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5 times more people died in just the Civil War than all of the American covid deaths.

Yes, I already acknowledged this “most wars”. Does that mean that the lives of those who died in other wars was any less tragic or without purpose to you? One who considers himself “American“ in ideals and values, would mourn the loss of his fellow countrymen. Instead, I see defiance and uproar over a temporary and silly mask, a majority by the political party which often associates itself towards patriotism and conservative values. I urge people not to be such hypocrites and instead act more like the citizen soldiers they make themselves out to be. Rather than whine like a baby about a mask, acknowledge that many are suffering and try to help them if you can.

Way to project and deflect. I was just pointing out your ridiculous claim. Way way way less covid deaths than ANY war the US has fought in.

You blame me of deflecting, but you literally are deflecting from the point of the meme. You must be a hardcore Trump supporter with your idiot facts. Look up U.S. combat deaths by war... it’s not that hard. National Geographic has a nice graph that shows the numbers. Again, you are accused me of deflecting, but you literally continue to deflect away from the heart of the message.

That's based on total numbers, right? Total number of US citizens who have died in wars, in our entire history, right?

According to wikipedia (which I am usually loathe to quote, but will do so in this case due to time constraints) the total number of US citizens who have died in wars is 1,354,664 (while "combat" deaths are tallied at 666,441.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

Aren't we at about 150K from the virus as of today, 7/29/20?

You must have a different source for either the total covid deaths, or the total deaths in war, so maybe you could provide it? Maybe you're mixing up reported cases with deaths? A lot of people are making that mistake.

Also, in terms of putting these unfortunate deaths in context, the death rate from the virus compared to our total population is 0.045%

Maybe, just maybe, this notion that we need to roll up into the fetal position, destroy our economy, do untold harm to our children by keeping them out of school, destroy peoples' livelihoods, postpone medical treatment for things like cancer, diabedes, etc., to deal with a virus pandemic is not the way to go.

We've never done it before during a pandemic, so maybe it's us that has changed, not the danger from a pandemic.

Let’s be a bunch of babies crying over masks... or lets acknowledge over 150,000 people died in our country. Go cry and protest seat belts right now if you need something to do.

Umm no Elvis. I said most wars in our Nations’s history, I did not say more than the sum total of all wars. Last I checked, only two American wars had most U.S. combat casualties when compared to Covid numbers, WW2 and the Civil War. More Americans died from Covid then say... Vietnam, but I guess that number of deaths just isn’t high enough for you yet huh?

Do you cry every year over flu deaths, medical malpractice deaths etc?

This seems to digress and be the exact “squabble” I argue against. To humor you though, please inform yourself of the mortality rate from the current pandemic vs influenza. Also, inform yourself that while there are a vast number of strains and subtypes of the influenza virus, we only have one strain of virus leading to the current pandemic. When you say influenza deaths, you are grouping multiple strains and using it to compare to the one strain of virus causing the current pandemic. Educate yourself by looking at the actual flu deaths which occur, which is still after all that significantly less than deaths related to Coronavirus, as well as look at the communicability of both. If all that doesn’t shut you up, consider the fact that people have the option to choose a vaccine available for the flu, whereas at present time, no such option exists for the Coronavirus that has been tested and shown to be safe for mass distribution.

"Umm no Elvis." If this post is intended to be a reply to my post, why didn't you reply to my post?

Okay, so your point is that more have died from this pandemic than from any given war in our history... thanks for the clarification.

I think if you look at the major wars we've fought in terms of casualties, it would be more fair to make the comparison based on population at the time, as opposed to tallying total numbers. In the name of attempting an apples to apples comparison, would you agree to that?

So assuming we can agree that my calculation of covid-19 deaths to date, which is based on the entirely unreliable numbers we're being fed, is correct mathematically, the current death rate for our population is 0.045%

So, let's look at the deaths from what I would consider our major wars after we became a country... unless you think our smaller wars are really worthy of such comparison?

war: deaths / total population = % (note that I calculated the deaths vs. the US population as of year the war ended.. you'll get nothing but full disclosure from me)

War of 1812: 15,000 / 7,666,314 = 0.196%

Mexican American War: 13,283 / 17,069,453 = 0.078%

Civil war: 364,511 / 31,443,321 = 1.16%

World War I: 116,516 / 103,000,000 = 0.113%

World War II: 405,399 / 139,900,000 = 0.29%

Korean War: 36,516 / 160,200,000 = 0.023%

Vietnam War: 58,209 / 216,000,000 = 0.027%

Assuming we can agree on these numbers (and with wiki and the interweb as my source, why wouldn't we?) only the last two wars lend any credence whatsoever to the claim your fear mongering meme makes.

Sorry Iscoles, but I don't think your meme is supported by the numbers. Just another Trump hit piece.

And please do not misinterpret why I'm pointing out that I feel your meme is fear mongering. I believe we should practice social distancing, wear masks in public, wash our hands, use hand sanitizer when we can't wash our hands, avoid touching our faces, etc. All the things the left wants to force people like me into doing.

In fact, if we had taken those steps in the beginning, and the step of isolating the most vulnerable among us (the elderly) instead of sending covid-19 patients into nursing homes (yeah, I'm talking to you, mass murdering Andrew Cuomo...) I believe we could have easily avoided destroying our economy, and all the problems associated with sheltering in place that I mentioned in my original post replying to your meme... the one you seem to have replied to without replying to it.

No Elvis, I would not agree that it’s fair to compare deaths by population at the time. Deaths are the same irrelevant of population. Population does not make the death less or more tragic to me as it does for you. Also Elvis, I disagree about looking only at major conflicts. Americans are glorified for dying in combat, which conflict makes little difference. The point is simple enough to be captured in a meme. Americans are dying in significant numbers, mourn that if you consider yourself true to American ideals, and stop minimizing the severity of the issue. If you want to talk about Vietnam and WW1 50 or 100 hundred years later and point to all the death and despair America went through, realize we are going through more death and despair now, and many want to look the other way and play it off.

If this wasn't the internet, meaning if we were having this conversation in person, I would absolutely be offended by your assertion that I am trying to minimize the severity of the issue. In response I would say it's absolutely irresponsible to over emphasize the severity of the issue. As proof, I would offer up what I've already said about destroying our economy, destroying peoples' livelihoods, destroying marriages, doing irreparable harm to our children, etc., etc. All for the very likely reason that one political party wants to remove the president from the opposition party from office. That's about as un-American as it gets. Putting political aspirations ahead of lives. Shame, shame, shame on you for supporting that inhumane, traitorous effort.

"Deaths are the same irrelevant of population." ??? Of course 1 death in 1945 is the same as 1 death in 2020, because there is one dead body. That is about as ignorantly simplistic of an analysis as I've seen so far in this entire covid mess. For 2020, it literally means nothing more we've now got one dead body. It proves nothing regarding the threat the virus poses, now. Absolutely nothing.

Okay, fine, then. So at some distant future date, when .0001% of the population dies from a virus, you'll compare the overall number dead to the number of people killed in the war of 1812 and scream that the sky is falling because it's 15% more dead people. Absolutely, positively, meaningless in the context of what we're discussing.

If you don't see the ridiculous nature of comparing the total deaths now out of a population of 330 million, to the number of deaths in the Sheepeater Indian War of 1879, in which one person died, then you have some real deficiencies when it comes to analyzing a situation like this.

"The point is simple enough to be captured in a meme" is absolutely correct, when the point is absolutely wrong. That's the beauty of memes, they don't require any thoughtful analysis, nor proof to make their claims, which is the case with your meme.

Forget apples to apples comparisons, right? You're more than satisfied to go with an apples to dump trucks comparison because it supports your fear mongering ways.