the internet.
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"Not Entirely.
How does someone’s age, weight, fitness or underlying health condition affect their ability to wear a mask?
A: Everyone can wear a mask safely, and while it’s not always comfortable, it is important to do so to protect others from the spread of COVID-19. People with underlying respiratory conditions, like severe asthma or COPD, might find it harder to breathe because of the added resistance to flow.

Additionally, people of advanced age or weight do lose lung function and may find it more difficult to breathe with a mask on, but for most, it will not impair oxygenation (oxygen getting into the blood) or ventilation (blowing of carbon dioxide). Health care professionals have worn masks for decades, often uninterrupted for hours, in operating rooms without adverse effects. If you are unsure about your oxygen capacity speak to your health care provider.
https://www.uvmhealth.org/coronavirus/staying-healthy/mask-myths
Now, there are those who may experience anxiety or claustrophobia when wearing a mask, the same way some panic when getting into an elevator or CT scanner. This can be hard to combat, especially when you’re in the middle of it. But there are a few things you can do to try to calm yourself: long, slow breaths may steady you, as will the knowledge that despite how you’re feeling, your lungs are getting exactly what they need.
https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/masks-oxygen-levels
The N95 mask forms a seal and filters 95 percent of particles. If worn for many hours without a break, an N95 mask might potentially affect oxygen levels but likely not to a dangerous extent, especially in people who are healthy.
https://digitalmedic.stanford.edu/myth/myth-face-masks-can-reduce-oxygen-getting-to-the-lungs-and-bloodstream/

You sidestepped the issue. Its an OSHA requirement not to wear a mask during low physical activity. As in a government regulation.
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Not Entirely.
How does someone’s age, weight, fitness or underlying health condition affect their ability to wear a mask?
A: Everyone can wear a mask safely, and while it’s not always comfortable, it is important to do so to protect others from the spread of COVID-19. People with underlying respiratory conditions, like severe asthma or COPD, might find it harder to breathe because of the added resistance to flow.

Additionally, people of advanced age or weight do lose lung function and may find it more difficult to breathe with a mask on, but for most, it will not impair oxygenation (oxygen getting into the blood) or ventilation (blowing of carbon dioxide). Health care professionals have worn masks for decades, often uninterrupted for hours, in operating rooms without adverse effects. If you are unsure about your oxygen capacity speak to your health care provider.
https://www.uvmhealth.org/coronavirus/staying-healthy/mask-myths
Now, there are those who may experience anxiety or claustrophobia when wearing a mask, the same way some panic when getting into an elevator or CT scanner. This can be hard to combat, especially when you’re in the middle of it. But there are a few things you can do to try to calm yourself: long, slow breaths may steady you, as will the knowledge that despite how you’re feeling, your lungs are getting exactly what they need.
https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/masks-oxygen-levels
The N95 mask forms a seal and filters 95 percent of particles. If worn for many hours without a break, an N95 mask might potentially affect oxygen levels but likely not to a dangerous extent, especially in people who are healthy.
https://digitalmedic.stanford.edu/myth/myth-face-masks-can-reduce-oxygen-getting-to-the-lungs-and-bloodstream/
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Give me a little bit while I try to retrack all of those articles...

... In the meantime, I remember reading that the problem was that while yes, their study did reflect what you're talking about, their study was conducted loosely and they were unable to account for what caused the anomaly.

Possible reasons...?

When you make a study, yes you can say "Hey, we found this out." But you also have to say "This is why this happened, these are the variables that caused this result." If also, there are studies to show the opposite of what you're saying, you have to prove why those studies are false or misleading, which they didn't do. If they were to pass all of these short-cuts, we could potentially have another anti-vaxx like crisis on our hands.
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If you haven't read the abstract how do you know they didn't do all that?
All we know right now is that several major journals have refused to peer review and publish it.
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If an early mask mandate would have worked; why are we having a surge after the mask mandate.