Equal opportunity is the way, not identity politics

You know what? I'm willing to take that risk. If we DEFINITELY dismantle white supremacy but MAYBE black supremacy will take its place, I'm kind of feeling like rolling the dice on that.

black hitler

Unlikely. Let's roll the dice and find out.

nope

Well, let's take a vote on it.

Men? You know that's the plural, right?

Yup, Besides BHO there have been other powerful Black folks

You said "the most powerful spot".

Oh my God, we got a real smart one.

And Nelson Mandela spent decades of his life imprisoned and his whole life fighting for racial equality. If you think his experience is comparable to that of a white president I'm really not sure what to say to you.

You used the presidency as an example and the word men, you implied something that isn't the case.

when you are in a hole stop digging

Gardening are you? You know you're thinking out loud again?

I saw what "Move" did in philly they were the Tan Klan

I saw what the police did in philly to get to MOVE.

Yea, that damn Wilson Goode.. look him up

Black people are people like anyone else, being capable of evil too. Just like you can get a JFK or a Joseph Stalin, you can get a Nelson Mandela or an Idi Amin.

I'm willing to roll the dice. If we DEFINITELY dismantle evil but MAYBE more evil takes its place, then screw it - I'm down.

Okay, I'm just pointing out that people need to be careful, because if we replace white supremacy with black supremacy, we're back to square one.

But with a playbook on how to change things. Again, willing to roll the dice. What can I say, I'm just not as jittery about the Big Bad Scary Black Man as you are.

I am going to assume that you're willing to listen to reason.

I'm not scared and you are strawmanning (you know nothing about me outside what I've put on this site - for example one of my parents was black and from Africa, I'm mixed-race). I am pointing out hypocrisy of the movement, that racism isn't exclusively form white people or against black people and warning that in fighting one type of racism people need to be careful that they don't allow another to take its place.

I'll listen to reason, but you're not being reasonable.

There are certain changes that we need to make in this country. And I mean we NEED them. Too many people are dying because we're not making these changes and it's going to cost us more and more to ignore the things we HAVE to do.

When a general is ordered to bomb a bridge during a war, you never hear the general say "but if we bomb that bridge today, they might build a stronger bridge tomorrow." You never hear it. "I can't bomb that bridge - if I do, they'll reinforce it with anti-aircraft turrets." No. They just do what needs to be done. If the enemy DOES reinforce it tomorrow with a worse bridge, anti-aircraft turrets or whatever, then they reassess the situation and deal with it tomorrow, but you will never hear someone say "I can't attack that target or a worse target may take its place."

It is nonsense.

We cannot back away from the message that we are not OK on justice just because maybe if we do, a worse person might finagle his way to the very root of the power causing the problem somehow.

You're trying to caution us to play nice with a specific threat that is real now because there vaguely might be a different threat if we do. This is bullshit. Racism doesn't get solved when you play friendly.

What specific changes do you think are needed? Indiscriminate rioting and looting, collective guilt and violence resulting from those two isn't going to solve racism either; if anything it'll do the opposite.

I am fine with peaceful protesters (apart from thinking the protesters gathering in large groups are being irresponsible given the COVID-19 pandemic is still a threat).

I am against the rioters, especially since George Floyd's killer Derek was fired and arrested BEFORE any protests or riots started and they're damaging black-owned businesses too.

I am against the people trying to blame all white people and/or all police officers for the actions of some. Collective guilt is the bedrock of prejudice (if one was to apply that same logic against African-Americans due to gangs like the Crips and the Bloods, or the Japanese because of the Yakuza...)

I am against people trying to co-opt the cause of fighting for injustice to push political agendas (eg; some protestors and rioters only care about using this as ammunition against Donald Trump specifically - they don't care about George Floyd or anything African-Americans may be facing - despite the fact that others have said the problem existed long before Trump became President).

I'm not saying we need to not be okay with injustice, I am saying that while fighting one injustice we ALSO need to make sure we don't pave the way for another while also saying some of the methods being used are ineffective. For example, how is looting and/or ravaging the neighborhood of people like Stephanie Wilford going to help the cause? https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-woman-on-looting-after-george-floyds-death-i-have-nowhere-to-go-now

The problem is you can't legislate love; no law can eliminate prejudice - including racism - as the legal system cannot undo human nature. The law can only state what should and should not be done and punish those who disobey. Also, to quote Nietzsche (while I disagree with a lot of Nietzsche's views and nihilism, even a broken clock is right twice a day); "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster."

"After contemplation, I conclude that this award which I receive on behalf of that movement is a profound recognition that nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral question of our time – the need for man to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to violence and oppression. Civilization and violence are antithetical concepts."

Martin Luther King Jr (from his speech upon being awarded the Nobel Peace prize), and he was facing a lot more injustice than there is now because he did this back when the Klan where in their heyday and the Jim Crow Laws were in force.

Read the whole speech. I don't have time for you today, sorry.

"We must never substitute a doctrine of Black supremacy for white supremacy. For the doctrine of Black supremacy is as dangerous as white supremacy. God is not interested merely in the freedom of black men and brown men and yellow men but God is interested in the freedom of the whole human race, the creation of a society where all men will live together as brothers."

- Martin Luther King Jr

Already read it. And you're just making excuses to hide that your point has been undermined. Have you read the speech? If not, here you go; https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1964/king/26142-martin-luther-king-jr-acceptance-speech-1964/

If you've read it then you know exactly which parts you deliberately skipped just so you can make your point and I'm tired of people doing that. And you're not entitled to my time - if I don't have time for you, then that's the end of it. You're not special.

"Oh my God, we got a real smart one."

F**k context, right?

Why do I keep checking imgflip? Why is there a part of me that enjoys this epic insanity?

Haha! Same. Also, if you're using a device that enables you to be already *in* bed, surely there's no problem?

I deliberately made sure my bedroom doesn't get good Wi-Fi for this exact reason.