Liberal logic

planned parent is like.. our military.

Get back to me as soon as the US military bags and tags 300,000 black babies a year!

why does it have to be black babies? i don't see color, personally. besides, this implies that you'd totally be fine with planned parenthood bagging 299,999 babies instead of 300,000. in the eyes of someone with genuine values, one baby is one too many.

You're right.
I was just thinking of the disproportionate and negative effect on the black community. They make up only about an 1/8th of the US population & over a third of the abortions. Planned parenthood is perpetuating a major genocide against them and it's sickening.
Let me try again:
Get back to me when the US military is tagging and bagging 900,000 babies a year.
You bought up the military. This is a false equivalency & a distraction. No rational person would make any connection between soldiers accidently dropping a few babies with collateral damage to Planned Parenthood killing untold millions around the globe and selling there organs for cash.

An unborn fetus's organs are worthless. And they choose to get an abortion. They would suffer if they couldn't. The fetus doesn't feel at the stage it's aborted. Their mother would feel for more than 18 years if they weren't aborted. You're not rescuing babies. You're dooming them and their families to suffer for life.

●Planned parenthood makes millions of dollars selling human body parts for scientific research. Those body parts come from babies.
●There is no evidence to support babies not feeling pain. The brain and nervous system develops early on, and since a baby can feel, in utero, there's no reason to assume it can't feel pain.
●As previously stated, the demand for newborns, in the US, is staggering. Couples wait for years to adopt. They get so desperate waiting for a baby (usually because they can't have one the normal way, due to health issues) they go to China or Vietnam & pay 50 grand to buy a baby from one of the state owns orphanages. If you don't want the baby, there are thousands of couples on waiting lists who do and will take good care of it.

● planned parenthood's own claims of 'donating' baby organs and tissue for 'science' in exchange for 'processing fees.' While selling organs is illegal, 'donating' them in exchange for big money has been defended in court by Planned Parenthood.
They claim to perform well over 300,000 abortions a year plus many times that number in other countries. Obvesely the amount of blood soaked cash they make selling these baby parts adds up.
● https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-brain-nervous-system/
Current science only indicates they CAN feel at 6 to 8 weeks when movement begins. There is zero evidence they can't feel earlier since the brain begins to develop much earlier than that.
●360MLG said that babies were better off being killed cause their parent's didn't want them. I said: plenty of other people do want them.

Your first point is stupid. I can’t even comment on it i don’t know where to begin. Regarding the second point abortions are as painless as possible for the mother and the ferus, much less painful than a ruined life. Third sounds like a twisted form of communism as an argument.

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●Planned parenthood selling human body parts is an indisputable fact. They openly admit it. Of course you can't comment on it. It's barbaric.
●'Painless as possible' is both false and meaningless. If painless was even on the menu, partial birth abortion wouldn't be a thing. The baby is dismembered in the womb and removed piece by piece. Head, arms, legs and torso taken out individually. Does this sound like a quick & painless method?
●Adoption as a form of communism is a non- sequitur & has nothing to do with anything. Adoption is not remotely communist and if it was that wouldn't shorten the long list of couples waiting for newborns.

Take off your tin foil hat and get professional help. Look it up. Get reliable data. How would you operate with an undeveloped organ. Who would buy that. The fetus isn’t dismembered. It doesn’t work like that. That are smaller than your fist at the stage they are aborted.

●I posted dismemberment abortion pics on here earlier, but had to delete them because they are so NSFW, I got in trouble.
Search for 'Dialation & extraction' abortion & you'll see that not only am I right, but your far left crew brags about it being the most common type of late term abortion.
●'Planned parenthood is a US organization' has nothing to do with anything. They also abort babies in other countries. And we weren't discussing their location. We were discussing their barbaric practices of ripping babies up and selling the organs to science. Neither of these claims are at all disputed. The left supports these practices.
●The left simply says that it is ok because a baby isn't a human being.
That is the only debate. The left says a 9 month old baby is a lump of tissue. The right says a baby is a human being. That's it. Pick a side.
If you don't believe me, do simple research into 'D&E' abortion & baby organs being used for 'science.' Or follow me and I'll meme chat you the pics.

Haha. The right says an adult person isn't a human being that deserves to live if they cannot work. The left does. 9 month old's don't get aborted, they get birthed. I'll just link a page that know's what it's talking about here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion . Read up.

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No one on the left is claiming Planned parenthood isn't selling organs. They're claiming they are 'Donating fetal tissue to science in exchange for processing fees.'
No one on the left is claiming Planned parenthood isn't using dismemberment abortion. To the contrary they claim it's the main type of abortion for the secand trimester. They simply prefer the term 'dialation & extract abortion.'
Welcome to the real world. Yeah, I know it sux. Get used to it.

No no is claiming it because it’s stupid. Why would anyone need to comment on it. Besides Planned Parenthood is just the US organisation or something. Idk about them but im talking abortion in general :/.

So even though you now know that 3 month old babies are human beings you still support killing em? Ok. I tried.

Would you rather they live miserable ruined lives and end up killing themselves instead? So much for moral superiority.

●The right never said anything pro euthanasia. They have never advocated euthanizing the sick, old or unemployed. Only the left advocate euthanasia. See any of the 'assisted suicide' bills they tried to cram down our throats so they could legally have their grandparents killed.
●Also: stop changing the subject. What the hell does that even have to do with abortion?
●Nine mouth olds get aborted all the time. In Virginia they recently passed a 4th trimester abortion bill so doctors could kill babys after delivering them incase they were retarded. Why would the left push for post birth abortion legalization if they didn't kill babies right up til the last secand? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066307
●Here far left media extremists defend dismemberment abortion as the 'most common 2nd trimester abortion technique.' https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2017/02/de-abortion-bans-implications-banning-most-common-second-trimester-procedure Why in the hell would the left cry about laws trying to ban late term abortion & dismemberment abortion if late abortion and dismemberment abortion weren't real?
●Here are right wingers trying to pass an anti dismemberment abortion bill in Nebraska. Why the hell would the left fight for the legality of dismemberment or partial birth abortion if it wasn't a real thing?
●Lastly and most importantly: here are some pictures of 3 month olds in the womb. This is the 1st trimester abortion you claim falsely is 'good.'
These babies are either human beings in which case abortion is genocide. Or these babies are lifeless lumps in which case killing em is no worse than stepping on a roach. You pick. YOU PICK.

No, the pregnant women pick. Im not advocating for forced abortion, im advocating for the option to abort. It’s a choice, you don’t want women to have that choice.

"This is a false equivalency & a distraction"

it's also a bigger issue than abortion ever was. it's almost as if your side don't actually care about big issues such as our corrupt military industrial complex.

"No rational person would make any connection"

no rational person would excuse the killing of children done by our military.

"soldiers accidentally dropping a few babies with collateral damage"

""""""accidentally"""""" it was no accident lol... i shouldn't lol tho, this ain't even funny. still, using the word "accidentally to spin this:

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afghanistan-cia-militia-01-strike-force/

and you're the rational one around here, i guess.

"Planned Parenthood killing untold millions around the globe and selling there organs for cash"

our military is killing untold thousands around the middle east and lockheed martin is cashing in billions of dollars, while anyone who exposes this evil is arrested for doing so.

We seem to be having a failure to communicate. The US military dropping some kids as collateral damage has absolutely nothing to do with abortion nor do you THINK it has anything to do with abortion. You simply have no reasonable argument for why killing hundreds of thousands of babies in the USA and millions abroad is ok.
If you don't want to discuss the meme I made, don't comment in the first place.

"The US military dropping some kids as collateral damage"

yes, your arguments are getting damaged by you selling it as some type of accident. i suppose the cia militia strike was an accident as well, right?

"You simply have no reasonable argument for why killing hundreds of thousands of babies in the USA and millions abroad is ok"

gee it's almost as if i don't have any arguments. all i'm saying is that prioritizing abortion as an issue over the baby-killing our military does -- and has been doing for decades now is -- is hypocritical.

Humans are organs until their spinal cord is cut upon birth. Abortion is ok if the child isn’t too developed.

dang i meant umbilical cord oops

I mean...

Doesn't matter how developed, still ends the life of a human without due process

It cannot decide it's own fate. It is up to their mother to do so.

Wrong. No human gets a say in the fate of another human (unless that thing known as due process is involved).

Pro suffering smh

Wrong

Since when do organs have organs?

Rather than explain the difference between a umbilical cord & a spine, or the difference between an organ & a human, I'll just dig up this classic meme...

I know the difference, sometimes it just happens.

It's easy to type the wrong thing. I understand. But if you're gonna disagree with my meme you'll have to do better than that.

The right picture is utterly irrelevant. Look up what an unborn fetus looks like. Also anti abortion is anti feminist.

"anti abortion is anti feminist." That makes no sense. Being against the homicide of an innocent human is not against the equal rights of women

The child is IN their body and is taking nutrients fro them. They should be allowed to decide if they don't want to keep them. It's not about equal rights, men CAN'T get pregnant anyways. But they also don't need to. Anti abortion is anti feminist. Pro abortion is pro feminist. Go ask anyone with a clue, they will give the same answer.

"Anti abortion is anti feminist." Ad nauseum fallacy. You just continuously repeated something you said earlier as if it was true.

Are you saying it's not true?

Of course the first picture is irrelevant. That's not my argument. That's the pro abortion argument. I never said a baby looks like a clump of cell. That's THEIR LIE.
And pro life can't be anti feminist. Half of the babies killed in the US are girls. Overseas, where female babies are less desirable than male, that number goes way up to 60-70%. Heck, in China, MOST abortions are of female babies, because people only want sons over there.
Trying to save the lives of female babies can't possibly be anti feminist.

"control their own bodies." This is irrelevant for the following reasons.
1: If they actually were controlling their own bodies, the number of abortions would fall by more than 99%.
2: The unborn human is not part of its mother body, just like a patient on life support is not part of the life support and I am not part of my house.
3: Controlling one's own body is not the same as ending the life of another individual organism, especially since both organisms are Homo sapiens.

The one child policy isn't in effect anymore. Yeah half of children ARE FEMALE. Besides they are the ones that must carry the burden. They choose to get an abortion. "Pro Life" states that they don't get that choice. If it was by accident or not. And responsibility doesn't end at birth. They have to raise them, care for them for 18 years or so. Some don't want that. They should be allowed to choose. Pro Lifers are the same people who are Anti-Vaccine, ironic if you think about it. And if aabortion is illegal desperate ones will have to get an abortion elsewhere. It's stupid to not let them. Aborted children would suffer in life if they weren't aborted. Their parents would. Pro abortion is pro choice. It's not forcing them to get an abortion. It's letting them.

So much to unload here...
1: the one child policy and forced abortions are still going on in China. The relaxation of the policy is only in certain cities.
2: there are plenty of programs for pregnant women to have the baby and give it up for adoption at no cost to them. The demand for newborns in the USA is infinity higher than the supply and plenty of couples would be glad to take the baby.
3: I said nothing about vaccines. My meme said nothing about vaccines. Stick to the subject. What the heck would kids getting the flu cause their mom won't get them a flu shot have to do with killing babies?
4: 'If abortion is illegal...' has nothing to do with anything. If anything is illegal people will do it anyway. By that logic everything would be legal cause people would just do it anyway.
5: if I believe a baby is a human being, I can't be pro choice. Obviously, 'it's her choice' isn't an argument if the baby is a human being. A 'choice' to kill is no sacred right. The pro-abortion crew simply argues babies aren't human. This has been scientifically proven to be false with the debut of the sonogram. Babies are definitely human. Therefore abortion is definitely wrong.

It’s not a baby, it’s a fetus. If it is legal then they would get help from medical professionals with equipment to perform it. If they will do it anyways why not let proffessionals handle it? And being pregnant is tough if you were to ask any mother, not to mention the birth process.

I'm not gonna reply to you anymore. You're talking in circles.
You're entitled to your opinion, but we've reached the point of the debate where you're simply throwing everything at the wall & hoping something sticks.
'Fetus' is simply Latin for 'baby.' So what does the word fetus have to do with anything?
'Pregnancy/birthing is tough?' The abortion process is tough. Every year thousands of women are injured for life when the abortion process goes sideways and they get parts of their reproductive system ripped out with the baby. Again, what does birthing being tough have to do with anything?

Go speak with someone who knows this, and a psychologist. Fetus in english means an unborn baby. Also abortion doesn’t even work like that.