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Pick an issue, and remember this when you vote. | ARE WE SO AFRAID OF ONE POSITION; THAT WE RUSH TO EMBRACE IT'S OPPOSITE WITHOUT QUESTION? | image tagged in american flag | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Hardly nobody knows this fact.
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0 ups, 5y
We know it, it's just completely irrelevant and a distraction from the issues at hand.
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Are we so afraid of a theoretical opposite that we will stop questioning cruel policies and practices?
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Reject cruel policies and practices, without blindly accepting whatever is offerred in their place. There is middle ground between cruelty and rioting.
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For the love of God WHEN NOTHING HAS YET BEEN OFFERED TO TAKE ITS PLACE, THE ANSWER IS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING OF WHAT WILL TAKE ITS PLACE NOT THAT WE SHOULD BACK OFF AND SUBMIT TO THE STATUS QUO!
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It's not either-or. We don't not have to accept the status quo to reject options.

If you are using the George Floyd murder as a reference, we do not have to accept excessive violence and police brutality to reject the BLM agenda.
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And the BLM agenda is whatever you say it is?
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I mean, the 'Gay Agenda' is whatever they say it is so...
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Without scary boogeymen to be afraid of, we run a terrible risk of getting along.
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BLM and the Movement for Black People are pressing for much more than civil rights and equality. M4BL's agenda is a radical left wish list. What they sent to Biden was clearly identifiable as a combination of Sanders' socialism, Yang's Freedom dividend, AOC's Green New Deal, and other Ult(ra) Left policies. BLM is not as radical, but they aren't just about racial justice. They, too are pushing a whole political philosophy.

We can demand justice for George without selling out to someone else's political agenda.
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Not really. The only radical agenda I've heard regarding BLM are things that people who hate them say their agenda is, which... Well, frankly, you should take two seconds to think what the problem with that might be.
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I have visited the websites of both organizations, and read the literature posted there. Perhaps, what you consider "radical" is different from what I consider radical. Again, M4BL is way more radical than BLM, but there are also more specific. I believe that black lives matter, but I do not support the organization because they advocate for a wider political and social change than racial equality. It is unfortunate but true that groups (left or right) will try to exploit the momentum of tragic events to further their own ends.

BTW, we've been discussing BLM, but the meme applies to the US more generally. As one example, Weinstein was generally reviled across the country, but support flagged when the discussion turned to "toxic masculinity" and re-educating boys about how to treat girls.
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Well, that is also a discussion - without economic justice, labor justice, legal justice and criminal justice, justice for property rights, equality in city planning, electoral justice, equality in education, and so on, the work for racial justice will never be over - and if that is radical to you, because every discussion leads to push for wider political change, then I don't know what else to tell you.

But.

That's not replacing a position with its opposite without questioning. A LOT of questions get asked and answered with this line of approach. Your meme is still setting a tone of fear and suspicion for something that is really not that radical.

You get a similar answer for your example with Weinstein: women get treated like shit and that won't change with the arrest of one Hollywood producer, so we need a wider discussion about how to stop that from happening to begin with. I am all in favor of a wide cultural shift in how that is handled. It sounds radical to you because you REALLY REALLY did not want that big a change to happen - but, it's going to. People are sick of this crap.
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Responding to your comment below...

I do not disagree that change needs to occur, in either context. I disagree with what we are being told the changes must be. Justice can occur in all the contexts that you list without burning down the entire system and starting over. Obviously, enough change will not occur with the arrest of one producer, but the necessary change does not require thought police to regulate the thoughts of boys and the registering of p**ises. There is middle ground, whereas all-in commitment to extreme initiatives comes with hidden political costs.
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"thought police to regulate the thoughts of boys and the registering of p**ises"

Deadbox, do you remember what I said about the problem with extreme things that only seem to come from people who hate the relevant activists?
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Do you remember what you said about a really wide cultural shift? A cultural shift is something I can potentially support. What some of these groups are proposing is far more than a shift. Check out the websites. M4BL especially calls for more than a "shift."

I understand your concern about setting a tone of fear. My concern is about people not reading the fine print.
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My concern is you make stuff up about what's in the fine print.
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