idk just give me your opinion

I notice a high number of people who believe in spanking, accusing those who are against spanking, of never having been spanked.

Firstly, it doesn't matter if someone has or has not been spanked, they can learn from scientific studies.

Secondly, people who are spanked can be against spanking.

Whatever mental gymnastics you do, that makes you believe "only those who haven't been spanked are against spanking", it turns out it is a common bias.

No no don’t touch kids there

.....it hurts....

...............................................yeah................

.........it affects your childhood and your sisters.

no, you should not spank kids, If you do, you're a certified Trump supporter

oh my god! do you call everyone a trump supporter?!

it rly depends if its very hard than its abusive and if its not hard but hard ebough to teach em a lesson then its fine

so hurting someone because they aren't doing what you want is fine?

Spanking correct course, like dropping anchor mid-journey

If you teach children that the proper way to correct behavior is to hit, you teach children to hit.

Enjoy your violent child.

I was spanked growing up, and I'm not violent.

You never got into a fight as a kid, or hit anyone?

spanking doesn’t lead to that, in fact growing up as a 4 year old, i had to fight often against bullies, and i hardly ever got spanked (it was the age of time out chairs)

"Hardly ever got spanked"

And I bet those bullies "hardly ever got spanked"

When our role model shows us that we correct behavior with violence, and that is right and just, then we learn to correct behavior with violence.

I mean, it is pretty straight forward.

not me, that’s dumb logic

Modeling is one way in which behavior is learned. When a person observes the behavior of another and then imitates that behavior, he or she is modeling the behavior. This is sometimes known as observational learning or social learning. Modeling is a kind of vicarious learning in which direct instruction need not occur.

so what do we do to teach kids of today that they messed up,

time out chair, after raking up in numbers (or being 9) it doesn’t work
getting grounded, only teaches to wait after bad, then get good things, goes back to being bad
talking to’s, unless stern it won’t work, as a lot of the time some kids (like me) just don’t care enough to listen, or since there is no punishment after it’s wasted breath

no simply a spanking ( 10 or 12 whacks at most) is the best way
while it is just my opinion, it’s honestly more effective for, of punishment, as they learn through experience, unlike the other methods I’ve mentioned, and i think statistically it doesn’t ruin children and make them violent, (if im wrong, im deleting this account) sooo ye

Well, as they say on Reading Rainbow, don't take my word for it.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking#:~:text=Many%20studies%20have%20shown%20that,mental%20health%20problems%20for%20children.

""Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children. Americans’ acceptance of physical punishment has declined since the 1960s, yet surveys show that two-thirds of Americans still approve of parents spanking their kids.

But spanking doesn’t work, says Alan Kazdin, PhD, a Yale University psychology professor and director of the Yale Parenting Center and Child Conduct Clinic. “You cannot punish out these behaviors that you do not want,” says Kazdin, who served as APA president in 2008. “There is no need for corporal punishment based on the research. We are not giving up an effective technique. We are saying this is a horrible thing that does not work.”"

If you need additional sources:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-science-really-says-about-spanking/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-baby-scientist/201812/the-science-spanking

And finally, the American Academy on Pediatrics
https://www.aappublications.org/news/2018/11/05/discipline110518

The science is clear.

frick, i still think it’s a fair punishment but if science says otherwise

Then let me ask https://i.imgflip.com/4hifcj.jpg

not the same thing, possible similar concept but not the same

That's a good question. My view is that kids should never be hit or spanked, but never be shielded from the actual consequences of their actions. If they break a lamp, they have to do enough chores or forfeit enough allowance to buy a new one.

No participation awards, no spanking.

him...

It would be untruthful to say that I was never violent but to say that I was a "violent child" would not be correct, and I would not attribute any violence I may have committed to spanking. That would be absurd.

Modeling is one way in which behavior is learned. When a person observes the behavior of another and then imitates that behavior, he or she is modeling the behavior. This is sometimes known as observational learning or social learning. Modeling is a kind of vicarious learning in which direct instruction need not occur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeling_(psychology)

I think you're misunderstanding the way my parents spanked me. They wouldn't just smack me, they would tell me that what I did was wrong and that I deserved to be punished. Only inflicting physical pain will not help anything and is likely to hinder, but combined with verbal correction spanking can be very effective.

in other words, parents don't need to say

"I am hitting you because that is how we make people correct their behavior"

To show you that
"hitting is how we make people correct their behavior"

No misunderstanding.

Your parents said "this is what you did wrong"

Your parents then showed you how to react when someone does something wrong, they hit you.

Straightforward stuff.

Tell me, how does the hitting change?

No amount of explanation changes being hit, and the explanation just makes it that much clearer that you are being hit because you aren't behaving the way the authority figure prefers.

They're not telling me that's how I should react when someone does something wrong, they're teaching me to not do what's wrong. Also, it appears to me that you weren't spanked as a kid, I was, so I think I would know more about it than you would.

Your ad hominem attack on me is noticed and pointed out.

I don't need to argue with you, I have provided evidence in the form of scientific studies and medical organizations like the American Academy on Pediatrics.

Provide evidence of your claim.

Ad hominem? I was merely pointing out that I should know more about this specific topic than you should, I wasn't attacking you. Concerning the scientific studies, did it ever occur to you that the kids who were spanked more are just more bratty? Bratty kids get spanked more than calm kids, of course, this isn't always the case because parents aren't perfect, but generally, the worse a person is the more they get punished.

You claim that I don't know the topic at hand, because I haven't been spanked.

That is speculative, it is wrong, and it is the definition of Ad Hominem

You are attacking my credibility, instead of the argument I have made.

You dismiss the scientific community as a whole, and claim a bias for bratty kids without evidence.

I'm done with you.

You speculate, and incorrectly

Im not violent ad i got spanked, it just depends on how you do it (I had a few spankings that were undeserving, but I'm fine) If you can handle a spanking, the don't look for it

I disagree with it because it seems wrong to hurt someone just because they aren't doing what you want

Right, using violence to force behavioral change as an authority figure, reminds me of an F word.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

I don't advocate abuse, and spanking ought to be done with an inanimate object, imo. Takes focus off "my parent's hitting me."

lol, "my parents hit me with an object" isn't any better than "my parents hit me"

Kinda is. It puts you in the mindset of "this object hit me while I was being disciplined," rather than, "my parent hit me with his own hand." You fear the object's touch rather than your parent's.

Evidence please, I doubt your premise, has it been tested?

It worked for me. My parents used a paint stirrer (very sparingly) or a belt.

That isn't a test, where was the control, what was the hypothesis?

Come on, seriously, any scientific articles, any journals?

Ah. Gotcha. One moment please.

So this meme asked for my opinion, but I'll try as much research as I can.

I'm afraid I'll have to academically disappoint you, but if you want resources, here's what I've got.

https://www.dobsonlibrary.com/resource/article/4786a2bb-3417-4c6f-96ee-7f0d1ef24680

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/spanking-hand-or-paddle.1594768/?amp=1

https://www.askdrsears.com/topics/parenting/discipline-behavior/spanking/8-admonitions-parents-who-chose-spank

Here's what I gathered based on my rearing and these links: spanking should be used sparingly, should not cause injury or humiliation, and should use a neutral object so as not to confuse a loving and with a painful hand.

I'm impressed!

Both by the willingness to admit the sources are not scientific (nothing wrong with that)

And by the updated and more specific opinion regarding spanking.

Upvotes all around, best wishes

Likewise!

Yeah, some children need discipline when they are young

depends

Not really. I was spanked as a small one but I kinda had it coming

Yeah

To an extent
I don't think you should go whaling on your kid with a big stick or anything like that

what is the rule of thumb for big sticks?