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Yes!!!

I love Monk, too. He is a prude, and that's why we love him!

You know that your religion finds a human trait to be a sin, right?

And you do realize that all humans are born sinful and in need of a Savior, right?

F**k off. Gays and other members of the LGBTQ have been systematically oppressed for no one knows how long. We shouldn't have to follow your stupid little book club that's been reading the same stupid, nonsensical fantasy novel for centuries. Stop using your beliefs as an excuse to hate a certain group of people. Stop telling Jews or Muslims that they're gonna go to some fiery land called hell with this red skinned dude name Satan that will torture you for all eternity if you don't join your religion. That's like saying "You're a Percy Jackson fan? You better stop liking that series and start liking Harry Potter, or else Voldemort's gonna kill you."

TL;DR: Your religion should be accepting. Like it was meant to be in the first place, you brainless chucklef**k.

Gee whiz, I can't believe you wrote a whole essay and not once mention anything that sounds even vaguely like a logical fact or argument. All I read was a bunch of opinions with the occasional, "I'm offended!" thrown in. Take some logic classes, kid.

"Gays and other members of LGBTQ have been systematically oppressed"? Maybe that's because homosexuality is morally wrong.

I thought I proved to you that the Bible was true in the first little argument we had. Y'know, the one where I logically proved that Christ had to have been resurrected from the dead, or else the Apostles wouldn't have been proclaiming that he is the Messiah? Yeah, that one.

I thought I also explained that we don't hate anyone; we hate the sins they commit, because, if they aren't repented of, they will lead to eternity in hell.

And, by the way, we don't evangelize by threatening hell. We are transformed by the love of Christ, and so we try to share that with others. We don't share the Gospel just to get people to join our religion; we share it so that they will have the opportunity to spend eternity in Heaven.

If you're so keen on, "accepting everyone," why don't you demonstrate that yourself, you hypocrite? And, besides, we do show acceptance. We know that Christ welcomes all who come to him in genuine repentance, and gives them salvation.

I'm glad you came to my TED-Talk. I hope you learned something. I'll be praying for you.

Permission to jump in?

Yes.

Thank you.

The only morally wrong thing in this whole comment section is trash like you saying that something that's out of your control. Saying that homosexuality is immoral is like saying that you shouldn't be black or Asian. Now I just have to hope that you're not against other religions as well.

As for your point on the bible, show me the "proof". Then we'll talk.

Hating the sins they commit is decent logic for the most part, but hating the "sin" of homosexuality is just as good as hating LGBTQ+ people themselves. You claim to be transformed by the love of discount Obi-Wan, but you're still pretty annoying nonetheless.

Me? A hypocrite? You don't know what it's like to be considered immoral for something you have no control over. You don't know what it's like to have to fight for decades for basic human rights. You don't know what it's like to have to fight for your lifestyle to be socially acceptable. The difference is for you, it could be solved easily because religion is a choice. (But you won't quit your religion if it was systematically oppressed for no good reason). LGBTQ+ people don't choose to live the way they do. They once faced oppression because of SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. How would you like it if you were in the LGBTQ+ community's shoes? I know for a fact that you wouldn't like it one bit.

All in all, f**k you and your fantasy novel and your bargain bin Obi-Wan.

In no way that I am likening one to the other, but if one claims to be born as a **pist, or simply have preference for the underaged, should s/he be allowed to do as s/he pleases... because s/he is born that way?

Well no. Not if its pedophilia or rape.

We would all agree that if we're predisposed to a destructive or a harmful habit, then we should be against it.

But all the same, if we're to use the argument which you've used, then we cannot fault even a **pist or a pedophile for simply being who they are.

Rape and pedophilia are illegal and ARE choices. Homosexuality is NOT a choice and is NOT illegal. Whatever you're smoking, It's making you one retarded son of a bitch.

Are you saying homosexuality is a choice?

Ultimately yes. I'm saying that though we may be born with it, we can still chose not to be.

There's lots of SCIENTIFIC proof that we do not choose our sexuality. But I'm not gonna list it, because you hate SCIENTIFIC proof.

I've looked at the same science and it only proves an indicator... not proof of.

But suppose there is a so-called Gay Gene.... If there is a Gay Gene, then there's probably an Alcoholicism Gene, or a Pedophine Gene as well.

After all, something is in our body that predisposes us to love chocolates over fruits, warrmth over cold, Introvers or extroverts, etc.

The Nature to sin/rebel is ingrained in all of us; but not all of us are equally tempted over the same thing. Some of us have a greater propensity to be more angry than lust, or gluttony over pride.

Excuse me, Pedophile* Gene.

We don't choose our feelings or temptations but we do have the choice what to do about it. Just as a Pedophile can choose to abstain from Pedophilia, so can a Homosexual, Bi, Pansexual, Transgender, etc.

I'm done trying to reason with you. I'm never coming back to this stream again.

There is no Gay Gene. Such a gene would go extinct as soon as possible as it could not get passed down.

The Bible has scientific proof, what doesn't have scientific proof, is atheism

Technically not born with it I don't think, more like Satan's temptation, but I could be wrong

Satan's hand in our sinfulness, I agree. What I also believe is that we're the product of our environment.

What we are now is a combination of factors from Orignal Sin (Romans 5:12-16), to a cycle of sin i.e Child Abuse, Alcoholism, etc..

I've read and heard of a number of stories as to why Gays are what they are. Some realized that they were different than their peers, and others did not have a father-figure. Others became that way because they were sexually assaulted.

And/or live in a bad household, with like divorced parents or something

Exactly.

You're retarded.

I might be, but suppose I am... that doesn't discredit or debunk the point made.

the question now is, can you... debunk it?

And if you can't, but could only throw ad-hominens, then guess who's more deserving of that name?

You're the retard for seeing homosexuality as a choice. There are so many studies out there that I can't even begin to make a complete list about them.

You're like Grandpa Simpson, doing stupid shiza.

Let me guess: You also say that people have no control over whether or not they think the Earth is flat.
"SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER" Do you have even the slightest piece of evidence?
No wonder people consider you immoral. You refuse to go half a week without saying the f-word.
" you and your fantasy novel" How many times do I have to tell you that a novel is a FICTITIOUS narrative?

I know a novel is a fictitious narrative.

Then why did you use that word, given the piece of literature you were talking about is the opposite of a fictitious narrative?

"Saying that homosexuality is immoral is like saying that you shouldn't be black or Asian." No it isn't. Being "black" ("dark brown" would be more correct, there aren't that many people who are actually the color of my computer mouse) is a matter of genetics. Being Asian is a matter of where your mother was at the time of your birth. Being homosexual is NOT a matter of genetics or geography.

I will acknowledge that the LGBTQ have been persecuted within Christendom; they have been made to convert, possibly tortured, and burnt at the stake. I cannot make up for that

What I can say is that it has never been intended it by Jesus since His first coming.

In John 8:1-8 the Pharisees wanted Jesus to stone an Adultress to test Him, but knowing their intent, He wrote on the sand, possibly exposing their sins and said "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone". They've walked away.

Now, Jesus would have stone her Himself, after all, it is samctioned in Israel since the writing of the Law, but He did not. The reason for it is because with His coming came also Grace (John 1:17); we're in what's called the "Age of Grace" or the "Church Age". This is not an exception

In Acts 8:9-24, Simon the Sorcerer, after converting, was not threatened with stoning when he sought to purchase a miraculous gift with money;

In Acts 13:8-11 Elymus, also a sorcerer, withstood them but Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit merely blinded him rather than stoning him.

Indeed, the only execution that occured was doone by God Himself when Ananias and Sapphira cheated the Apostles (Acts 5:3-5).

I'll address damnation as soon as we're done with this topic.

"Your religion should be accepting." Noted, Mr/Ms Hypocrite.

Incorrect. Novels, by definition, are fictitious.

Shut up and go back to reading your little fantasy novel.

One day, God will judge all sinners not because He is cruel and picky but because He is holy and just.

God who is holy cannot allow sinners into His kingdom, and God who is just cannot allow a sinful act to go unpunished (Psalm 5:5 & Exodus 34:6-7). But because God loves us He gave His only son,

He is God, became a man, and lived by the commandments neither of us can ever hope to perfectly obey, He died in our place as if totally guilty, and rose again for our salvation

So that when we come to Him in repentence and faith, we will be saved (John 3:16, Mark 1:15. John 5:24).

Okay, why on earth are you on this stream. Where does your hate stem from? What are you afraid of? Why do you keep getting so defensive?

Someone who apparently doesn't know that a novel is a FICTITIOUS prose narrative.

I tried to get you to accept homosexuality peacefully and without conflict, but you turned it into this. I'm not responding to any of your replies anymore.

Oh, so you're going to try and play the martyr now? And twist the story to fit your worldview? Well, it's not going to work. For anyone who happens to read this after, here is the real story:
Octilley randomly commented on an image in this stream, challenging the historical veracity of the Bible. When I replied with proof that the Bible is true, he lost his crap and went on a rant about how Christianity didn't line up with his own beliefs, therefore it's not true. So I replied, pointing out the flaws in his logic, and then he blew up. After spamming hate comments all over this stream, with me and some others answering each one with logic and facts, he finally gave up and wrote the above comment. Then he posted a bunch of ugly, disgusting pride flags in this stream. I, and hopefully everyone else in this stream, will be praying that God brings him to the Light. And I hope that you, the reader, will too.

Good job, exactly what I was thinking. And 2 Timothy 2:26 for you, Octillery

Did you just assume my gender?

Well, I had a 50/50 chance to get it right, so I took my shot. Sorry if I got it wrong.

Well, you were right, but would it have killed you to use gender neutral pronouns?

No real reason to.

bruh are you ok?

No, he's not. He's triggered because I and a few others just destroyed his "argument."

Oh I don't think I ever thanked you for defending me. It means a lot that I have comrades in the fight:)

You're welcome! I'm also glad that I'm not fighting alone.

;-;

Did you just assume my gender?

So what? There's only a 50% chance that Aelfwine guessed wrong.

How many times do I have to tell you what a novel is and isn't?

I know what a novel is. That's why I called the bible a fantasy novel. It's not real.

The Bible has proven to be more historically and archaeologically accurate than any other ancient book.
Bible has been proven historically accurate, in the most exacting detail, by external evidences.
https://www.icr.org/biblical-record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU Made by a former science teacher.

Just like your brain.

I see. UniformVictor and I have thoroughly and logically taken down your, "argument," (which was really little more than you screaming, "I'm offended!") so you resort to Ad Hominem, which is possibly the worst way to argue. Like I said before, you should take some logic classes if you want to argue.

Why did you bring evolution into this?

Because he accused me of believing a fantasy novel is true, so I pointed out that the Bible is much more factual than the book that atheists regard as truthful.

You really seemed to hate science class as a kid

I don't, but thats because I go to a Christian school, so they teach the TRUTH

No, it doesn't. biologyonline.com defines a trait as "Characteristics or attribute s of an organism that are expressed by genes and/or influenced by the environment ."

"I'm done trying to reason with you. I'm never coming back to this stream again." You were actually trying to reason? That's strange. Nobody with ten brain cells or more would come to that conclusion.