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Many Americans idolize themselves or a possession or a person they like.

Not many of them believe that they are omnipotent and capable of miracles and hearing the thoughts of every living human being though, just saying.

Notice i didn’t say anything to imply that... just saying

The comparison you are making is between idolization of a god and idolization of the self as a substitute, no?

Whether or not we idolize something does not determine whether or not they’re powerful tho. God has His powers whether or not we worship Him or not. And if a car is an idol, it doesn’t have power.

"God has His powers whether or not we worship Him or not. And if a car is an idol, it doesn’t have power."

what i'm saying is self-idolization doesn't give us power. Idolization isn't the source of power, otherwise everyone would just worship themselves. & i referred 2 the car b/c u & i can both agree that it's ridiculous.

Everybody does worship themselves, hence why our Gods always bear an uncanny resemblance to us and curiously are wonderfully fitted to our needs and wants.

That is very dangerous.

What Vagabond said.

I'll say this & no more: that entire idea of God is based on false teaching & misinterpretation. God is not here 2 feed our wants or needs & nvr said that. He can provide, but it's not carved in granite.

"I do JOY: Jesus, Others, & then Yourself. In Christianity, we are taught that we are good enough for God, though Christians may not understand this for a long time, or at least struggle to. I certainly do.
Also, a guy who evangelized said that he always asks ppl that want 2 b transgender “When were you ever not good enough?” & has always gotten an answer 2 that question. A lot of denial that ppl live in is b/c of the first person u described.

The second has more “power” but that “power” has a totally different connotation there. I’ve been thru both those stages of thought thruout life, & i don’t recall losing or gaining abilities in doing that."

Putting your beliefs first is about you though...if Jesus lived, he died 2000 years ago.

Surely to be able to care for others, you must care for yourself first.
If you don't take care of yourself, you're not gonna have anything to give.

Okay, compare two people: one has low-self-esteem, hates themselves, has no confidence that despite their skills, they will ever really achieve anything. They are so convinced of their own inadequacy that they subconsciously sabotage situations that are working out for them.

Second person, doesn't have a huge skillset or many qualifications but idolizes themselves so much, is so full of confidence and self-belief that they take the risks necessary for development. They assume that things will work out for them and so they pay attention to opportunities and chase them because they believe they deserve them.

Which of those people has more power?

"otherwise everyone would just worship themselves."

What do you think of people worshipping themselves?

Who is more important to you than you?

When people don't worship themselves it typically seems that it's because another person has convinced them to worship something outside of themselves, or because for capitalism to work, it requires our discontent. Society sends a consistent message via marketing that what you have is not good enough, that you are not good enough. You are lacking and only they can satisfy you. What could they sell to someone who was content with themselves and what they had?

I do JOY: Jesus, Others, & then Yourself. In Christianity, we are taught that we are good enough for God, though Christians may not understand this for a long time, or at least struggle to. I certainly do.
Also, a guy who evangelized said that he always asks ppl that want 2 b transgender “When were you ever not good enough?” & has always gotten an answer 2 that question. A lot of denial that ppl live in is b/c of the first person u described.

The second has more “power” but that “power” has a totally different connotation there. I’ve been thru both those stages of thought thruout life, & i don’t recall losing or gaining abilities in doing that.

It is a natural tendency for people to do so.
Ultimate truths, a higher power that is outside of us yet mirrors us, customs and rituals to access and bring us closer to it, high priests, prophets and the Laws of our Gods that they bring, the need to congregate with others who share our personal vision of reality,,,

HAHAHA
How much i wish that was actually no more than a joke... but it’s so true these days... lol

Well, if they claim to not need God nor the commandments they have no one to be accountable to, but at the same time they also need to stop blaming God for the world's problems.

That’s another thing that really perplexes me lol

I doubt you'll get a clear answer from any athiest on this.

I’ve said that b4 2 ppl in person, but nvr get an answer... i often get irrelevant subjects & traps brought up, where I might get challenged w/ games like this: “Idk if the Bible is rlly God’s Word,” & then when i answer it, i get “Oh, well I don’t believe God exists.”
I heard growing up that atheism was put in schools thru bullying, but i had no idea it was still done till i confronted it in person. It’s a big reason why u nvr get answers & get told u can’t reason when u’re the one trying 2 reason.

There was a court case about it, & there was a lot of horrendous conduct involved. Basically they fought to teach evolution in schools & then fought 2 kick creationism out.

Well, as you said about apologists, I often find evolutionists arguments to be garbage. They even know there are problems with it, & branch out into other groups because of it. The problem with these kind of things, like Neo-Darwinism, is that they tend to solve one problem & create a whole bunch of other ones.

BTW I’m busy for this wk & have been busy, so i couldn’t rlly look 4 the 14 presuppositions thing, but i will later. However, I do know one of them is “All things occur the same way naturally,” which the Big Bang itself defies. Matter of fact, with that presupposition, God actually makes more sense b/c we have seen ppl create things, but have nvr seen explosions or fires or bombs make anything.

Teach evolution in science class and creationism in church. Problem solved.

In fact, teach evolutionary theory's holes in science class and creationist theory's holes in church!

See, that’s the thing. Evolutionary holes are not taught. Matter of fact, if you read a book called Zombie Science, this guy explains that these ppl teach disproven information in textbooks.
Church only meets once a week & is not often taught it needs apologetics, b/c many Christians believe all the evidence is on the other side, & that they gotta have faith. But ppl like Nancy Pearcey make it clear this isn’t the case. I believe they should do that tho.

*by that i mean what u suggested.
Except one thing. Science is supposed 2 b objective, so both should be taught in science class.

"I heard growing up that atheism was put in schools thru bullying"

I think you are confusing atheism with Christianity.

There’s a movie about this. It was a real story. There was a court, & the ppl involved in the court were full of it & did a lot of things that ought not to be done in court. The whole system was corrupt.

Christianity isn’t bullying. However, killing Christians (which is done by some religious ppl in other countries) & calling them idiots and brain-dead cult spreaders for not believing in the “obvious” Big Bang theory, (things i have been called b4), is actual bullying. If you’re talking about Christians not supporting what they believe isn’t right, that’s not bullying; it’s setting boundaries & isn’t anything like the ridicule we get 4 believing we were created instead of spontaneously combusted in2 existence.

Do you believe non-Christians have a right to not support what they believe is wrong?

Yeah, b/c they kill them.
Also, a lot of ppl that leave Christianity grew up in cult Christianities where the church teaches stuff the Bible never said. For example, if u believe Romans 8:28 means God will give u everything u want in the end, (some churches teach this), then u’re set up 4 disappointment b/c that’s not what the verse means. One church, which I observed at a young age is a road asking ppl 2 go become atheists, says things i often hear from atheists as a complaint about God. That’s something to think about. Not all Christians are like that however, just as all Muslims aren’t terrorists. The difference however, is that Scripture doesn’t encourage thoughtlessness like some ppl believe (John is John writing a case for why Jesus is the Christ), while the Quran flat out tells ppl 2 kill unbelievers. (I don’t hate Muslims tho)

Anybody can believe whatever they want. It doesn’t mean they’ll end up not regretting their belief. I will say that atheists are going 2 have a weird belief on what’s right and wrong, since one being doesn’t decide it & it’s done by “popular belief” ig. But dictatorship isn’t the solution either, b/c a dictator can decide “I’ll make ppl afraid of me by killing 10% of my population just to show how relentless & cold-hearted I am” & that would be very wrong.

Atheists often bully ppl & call them stupid 4 not believing what u believe, which is completely unwarranted b/c we have reasonable arguments & there are agnostic scientists that say scientists have no reason 2 be arrogant against religion like they are.
I don’t like it if Christians are aggressive, especially since it’s against what the Bible teaches. We’re supposed 2 communicate in love, which sometimes i get the feeling ppl deliberately try 2 get them to disobey by aggravating them so they can accuse them of hypocrisy. However, we don’t ridicule ppl & deny them jobs for not believing in what we believe unless they’re doing something rlly offensive 2 Christianity, that we don’t want to be tempted by.

There are people of other religions who believe Christians will end up regretting their belief.

Also the real consequences of your actions.

Yes, but you’d decide how accountable you are. If there is no Being to decide right and wrong, ppl have to. And ppl nvr agree on things. You might know someone that believes it’s smart & not wrong to steal from you regularly, but would you think the same thing toward them, or even want to be near them? How would truth be determined? By popular vote? There’s a lot of evil ppl out there, & sometimes the best ideas wouldn’t be the most popular. That’s why i said that. Ppl determining truth is ver dangerous.

*very

How do ppl determine morality? It’s an objective truth itself. If ppl don’t determine what’s right and wrong, how do they determine what’s good and bad?

Ok, but what if i decide it's self-moral to push an old lady on the street just 2 amuse myself? Is it "wrong?" It might be wrong 2 u & a lot of other ppl, but it would only matter 2 the prsn making the decision. (Now i personally would nvr come 2 this conclusion, b/c i'm nice & not happy 2 b confrontational, but a bully might surely do that). Would i be right 2 correct him 4 it? It would b right 2 me, but probably not him.

There are societies where ridiculous meanness is fine under some circumstances, & i don't think those societies r right.
So morality is determined by popular vote then? B/c i just read a book by a girl who survived the Cultural Revolution, & meanness was flat out encouraged. Same w/ Nazism. Societies deemed those actions as ok, but we can all agree the holocaust was a mucked up thing 2 do, right?

Good point, people try to play God all the time!

THANK YOU

Thx 4 understanding lol

xD i don't understand why people think that's a good idea!

Me neither... but when u point it out ppl often get offended. I keep reading books about this from survivors of nazism, communism, the cultural revolution, & etc., & these authors must be 🤦‍♂️ ing over what ppl r ushering in these days... it’s rlly sad.

It really is, not to get too deep into this topic but, Enforcing vaccines- lemme rephrase that, making vaccines is playing god, you put these artificial things into your body, don't get me wrong, the IDEA of a vaccine is an honorable idea, but when they add all these other things, that's when it gets bad, you aren't letting nature do its natural course it's just so bad! And they never tell people about the religious exemptions or really anything, they make people think there is no other solution at all!

"you aren't letting nature do its natural course"

So, you are complaining that they aren't just leaving people to catch diseases and die? Are you pro-life by any chance?

Bruh- aight, no bad blood, and i don't want you to hate me, I respect your opinion so this is a friendly argument

Mostly what they put in the vaccine to make your body react is what kills you. aka They put it in your bloodstream not naturally like through the nose, mouth, eyes.

Vaccines killing people? Did I miss a news story? They only put it in your blood because it's more efficient, that's where stuff that gets in through your nose, mouth and eyes ends up eventually.

Again, NATURALLY, sure it does end up there in the end, but by the time it does get there your body will have time to react to it and fight it off.

If that was the case, viruses wouldn't kill people. Vaccines use either dead or weakened viruses to provoke the body into having an immune response and creating antibodies.

"Vaccines use either dead or weakened viruses" That's what YOU think.

"Vaccines use either dead or weakened viruses" That's what YOU think.

What's your point? What I think is based on facts and evidence, what is what you think based on?

What I think it is based on is, (I don't remember what specifically what it is called) This very long small piece of paper that comes with a vaccine, and in reading and looking up what these things are have come to the conclusion that they don't really tell the full truth, by hiding another side to the equation.

Yeah... I’m not against vaccines fully... & while i recognize their purpose & appreciate them, I do know some aren’t helpful &/or cause other problems. (I personally am afraid of them b/c i naturally have a low defense system against viruses & other problems). But beside that, yes, other things involved, though they may be physically healthy, may not be spiritually healthy.

"may not be spiritually healthy." Agreed

Ye lol

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That was a question, not a statment.

ye, NaCl is the chemical formula of salt...

Question. Isn't NaCL another way to say salt?

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