Truth ON Race....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

The Washington Post started keeping track a few years ago and that's where many people go to for statistics on this issue. Blacks are killed less often, but the percentages of blacks is higher...then again, if you look at crime rates, they commit a disproportionate amount of crimes as well, which makes the numbers add up. That's also why their incarceration rates are higher. If you feel like doing the research and a little math, you'll come up with roughly the same numbers as Bob. He didn't pull those out of his ass. One number he didn't cite, was that officers are 18 times more likely to be shot by an African American than actually shooting an African American.

One thought: is it possible that discrimination is what drove those blacks to do crime? Is it possible that us whites are the ones who set them up to go down that path? I'm not liberal, but I do think that it's (to an extent) our own fault. You are welcome to disagree.

Your point is taken with respect. Historical context drives much of this, but too many are clawing their way out of the projects and making good lives for themselves to allow this excuse to keep the others from joining. There is a culture in the black community which celebrates thuggery and hip hop lifestyle, so much so, that when a criminal dies, it is he who is a hero instead of all those who dared to strive for better. George Floyd, for example, just got out of prison about 5 years ago and has been a lifelong violent criminal, was on fentanyl and methamphetamines when he was arrested. Yet, now all these people are saying what a wonderful guy he was...his victims probably tell another story. That doesn't mean he deserved to die, and to hell with those cops for being a part of it. Just gotta put that out there.

Incidentally, those facts are public record. You'll be seeing more as some of these guys on here find out. The point is...how are they to overcome the pressure to be like this, when it isn't coming from outside, but within. Every black person that points this out is a "coon" or "uncle Tom" and every white person a "racist". And, because of that, this generational curse will continue in perpetuity. I laid out my own history above in another comment, but I grew up in an all black (except us) neighborhood just outside a huge ghetto area in our city. That doesn't give me street cred, but those guys, what's left of them, are still my friends. And there are two groups: those who rejected the call of the hood, and those who succumbed. I still chat them all up, but they are all in different financial situations based on their own decisions. I'm not sure how one can continue to blame whites for their ills, while their neighbors are making choices, getting out, and writing their own destiny.

What are you talking about? George Floyd was a Christian man who had a ministry in Boston and moved it to Minneapolis shortly before his death. Here's an article about this subject: https://www.miamitimesonline.com/faith_family/george-floyd-was-a-christian-man-of-peace/article_628ec50a-a5b2-11ea-abc6-376708b1abe6.html

As for the culture of thuggery among many blacks... again, I think that was caused by the whites who treated them as thugs and criminals, even though they weren't originally such. But, get treated like an outcast and a criminal long enough, that's what you become. And yes, I daresay that they internalized it, and turned it into a way of life so they wouldn't have to deal with the pain head on. Does that justify their choices? No. Does it justify our discrimination against them? No. Should we try our best to forgive, forget, lay aside the past, and work towards mutual understanding and friendship? Definitely.

But, again, this is my perspective. Think of it what you will, and you are again welcome to disagree.

I'll just say one thing about the man's faith, and leave the rest alone. He was high as a kite when he was arrested, after passing, or trying to pass off a counterfeit bill. His faith, apparently, was more internal than external. Being a Christian doesn't make you a better person. If anything it makes you more aware of how bad you are, given one's internal convictions coupled with the ministry of the Holy Spirit to condemn sin. His actions were anything but Christian in nature, so I'd wouldn't parade that claim around to much if you think it buttresses your claim that he is a good man. It doesn't. If anything your claim, coupled with his actions, do more to expose hypocrisy in the Christian life than anything else I've seen.

I looked it up, there is nothing that says he was high. As for his criminal record, he had repented by the time he got out of jail, and was actively trying to become a better person. I don't think that he realized that the bill was fake.

But you can think what you will. I still respect your opinion. And thank you for the feedback. I'm glad that I'm not the only one thinking for myself.

The autopsy report...and the 911 call. Both say that he was high. The 911 call describes his behavior. Given that they found fentanyl and meth in his system, no alcohol, the high description fits.

Operator: How can I help you?
Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.

Operator: Okay, what type of vehicle does he have?
Caller: And…. um he's got a vehicle that is ah…ah he got a vehicle that is ah…one second let me see if I can see the license. The driver license is BRJ026.

Operator: Okay, what color is it?
Caller: It's a blue color. It's a blue van.

Operator: Blue van?
Caller: Yes, van.

Operator: Alright blue van, gotcha. Is it out front or is it on 38th St.?
Caller: Ah it's on 38th St.

Operator: On 38th St. So, this guy gave a counterfeit bill, has your cigarettes, and he's under the influence of something?
Caller: Something like that, yes. He is not acting right.

Operator: What's he look like, what race?
Caller: Um, he's a tall guy. He's like tall and bald, about like 6...6½, and she's not acting right so and she started to go, drive the car.

Operator: Okay so, female or a male?
Caller: Um…

Operator: Is it a girl or a boy?
Caller: (Talking to somebody else)—he's asking (inaudible) one second. Hello?

Operator: Is it a girl or a boy that did this?
Caller: It is a man.

Operator: Okay. Is he white, black, Native, Hispanic, Asian?
Caller: Something like that.

Operator: Which one? White, black, Native, Hispanic, Asian?
Caller: No, he's a black guy.

Operator: Alright (sigh).
Caller: How is your day going?

Operator: Not too bad.
Caller: Had a long day, huh?

Operator: What's your name?
Caller: My name is [redacted].

Operator: Alright [redacted], a phone number for you?
Caller: [redacted].

Operator: Alright, I've got help on the way. If that vehicle or that person leaves before we get there, just give us a call back, otherwise we'll have squads out there shortly, okay?
Caller: No problem.

Operator: Thank you.

Sorry about that. Maybe I got a little carried away. But to me, that's what fits the evidence best. I know I've already said this way too much, but you are welcome to have a differing opinion. God bless you, and have a great weekend!

There were two autopsies. Only one (the one done by a hospital) showed positive for drugs. The other one (the one conducted by doctors paid by his family) didn't have those results. I think the hospital performing the "official" autopsy was paid by someone to publish those results.

As for the phone call, it doesn't add up. Why didn't they just explain to him that the bill was fake? Even if he was a bit loopy (which I doubt he was) he would've understood. I'm pretty sure someone forged that call and publicated it.

And even if he was on drugs, it's perfectly possible that someone duped him, just to set up this whole scenario.

this doesn't make it okay to kill him.

And even if he was high, how does that make it okay in any way for a police officer to slowly murder him?

“That doesn't mean he deserved to die, and to hell with those cops for being a part of it. Just gotta put that out there. “

That is my comment from up above.

Well, judging by your words, you’re not doing a very good job at changing my mind right now.

then counter with "the truth" cowboy! actually they do, but don't let dhat stop you...provide evidence, facts...don 't just self proclaim...how lame..

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