200000 and still playing stupid

And 200,000 people didn't die of covid. Only 9,000-12,000 depending on who you count from. Everyone else died of 3 co-morbidities. That is things they would have died from anyway if covid was not present. Straight from the CDC.

“No I was giving you names to look up. Snopes like other fact checking sites is notoriously dishonest and far left leaning.
I link them most of the time because if they say something is true/false, then its generally so well known to be true/false they can't spin it.”

More selective ignorance. You’re pretty much hopeless.

mmmm no. If you don't do the research you are hopeless.

“I check for scientific studies, business reports, and employment records. You should try it sometime.”

Where? Where do you find all this data if you don’t trust anyone? Plandemic 1 and 2 were absolute jokes at best, so what other kooky sources could you possibly use?

“You seem to be using the appeal to authority fallacy. The origins of covid are not 'settled' science. Its completely unknown because China won't let anyone do an investigation.”

So what? Right now, the origins are irrelevant. They can genetically dissect the virus and figure out where it came from but I’d think finding a cure might take precedence.

As far as the “appeal to authority fallacy” you refer to, that’s a typical response from someone who knows nothing more than what his weirdo uncle tells him on Twitter.

Nope, its a logical fallacy that is known to be used by dishonest debaters such as leftists. The fact of the matter is that the 'authority' on these types of things is undecided and there are multiple factions in the scientific debate.
Everyone that does sequencing either dies or gets threatened and withdraws their research. Even though there are clear genetic markers that show genetic manipulation.

Have you done the research? Or did you just go to CNN and read the tagline of an article and say "yep that's settled."

I look to reputable news sources and check to see what experts like Dr. Fauci and others of his ilk and defer to what they say. If Dr. Fauci wanted to tell me how to build a bridge, I’ll tell him to cram it; that’s my area of expertise. The same way he should tell anyone who flips burgers and are trying to tell him how to treat disease to cram it.

It’s what mature, thoughtful adults would do.

So I’ve asked you multiple times and multiple times you’ve skated the issue: Where do you get all this “research” to claim to do? Other than 100 minutes of Plandemic 1 and 2? I’d like to enlighten myself because I certainly won’t take your word for it.

P.S. - I certainly hope I never see you refer to Snopes or other fact-checking sites to back up your silly arguments/conspiracies. You’ve said yourself that they’re owned by shadowy organizations and are completely untrustworthy.

Or is that only when the facts they present run contrary to your fantiasies?

"I look to reputable news sources and check to see what experts like Dr. Fauci and others of his ilk and defer to what they say. If Dr. Fauci wanted to tell me how to build a bridge, I’ll tell him to cram it; that’s my area of expertise. The same way he should tell anyone who flips burgers and are trying to tell him how to treat disease to cram it.

It’s what mature, thoughtful adults would do."

What Dr Fauci says is the complete opposite of what scientists have been proving in studies for the past 10 years. That's why I tell Fauci to "shove it". He's also on the board of several companies that stand to make big money on another fake vaccine like the flu vaccine.

"So I’ve asked you multiple times and multiple times you’ve skated the issue: Where do you get all this “research” to claim to do? Other than 100 minutes of Plandemic 1 and 2? I’d like to enlighten myself because I certainly won’t take your word for it."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

https://www.newsmax.com/scitech/covid-19-wuhan-chimera-man-made/2020/06/10/id/971586/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8722519/Virologist-claims-publish-evidence-PROVING-coronavirus-manmade.html
(still waitiong on evidence on this one)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1287460/coronavirus-news-covid19-latest-china-humans-animals-science-research

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/nobel-winning-scientist-claims-covid-19-virus-was-man-made-in-wuhan-lab-11587303649821.html

"P.S. - I certainly hope I never see you refer to Snopes or other fact-checking sites to back up your silly arguments/conspiracies. You’ve said yourself that they’re owned by shadowy organizations and are completely untrustworthy."

I only refer to them when they are forced to agree that what was said is true or they prove the left false, because if they do that you know that the facts are so rock solid even they can't spin it.

"Or is that only when the facts they present run contrary to your fantiasies?"

If you actually present facts I'll change my mind. I've done it several times on here. Like the credit cards given to Antifa.

“https://www.newsmax.com/scitech/covid-19-wuhan-chimera-man-made/2020/06/10/id/971586”

NewsMax is right-wing, conspiracy-promoting garbage. I’d laugh less if you have me an InfoWars link.

“https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8722519/Virologist-claims-publish-evidence-PROVING-coronavirus-manmade.html”

Where’s the evidence? It’s been two weeks. Oh, that’s right, that moonbat went on Tucker Carlson (of all media outlets) and was promptly debunked.

Nobody takes Fox News seriously. Their own lawyers argued recently in court that no “reasonable” person would take anything on Fox News seriously....

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/16/li-meng-yan/tucker-carlson-guest-airs-debunked-conspiracy-theo

“https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1287460/coronavirus-news-covid19-latest-china-humans-animals-science-research

Again, an article from May 27, 2020 on the same moonbat BS....DEBUNKED. See above.

“https://www.livemint.com/news/world/nobel-winning-scientist-claims-covid-19-virus-was-man-made-in-wuhan-lab-11587303649821.html”

Luc Montagnier has apparently been in a cognitive decline since 2010...when he was 78 years old.

— It is surprising to have a scientist of Montagnier’s stature utter such questionable statements – although Montagnier himself is a controversial figure. Among other causes, he has supported anti-vaxxers, homeopathy and a silly claim that DNA emits “electromagnetic waves”.

As he lost credibility among his peers, scientific agencies around Europe began to reject his grant applications, and eventually he was left with no money to pursue his ideas. In a 2010 interview, Montagnier said he was leaving Europe to “escape the intellectual terror.” He added, “I’m no longer allowed to work at a public institute (in France). I have applied for funding from other sources, but I have been turned down.” —

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagnier-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-pseudoscience/

Don't refute the source refute the facts they present.

None of these have been debunked. What has happened is they've been smeared in the media with non-facts and unrelated facts that have nothing to do with the facts they are presenting. Show me some actual facts please.

There is evidence that vaccines can be harmful (such as the article about more polio cases linked to polio vaccine than caused in the wild in africa), not all things labeled homeopathy are innefective. We know that the placebo effect is very strong so just doing something they believe will work can do wonders to a patient. Did anyone disprove that DNA emits electromagnetic waves?
So far I'm just seeing media smearing on Montangier, not actuall evidence.

Trumpettes rationalize by bringing up co-morbidiites but that’s 200,000+ people that had pre-existing problems that wouldn’t be dead if it wasn’t for COVID-19.

My wife had cancer, I have hypertension , both of which make us more prone to a lethal infection of COVID, but if I drop dead because my lungs are throwing off blood clots, you’ll rationalize it by saying “Well, hypertension!”

Just stop already.

No, they would have died of flu the next time it came through. They would have died from the regular cold.
People with co-morbidities may have died from covid or they may have died from the comorbidity. That information is not included on any of the studies.
Your lungs won't throw off blood clost and hypertension is not a comorbidity. Neither is diabetes unless you are immune compromised (a very small percent of diabetes patients).
Name calling seems to be your first recourse when presented with actual facts.

COVID-19 causes micro-blood clots.

https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2020/07/what-is-known-about-covid-19-and-abnormal-blood-clotting

Pre-existing conditions like cancer, diabetes, and hypertension cause in increased risk upon contracting COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/evidence-table.html

To say “they just would’ve died” is delusional at best. Trump himself said on the Woodward tapes that COVID is five times more infectious than the common flu and way more deadly. Trump told Woodward that “this thing is a killer if it gets you. If you’re the wrong person, you don’t have a chance.”

But I’ll bet you’ll say that’s not what he meant, right?

"Dr. Jeffrey Laurence, a professor of medicine in the Division of Hematology and Medical Oncology at Weill Cornell Medicine and a hematology and oncology specialist at NewYork-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell Medical Center, and his colleagues authored a paper in Translational Research in early April that sounded the alarm about abnormal blood clotting—which prevents blood flow—in SEVERE COVID-19 cases"
I capitalized the key word in your first link. It only happens in severe cases.

2nd link:
"Type 2 diabetes mellitus", "Serious heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies" under the "Strongest and Most Consistent Evidence" category. So if you are about to die from diabetes or serious heart conditions, yeah, you can die from covid as a co-morbidity.
"Mixed Evidence" - "Hypertension"
"Limited Evidence" - "Type 1 diabetes mellitus"
They don't explain what the difference are, but I bet they all died with low levels of vitamin D and zinc in their systems.
Mixed Evidence means there are studies for and against it. Which usually indicate a factor that is not in either study.

"To say “they just would’ve died” is delusional at best. Trump himself said on the Woodward tapes that COVID is five times more infectious than the common flu and way more deadly. Trump told Woodward that “this thing is a killer if it gets you. If you’re the wrong person, you don’t have a chance.”

But I’ll bet you’ll say that’s not what he meant, right?"

No I'm going to say that Trump is not a doctor and he's parroting one of his advisors like Fauci who is a greedy person with several conflicts of interest and who has changed his stance at least 3 times. The latest from Fauci is that you should take vitamin C, D, and zinc supplements.

“No I'm going to say that Trump is not a doctor and he's parroting one of his advisors like Fauci who is a greedy person with several conflicts of interest and who has changed his stance at least 3 times.”

Donald Trump made that quote on April 3rd and three days later tweeted it wasn’t a big deal.

Dr. Fauci has faithfully served this country since Reagan. The science on this disease changes every day so the baseline recommendations are: facemask, social distancing, and hand washing. It’s the morons out there who refuse to follow it because they deem it to be unreasonable, which is in itself unreasonable.

“The latest from Fauci is that you should take vitamin C, D, and zinc supplements..”

And I’d take his word for it because if he says the science dictates it.

With regards to a brand new virus, there isn’t enough research to establish a concrete plan. New vetted research emerges daily which may or may not alter those plans. Competent, mature adults are aware of this. It’s the rat lickers that are keeping the virus going.

Fauci has many conflicts of interest. go watch Plandemic 2 and then if you don't believe the info they provide research it yourself.

In April they didn't know jack about the virus and everyone include the CDC and the WHO were spouting nonesense that we know now isn't true.

Plandemic is a farce. If that’s your source on info, I pity you.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/fact-checking-judy-mikovits-controversial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

I’m sure the scientists who spend their lives researching pathologies of diseases are more equipped to provide advice than some Chad or Karen who does 30 minutes of reading Facebook.

"Plandemic 2" presented facts, which I then checked and they turned out to be true. You should watch it and then check the facts yourself. I don't believe anyone.

Let me fix that for you "I’m sure the scientists who spend their lives chasing government and big pharma grants are more equipped to provide advice than some person that researches everything and finds out the truth."

Ok, let’s apply your logic here...

“Plandemic 2 presented facts, which I then checked and they turned out to be true. You should watch it and then check the facts yourself. I don't believe anyone.“

You watched a pseudo-documentary which you checked...where? If you don’t believe anyone, how can you check these supposed facts?

“Let me fix that for you "I’m sure the scientists who spend their lives chasing government and big pharma grants are more equipped to provide advice than some person that researches everything and finds out the truth."”

No need to correct it. It was right the first time.

I check for scientific studies, business reports, and employment records. You should try it sometime.

You seem to be using the appeal to authority fallacy. The origins of covid are not 'settled' science. Its completely unknown because China won't let anyone do an investigation.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/may/08/fact-checking-plandemic-documentary-full-false-con/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/the-falsehoods-of-the-plandemic-video/

https://www.snopes.com/collections/plandemic/

Plandemic is complete nonsense.

lol, "Plandemic 2" actually shows who owns the fact checking sites you are linking and shows many times where they out right lie.

So when you referenced Snopes before, you were intentionally misleading me? Or do you just “believe” those sites when they can be used to reinforce your wackadoo theories?

No I was giving you names to look up. Snopes like other fact checking sites is notoriously dishonest and far left leaning.
I link them most of the time because if they say something is true/false, then its generally so well known to be true/false they can't spin it.

According to trumptard logic nobody ever died of aids.
They claim only 12k deaths but no reliable source.
All I know is I know of 5 killed by it and a friend who is a doctor tells me people are dying daily.

Uh... the source is the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

I see a lot of older folks there.
The ones trump says "are the only ones that die"