Just needed somewhere to vent

I agree with you 100%

The god of Abraham hates gay people, it is pretty well documented in their holy book.

Why follow a hater? They don't deserve worship.

Look I never said gay was wrong and if you wanna come knocking on my door to tell me my religion "Hates gay people" and "doesn't deserve worship" then you can take your retarded ass turn around and get the f**k out since you have nothing better to do than piss of Christians because you're mad that not everyone f**king loves you. Take ya pussy ass and walk away.

I didn't say Christian's are bad people, I said they worship a God that doesn't deserve worship.

The God of Abraham hates so much, they once killed everyone on earth but one family.

Sorry... I got pissed... I tend to do that...

But even still you won't change my mind.

Not trying to change your mind, I don't worship any gods.

I got no one to root for you to change to, lol

I was interested in why you worship this particular God, who clearly has different values than you do.

I have... Seen and done things that no person should. I have also seen what true evil looks like and religion is a shelter. Even if my religion is phony or evil or f**ked up... It helps me cope with the evil and terrifying things I've done...

I mean I've literally lit my entire body on fire... Once on a bet and another time for.. different reasons.

Faith is a fake shelter.

Community is the respite you seek. Find your people, the ones that accept you without threatening hellfire

Fellowship does not require religion.

I suggest therapy, it has been a real boon for me

No no no you don't understand.

Religion saved me from... Things that would have instead gotten me killed me. Literally like would have killed me... No amount of therapy would have been able to fix me although I have been through therapy the thing that helps me cope with it is the belief that I'm forgiven.

I am saying, religion isn't real.

You are coping. I give you credit for forgiving yourself.

You BunBun, have the power to forgive yourself.

I believe in you, as a human, to face your fears, and move beyond them.

I believe in BunBun, not God.

"I am saying, religion isn't real.

You are coping. I give you credit for forgiving yourself.

You BunBun, have the power to forgive yourself.

I believe in you, as a human, to face your fears, and move beyond them.

I believe in BunBun, not God."

Not gonna lie that was really sweet of you. I'm grateful for the conversation and genuinely enjoyed this. I still can't find myself falling away from my religion but I did get a little confidence boost from this. Thanks!

Cheers mate, best of luck being human, it is a bitch.

I love the response to all of us arguing, mad respect for embracing your truth.

Best wishes, and I hope you find something else, something real, that gives you hope.

I wish family and friends on you, joy and happiness, prosperity and safety. May you find peace within.

I disagree though you do make.. a valid point... I believe for different reasons

God created everything we know. He deserves worship for all he has done.

Lol no.

Yes.

You don't reward abusive parents with praise.

If God is the one that brought life, they are an abusive and neglectful parent.

We should find a better care giver, and stop taking the abuse.

How is God abusing us?

Who is this "better care giver?" God is the only one, he cares for us and that is why he gave us free will.

I would call murdering all humans except one family abuse.

Forcing Jephthah to murder his daughter, abuse.

Cursing woman with painful childbirth forever, abuse.

Seriously? I can keep this up for a long time, the bible is a litany of God smiting man.

Parents shouldn't slaughter their children by the millions.

He flooded the earth because of how many horrible people lived on it at the time.

The Bible does not explicitly state that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. Since his daughter was mourning the fact that she would never marry instead of mourning that she was about to die (Judges 11:36-37), this possibly indicates that Jephthah gave her to the tabernacle as a servant instead of sacrificing her. However, again, Judges 11:39 does seem to indicate that he did follow through with the sacrifice: "He did to her as he had vowed."

Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word.

It was because sin was brought into the world, pain, sadness, ect, because Adam and Eve sinned.

And I can prove God loves us all night.

People should not betray the God who gave them life.

The mental gymnastics you went through there are amazing.

9.5/10

You literally read that God delivered victory over the Amenites for the sacrifice of Jephthah's virgin daughter, and try to explain it away.

Lololol

God never thought of sacrificing a human.

Meanwhile Jesus, a human, is given as a sacrifice by God.

Evil magic blood sacrifice, evil.

God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind."

Really now....did I? Nope don't think so.

3/10

A for effort tho.

https://i.imgflip.com/4h9avb.jpg

Jesus died on the cross so our sins could be forgiven. God HIMSELF sacrificed his son for US!

Literal filicide

How is this positive, who celebrates someone murdering their own child?

Because Jesus gave his life for us so we could be forgiven. He and God loves us so much they are willing to make a sacrifice like death.

So, God so angry, that to forgive his children, he has to murder his child?

Why did Jesus die on the cross? To prove just how much God loves you. Jesus Died On The Cross To Give Us Eternal Life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life . Without the death of Jesus on the cross, we would be condemned to eternal death.

There is no immortality, we all die.

Things that sound too good to be true, usually are.

The only wha?

That OTHER God in the Garden, the Serpent God, gifted humanity with free will.

The God you're referrring to - a jealous and wrathful God, cast him and Eve and Adam out for that, and the World has been ruled by evil ever since, which is why bad things happen, or so the Good Book says.

God gifted us with free will, that is why Adam and Eve were able to sin.

The serpent was not a God.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSMIu3UMtxA

It was not even a snake.

No.

Not only was the Serpent God a God, in the original telling of the story, he was the GOOD God. Oh, wait, in the Bible version he's the good God too.
Go figure.

Adam and Eve did not sin.

They did not know right from wrong, good from evil. They were incapable of sin.

So they could not be expected to follow instructions that required judgement on good or evil.

If God didn't want them eating from a tree, instead of saying it was bad, maybe God shouldn't have left them alone with the tree...

The serpent was never seen as good....

Have you ever even read the Bible?

*sighs*

The story is a borrowed one, old when the Pyramids were new.
While getting borrowed, others made the other God their God because they didn't want to worship the Serpent which was the God of the ones they got the story from.

Whomever thinks Yahweh is supposed to be this jolly nice guy is a niave revisionist child who never read the book. Nice guys do not kill babies, destroy cities, drown near all of life in a flood, smote people, yadda yadda,,,

You clearly don't know why he flooded the earth. You clearly don't know why all the firstborn were killed in the days of Moses and why he destroyed cities. God has a reason for all he does. And all the above have reasons.

Yes, god slaughters people by the millions, and in God's negligence they left their vulnerable children alone with a snake and the ONLY dangerous thing in the garden.

Then punished the children, Adam and Eve, for getting hurt by the snake and tree.

You clearly must be 6yrs old.
Sheesh, did they ever even let you out in the world growing up?
The sky IS blue, ya know.

I know it's blue because I look into the sky almost everyday and wonder how people can say God doesn't exist when the proof is all around them.

You're confusing who you're talking to about that.

I gave you proof (sorta) of God & Jesus going back way before there was an Abraham even, multiple times, in all different lands.

The same "proof" you have for a God, I have for magic pixie unicorns.

They are invisible, and have always existed since before time. The magic pixie unicorns, here on the MPU, are trickster gods, and they delight in confusing gullible humans.

The MPU created everything, then got bored, so they made people to f**k with for funnies.

MPU are neither good nor evil, they are mischievous and good natured, but they value entertainment higher than human life. They made us as part of their game, so they think of us as pieces not players.

The MPU are strictly good to other MPU, they have a harmonious and loving society.

The MPU tricked Abraham, and have been rolling the Jesus joke forward ever since.

I already know God existed before Abraham. He goes way back to the beginning, he created the entire universe.

No. What part of "In our image" do you not understand?

What?

In the bible, Creator God has a meeting with the other Gods to discuss what to do about the human problem, the problem being that the humans know good from evil, and might become immortal, thus becoming Gods

why follow it that closely and expect it to be perfect? I'm sorry last time I checked it's a book just like any other. Not every Christian is a shitty person just because they follow it. That's like saying your retarded for not always right about everything. I'm sorry did you expect us to be perfect because as far as I'm concerned that makes you just as stupid as me doesn't it?

Why follow a god that condones slavery and rape?

It isn't that this god is flawed, it is that they are outright evil.

They admit to being petty, jealous, and wrathful.

They encourage blood sacrifice, and even make people kill their own children.

The god of Abraham is evil masquerading as good.

Just read the bible.

He never made anyone kill their own children.

jealous as in, In Exodus 20:5, it is not that God is jealous or envious because someone has something He wants or needs. Exodus 20:4-5 says, “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...” Notice that God is jealous when someone gives to another something that rightly belongs to Him.

Wrathful meaning, Romans 1:18 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness.

Judges 11:32-40

Jephthah must kill his daughter for the Lord delivered the Amonites into his hands.

Petty, jealous, wrathful... doesn't sound worthy of worship.

Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word.

He died for our sins so they could be forgiven.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sacrificing an innocent life will not absolve someone of crime or "sin"

Why did Jesus die on the cross? To prove just how much God loves you. Jesus Died On The Cross To Give Us Eternal Life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life . Without the death of Jesus on the cross, we would be condemned to eternal death.

There is no immortality.

We all die.

ONLY son? The Nephilim would disagree with that.

"Father, why do you forsake me?"

Guess daddy forgot to fill him in on the itinerary for eternity.

We all die, that is true, but we will all live again for eternity. But you must repent in order to live in heaven.

prove it.

Nobody in this entire universe can get me to say Jesus is not my saviour. I have devoted my life to worshipping God and Jesus because I have asked them to forgive me if my sins and they have.

Blah blah blah, Bunbun asked you to stop and you won't. Rude.

The proof of eternal life is in the Bible and I know you don't believe in it.

Good morals and values are taught through the entire Bible.

God is not abusive.

It is listed throughout the Bible that murdering is a sin. Hell is very real. Your soul is what tells you murder is wrong, you can feel that it is, our souls tell us a lot.

So several thousand, if not million, are pretending God is real......yeah I don't think so m8.

Blah blah blah, Bunbun asked you to stop and you won't. Rude.

Forgiven by whom?

God.

That's silly.

Why? How is making a sacrifice of life silly?

God lost the key or something? He can't find a locksmith? So he turns himself into his son who talks to himself as if he's a separate individual and begs himself not to let himself die, which is one neato trick for an immortal God...

The Nephilim were the heroes of old, men of renown. The people of the world were in a state of moral decay, and had fallen spiritually. The word nephilim is not a name title, and it should have been translated as the “fallen ones.” It is referring to those who have fallen spiritually and are in moral decline.

The Nephilim were either the sons of God or the children sired by the sons of God, it's a little blurry as to which it was.

Jesus never claimed to be the son of God.

Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father . That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God.

Sure, kid, because all the rest that happened long before there was even Judaism and on which Jesus has a curious resemblance to never happened.

Normally I don't do links, but I'm tired and watching tv.

https://humanjourney.us/sons-of-god-and-virgin-births/

Jesus is the son of God. We all would have been sent to hell because sin used to be unforgivable. Until Jesus made his sacrifice so we could be forgiven or our sins, if we asked to be forgiven that is.

That is so awesome because the Jews didn't believe in Hell nor the rest of this Paganistic claptrap, which is why none of it is in the Torah.

You are talking about Greek and other religions that have no proof. But I do have proof of Jesus's existence.

https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/6-incredible-finds-that-proved-the-bible-was-true.aspx

No, you do not.

Your website does not provide proof.

They show an object, then tell an anecdote.

The website is a lot of human made objects, nothing divine.

So you are telling me that I can be an evil person, kill, steal, and do whatever I want and I won't be punished??? That sounds logical.

What Earth are you going on about? Thafuq that have to do with Jesus being nothing more than an imitation of Mithra?

That's what YOUR saying.

You don't need religion to be a good person.

You just need good morals and values.

The Bible is not a source of good morals and values, so I think it more likely someone would be a good person if they learned from society and philosophy.

https://biblereasons.com/is-god-real/

No links.
Proof? Post it.

As if this God thingy is something no one's ever heard of.

Lololol

You really linking to an apologist website, that claims proof, then goes about providing zero proof.

They have plenty of tired old apologetic arguments, but zero proof.

This is weak sauce

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That is so awesome because the Jews didn't believe in Hell nor the rest of this Paganistic claptrap, which is why none of it is in the Torah.

You called hell a "Paganistic claptrap"

In which I replied saying
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So you are telling me that I can be an evil person, kill, steal, and do whatever I want and I won't be punished??? That sounds logical.

If you are saying hell is fake than you must believe that people can be evil and not be punished for their doings.

No, I don't believe such stupidity.

- and neither do you.
Or have you forgotten I've observed your behavior in all its glory?

Hate inform ya, kid, but your chances of being one of the 144,000 don't look quite that rosy.

hell is fake.

People get away with being evil. Hence the unsolved murders and cold cases.

If the only thing stopping you from commiting terrible acts, is fear of punishment, you are evil.

Most human beings don't need to be threatened with punishment, to be kind and loving.

For the rest, we have a criminal justice system.

Miracles are great evidence for God. There are many doctors who know God is real because of the miracles that they have witnessed. There is no explanation for the many miracles that go on every day in the world.

Psalm 77:14 “You are the God who performs miracles; you display your power among the peoples.”

Exodus 15:11 “Who among the gods is like you, LORD? Who is like you– majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?”

I am proof that God exists. Not only me, but all Christians. There are some people who we look at and say this person will never change. They are extremely stubborn and wicked. When wicked people repent and put their trust in Christ that is evidence that God has done a mighty work in them. When the baddest of the baddest turn to Christ you see God and that is a huge testimony.

Doctors are the ones performing those 'miracles,' child, not God. Otherwise we wouldn't need doctors and why pople don't drop like flies like they did not too long ago.

Oh wow, some Biblical quotes prove miracles are weally weal.

Actually you are right about one thing - Christians - Son of Jackal seated in Rome who will steal the Word of the Lord's Chosen and call it their own but not before corrupting it beyond recognition. That is ONE prophecy that did come true, down to Christianity's birthplace in Rome. Christianty IS the Beast.

??? Wtf????? Now I'm beginning to question your mental health.
I believe in heaven and hell. I believe in the end days. I believe in God being our shepherd. I believe everything in the Bible to be true. But not just because I read about it, but also because I see proof of it almost everyday! My birth mom used to see angels and was able to hear a voice that spoke a language she couldn't speak but could understand. I am able to see demons and angels and can feel their presence if one is close. My eldest sister had a boyfriend that was a demon worshipper and I could feel the presence of evil that followed him. I had a friend that could feel the presence of angels. My second oldest sister could hear voices as well.

I believe because the proof is everywhere.

No you don't, because if you were a true believer, you wouldn't act like you do.

Belief is irrelevent anyways, a word for lying overgrown children with no understanding of Divinity who are incapable of understanding that a God in whatever permutations would not need your approval to exist nor would be subject to the limits or your myopic notions and wishes.
Golly, you think you got God's nickname right and now he's your genie in a bottle. Isn't that swell.

Hope yous all get treatment for your scizophrenic hallucinations before you hurt someone.

Sounds like you have a large group of enablers, all agreeing to play pretend together.

If you find a cell phone on the ground I guarantee that your first thought is not going to be wow it magically appeared there. Your first thought is going to be someone dropped their phone. It didn’t just get there on its own. The Universe shows that God is real. This leads me to my next point, but before I start I know that some people are going to say, “Big Bang.” Science and everything in life teaches us that something can never come from nothing.

It is intellectual suicide to believe it can. How did your house get there? Someone built it. Look all around you right now. Everything that you are looking at was made by someone. The Universe did not get here on its own. Stretch your arms out in front of you. Without moving them and without anyone moving your arms will they move from that position? No!

Romans 1:20 “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.”

Psalm 19:1 “For the choir director. A Davidic psalm. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky proclaims the work of His hands.”

You don’t have to give proof for the existence of God. Once again everyone knows that God exists. There are some people even if you give them proof they will deny God. They will deny everything that is in front of them and ask for material evidence for a transcendental being. They don’t even try or want to believe. Nothing will convince them. They will make every excuse not to believe because of their presupposition. Scripture talks about people like this.

I think you are one of these people.

Companies in China makes cell phones,
Houses get built by construction workers.
Those are observable quantifiable facts.

Go ahead, have this God contact me on a phone, give me a house if he can spare a second to make one, then we'll talk. A lot.

God want to drop me a line, we can talk?!

Cool, I need some more wine.

Ok, waited about an hour, God never showed up. Rude.

Actually he is offering a eternal life without pain or sadness so long as you repent...
So horrible of him!

REPENT? That all it takes? Well shuckee dee, where do I sign up?

Oh, but if you don't, then he sends people to Hell for all the deficiencies he made them with in HIS image. Ain't he a doll?

144,000 Sainted Chosen to go to this Heaven with a handful of others from other faiths.
That's a whole lotta unrepenting going on.

You're repeating the same babble and I'm still getting bored still?

Him creating the earth is not enough for you?

They*

If you don't repent then you are not accepting God's love. Why should you be able to reap the rewards of heaven if you don't love God and ask him to be your savior? That's like saying "Thanks for eternal life, still don't want your love just the rewards of heaven." Heaven is ever expanding and is big enough to fit everything in this world in it. There is no limit to how many people can enter.

Repent for what? Tha heck would I need forgiveness for? I've done bad, I've done, I don't need to pretend it's forgotten cuz I sure ain't gonna forget.
Skip yupur silly "Get out of jail free" card for Monopoly, if there was a God who loves, he'll love me if he so chooses, nit because I did 8 Hail Marys.

Are you calling God a liar? 144,000 sainted Chosen (AKA Jews) and a few others judged upon the merit of their works.
Got a problem with that? Good, you should. Now get with it and pick up the slack/

If the parent is abusive, their love of a child is not the issue. The abuse is the issue.

Wouldn't act like I do??? Do you think I'm not Christian because I swear?

You need Jesus in your life, you hate too much, and hating only hurts yourself in the end.

haha, you think you're Christian. Oh wait, you are.

Hate what?
I don't need some old man in the sky with spooky tales about Hell to get me to treat people properly.

No one needs Jesus.

You need critical thinking and scientific literacy in your life though.

I suggest some entry level classes, online due to covid. I'm sure one of the free online academies could help you with that.

Please, I am begging you to learn science and critical thinking, please

That God is jealous when other Gods are worshipped before him, that IS what it says.

When false gods are worshipped that is a sin.

No, no, no - OTHER Gods. How sensitive is a one and only God that it feels jealous over other Gods that don't even exist?

Other gods do not exist they are only made up by people Exodus 20:4-5 says, “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...” Notice that God is jealous when someone gives to another something that rightly belongs to Him.

You need to improve your reading comprehension and this begins to bore me a lot?

You are not getting what it says.

I know what it says, it's the First Commandment, fer Chrissakes.

Well you should understand what it means by God being a jealous God correct?

I get bored with this repitition a lot?

Neither of you is right... Hate to break it to ya but I believe because I'm a horrible person and it helps me cope. It doesn't matter if it's phony or evil because it's something for me to hope for. You guys tryna prove each other wrong but you're both being stupid. I got some damn evidence but I'm not gonna use and here's why. You either believe or ya don't and either way, you're a horrible, evil, shitty person who deserves to die because every human on this earth is. I believe because it helps me cope with the constant thought that I could die any moment and die a horrible person. We're all evil and for me, that's a reason to believe. maybe I'm insane but I'm never gonna stop believing because It's a reason to get outta bed in the morning. If you don't need that and you feel good enough then good for you I'm glad you're happy but I need this. Even if there was no bible or evidence I'd still believe because I don't wanna be meaningless. It's not about proof or worship but actually about having something to hope for.

Could ya'll f**kin not? Look I'll acknowledge that both sides have a point but we're obviously not changing each other's beliefs but instead just making each other angry...

Smh....

Hah