Vaccine Meme

I am ready to end this. It's time to stop the theory, once and for all with this one fact:
The reason autistic people get much more vaccines then normal people, is that so they can attend special schools.

We need a law where Anti-Vaxxers are given life imprisonment, and the death penalty.

We’re winning the war... YES

Vaccines DON'T cause autism. It's just science, also vaccines are better then the problems before, so #betterthanworse ❤

really, you idiot! vaccines DONT cause autism.

Vaccines were made to prevent diseases: https://www.wikihow.com/Deal-with-Anti-Vaxxers

Actually there are a ton of studies done by independent groups (not pharmaceutical companies) that prove autism is caused by vaccines.
Not only that we know the chemicals and adjuvents added to vaccines cause autism and other issues if they get into the brain outside of a vaccine.
We also know vaccines are very ineffective (for instance the flu vaccine is at max 16% effective when they pick the right strain).
Do some research and find out for yourself.

Liar, if you really have done research you would have known the truth.
Vaccines save lives.
Also, Albert Einstein and Mozart had autism, were they treated?
And I bet you don't even know about autism that much, I have autism, so I can tell facts from lies.
Plus independent groups are basically the same as trusting trump, they look good and try to make themselves look good, but they have no backup evidence and if exposed, *both have been already* they have no hope left. If you really did research, you would know vaccines do NOT cause autism.

Certain vaccines in history have saved lives, but universally most vaccines are rarely effective.

List of studies:

https://www.oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U-S-children.php
"The high-titer measles vaccine, was withdrawn after several randomized trials in west Africa showed that it interacted with the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine, resulting in a significant 33% increase in child mortality [11]. Evidence of safety from observational studies includes a limited number of vaccines, e.g., the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, and hepatitis B vaccine, but none on the childhood vaccination program itself."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29962551/
"Comparing cohorts with universal vaccination to those without vaccination, relative prevalences were 0.24 (95% confidence interval, CI: 0.16-0.35) for HBsAg and 0.23 (95% CI: 0.17-0.32) for HBcAb."
Difference of 0.24 (at most).

https://www.jpands.org/vol21no4/miller.pdf
"After pneumococcal and hepatitis A vaccines were added to the immunization schedule, babies began receiving 4,925 mcg of aluminum during the same age period—a 25% increase (Figure 1).9,10 In 2011, CDC recommended that pregnant women receive a pertussis vaccine (Tdap), which also contains aluminum.11 Studies show that aluminum crosses the placenta and accumulates in fetal tissue.12 Thus, millions of babies in utero, infants, and young children were injected
with, and continue to receive, unnaturally high doses of neurotoxic substances—mercury and aluminum—long after unsuspecting parents were led to believe that vaccines were purified and made safe."

We know that aluminum and mercury can cause all kinds of issues in humans when its in the blood stream, yet we continue to add it to vaccines.

“Our results...suggest that a causal relationship may exist between the amount of aluminum administered to preschool children at various ages through vaccination and the rising prevalence of autism spectrum disorders.”

If you examine the timelines, you'll notice that deaths from disease went down BEFORE vaccines were introduced and went back up after:
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/02/24/robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-bill-gates-his-relationship-with-big-pharma/

An article that lists a bunch of studies:
https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/vaccines/2015/03/23/id/631823/

You honestly don't have enough evidence, newsmax is fake news, and google is a better source of information, plus the theory that vaccines cause autism has already been disproven. Plus you haven't answered my other question, about if you actually know what autism is, so can you answer me? plus the most recent link you sent on westonprice isn't effective because, with better knowledge they would have known that vaccines don't immediately take action, they take a while to remove the symptoms and a while longer to eventually eradicate the diease. Plus, one of the most reliable sources of information which takes weeks of research, kurzgesagt in a nutshell, made a video about vaccines, in which he teamed up with experts to make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkVCpbNnkU
Are you still convinced that vaccines are more harmful?
Well do some research on websites that aren't those, or even news websites, go on things like youtube and google, not news websites tiktok, or twitter.
Plus I have autism, so I know that the vaccine rumor is false. Any rumor is a terrible source of information. Hope you actually understand.
Also, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION TO SEE IF YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT AUTISM IS
after this, you will see the overwhelming amount of information that vaccines are good.
I'm surprised you even found links to those websites, because I can't find any website that isn't pro-vaccine. Plus, you still only have one piece of evidence that treatments cause autism, and it's your own words. Why can't you find a document that says vaccines cause autism, HUH?

Anti-Vaxxers believe in conspiracy Facebook bullcrap, I bet they failed health class! If Anti-Vaxxers say that Vaccines cause cancer, I'll lose my mind. I, myself have Autism, and these lies they believe offend me for that reason.

If you don't get vaccinated from whatever disease, these following things could happen to you: Scarred lungs, Scarred skin, Bad teeth, Partial or complete deafness, Blindness, Brain damage, etc. Why won't these idiotic Anti-Vaxxers just learn the facts and listen for once!

Eh no. There is no such thing as 'fake news' only fake news stories. Please refute the facts that I presented and stop your reverse appeal to authority (This source put out a bad article, therefore nothing they say could possibly be true).

"The Theory that vaccines cause autism has been disproven."
Actually no. It hasn't. In order to prove something false you would have to show some studies where they compare children that get vaccines and those that don't and show that there is no difference in the number of children with autism. That has never been done.

"link you sent on westonprice isn't effective because, with better knowledge they would have known that vaccines don't immediately take action, they take a while to remove the symptoms and a while longer to eventually eradicate the disease."
Scientists claim that vaccines take effect within a few days and in less than a few week depending on the vaccine. However negative side effects from vaccines can be observed minutes and hours after getting the shots. So your point here is moot.

The reason you can't find any links to anti-vaccine websites or studies is that you are using Google. They are well known for manipulating their search results. In fact it looks like PubMed got scrubbed of a bunch of studies that proved that vaccines were harmful or ineffective.
I use non-corrupted search engines such as https://www.yippy.com/ and https://www.duckduckgo.com where they post results regardless of what their opinion is on them.

there is a study that has been done about the difference of the numbers of the vaccinated and the autistic, and it shows the numbers are not the same. Plus yippy and duckduckgo aren't as good as google. And really, you STILL have barely enough evidence about the autism claim.

Looking at the description of the video you linked I see this: "This video has been supported by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation" that immediately shoots up red flags.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/
Some quotes in the video:

"What doesn't kill you doesn't make you stronger"
Actually it does. When you naturally fight off a virus, you are not only immune to that virus, you become partially immune to similar viruses.

"[about memory cells] and this beautiful natural mechanism is what we build on when we use vaccines"
Uh no. When vaccines impart immunity at all (which is rare), they don't do it for very long. You have to get 'boosters' every few years. With natural immunity it can last a lifetime. Take a look at the studies about how long vaccines work.

"Live vaccines are the real deal" yes, Live vaccines are the live virus that is 'weakened', except it mutates while the immune system is trying to identify it and a way to deal with it. In that time, the people that got the vaccine are shedding the virus which may be weakened or may have mutated back to its dangerous form. There are studies that show this and this is why we had several measles outbreaks in the US. One outbreak of a virus was in a school with 100% vaccination for the virus.

The video fails to explain at this point what adjuvents are and how they work. Here I'll explain: An adjuvent is a chemical that is added to a vaccine so that the immune system will respond as if a dangerous invader has entered it. The better the immune response the more effective they believe the vaccine will be. Unfortunately the human body has a response because these adjuvents are actually extremely harmful to the body. If they weren't your immune system wouldn't have a reaction to them at all. The issue is that some people have a reaction so bad that they have lifelong health issues.

"Hundreds of millions of people were vaccinated against measles in the west." Yes, after the disease was nearly eradicated when parents stopped having "Measles parties". Before the vaccine the death rate of measles was super low because parents would send their kids over to the house of a family with measles and they would get it and then get a natural immunity which lasts a lifetime. If you've never got it naturally, you have to get 3-4 booster shots in your lifetime each time you are at risk for side effects.

about that video, did you not see the part at the 2nd minute where it says you can be immune to them forever?

Those Anti-Vaxxers are using those lies to make themselves feel better aren't they?

More about the video. "We don't do self reporting" Ah I see, so you only count the people that somehow manage to get their doctor to sign a paper that says your child was harmed by a vaccine, even though the doctor would get sued out of existence by the pharmaceutical companies? Ah ok. What about those people that go to the rigged vaccine courts that pay damages out of tax payer money? Sorry, can't count those because as part of their settlement they disavow any responsibility by the vaccine company.

I also find it hilarious when they are going over the side effects of not taking the vaccine and its like 0.0001% will get this tiny minor side effect. Yeah, by their own admission 0.1% of children die from taking the vaccine. Sorry but my kids would rather get diarrhea for a few days than die. Maybe you should ask your kids.

Then it talks about herd immunity. Which of course is nonsense. Herd immunity is when a population gains 70%-90% NATURAL immunity and thus prevents vectors of pathogens from getting to those that are not immune. We know for a fact vaccines are less than 50% effective on average and some are really low (like the 2019 yearly flu where 48% of the vaccinated still get sick, whereas 64%of the unvaccinated got the flu)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/2018-2019.html scroll to bottom.

Yeah, but the kids could also spread it to you, and the kids could suffer pernament hearing damage, and develop life-threatening conditions. And around 20,000 kids could die out of 210,000,000, and even the majority who survives will be left with extremely weakened immune systems, which leave other plagues to kill them. And if they vaccinate them, only 0-20 people will die, the most likely being 0. And really, vaccines save millions of lives, plus you don't talk about how vaccines kill people. And on a daily average, 300 unvaccinated kids will die from measles. Plus it states that pro vaccines use logos appeal, which is truth, and anti-vaxxers use pathos appeal, which is just how you feel about them and not based on actual facts. You probably are so sure that you are safe from diseases you don't care about vaccines. But without vaccines, there would be billions less people in the world. Without vaccines, serious plagues like black death, Ebola, and smallpox would kill thousands through millions per day. Vaccines are just like bees. Without them, we have no chance of survival in the coming years.

and for the link you just sent, the vaccinated percentage is the percentage of those who got vaccinated AFTER getting the disease.

and for the last time, google is a much better source of information, not duckduckgo or others. They don't rig the results, it's probably the majority of people use google, and the majority believes vaccines are good. So the anti-vaxxers go to unpopular sites to set up their misinformation, because the majority are google users, google isn't corrupted. Vaccines are better. Your information isn't justified. Do you want me to send more links?
https://www.vaccines.gov/getting/for_parents/five_reasons
https://www.nfid.org/immunization/10-reasons-to-get-vaccinated/
https://vaccineinformation.org/vaccines-save-lives/
https://familydoctor.org/the-importance-of-vaccinations/
https://www.kpwashingtonresearch.org/live-healthy/all-articles/live-healthy-2014/vaccines-benefits-outweigh-risks
https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/
https://www.choc.org/health-topics/truth-about-vaccines/
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index2.html
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/
let me steal your words. "I'll stop there and let you respond so you can't claim I'm giving you too much info to respond to."

This one shows that people that get vaccines can cause outbreaks:
https://www.westonaprice.org/studies-show-that-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease/

I'll stop there and let you respond so you can't claim I'm giving you too much info to respond to.

So no refutation of the facts? Ok. Next!

for the last time you are actually leaving the claim that vaccines cause autism and the question I've already asked you many times, do you know what autism is? ANSWER ME! Or, you're probably just out of evidence and we win. :P

"Autism is a developmental disorder characterized by difficulties with social interaction and communication, and by restricted and repetitive behavior. Parents often notice signs during the first three years of their child's life. These signs often develop gradually, though some children with autism experience worsening in their communication and social skills after reaching developmental milestones at a normal pace. Autism is associated with a combination of genetic and ENVIRONMENTAL factors"

I've never been officially tested, but many people claim I'm highly functional autistic.

The important part is in all caps.

how does this prove vaccines cause autism-
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/04/vaccines-no-association-autism-major-study/
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/
https://www.poison.org/articles/2010-oct/vaccines-do-not-cause-autism
https://www.healio.com/primary-care/vaccination/news/online/%7B8989901d-6362-4a49-82e8-e9da74b2073f%7D/more-evidence-mmr-vaccine-does-not-cause-autism-even-in-at-risk-children
only sending 5 links, dont wanna spam.
I've sent enough evidence to disprove the vaccines are bad theory.
for a bit extra,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJ7KoygkC4

Well since the first link is from the CDC (revolving door with big pharma), that one is out automatically unless there are actual studies listed in it.

The 2nd link's study only checks the MMR vaccine. So if they got say a flu vaccine they could still be counted in the 'unvaccinated' column. All vaccines with adjuvents can cause autism.

I don't have time to look at all the studies from the 3rd link, but browsing the titles I see that they only check one vaccine or a few vaccines and don't compare against completely unvaccinated people.

The next link pounds a single study and how the guy that did it had conflicts of interest while ignoring all of the pro-vaccine studies that also have massive conflicts of interest. It completely ignores neutral studies that have no conflict of interest such as population studies.

The fifth link, I can tell from the title has the same issue as the 2nd link.

I don't have time to watch long YouTube videos sorry.

When you get a vaccine, it injects a dead or weaken virus, so that your white blood cells know what the virus looks like so they can fight it off and prevent you from getting the disease.

They inject only small parts of everything you just said, besides, you aren't catching up with your lies as much as we are with our facts

and also, I don't remember where it was, but you sent a link that was from the CDC, so your anti-cdc claim is bullcrap. It's basically like somebody else getting a bad grade and you making fun of them, but you also have the same grade.

Which are only deadly if you are allergic to them

they inject low levels to prevent harm tho, you also aren't posting as often, now and here.

CDC is the central disease control, it is an extremely useful source of information. You can't throw that out the window, the CDC is one of the most reliable sources of information. If you can't finish reading at the 3rd link, then you can't disprove it.
Plus the 2nd and 5th links are because of the origins of the vaccines cause autism rumor originated from the MMR vaccine, and the major idiots decided that it could be cause be all treatments. Also, the youtube video was not intended as much for evidence as it was for shame, because the comedian was calling anti-vaxxers idiots.
Finally, what about the other 10 links I sent you above this comment?

My link was to a study on the CDC website. When the CDC says the flu vaccine is effective but a study on their own site says otherwise, even you have to admit they are caught lying.

About the MMR thing: And? Your explanation does not validate the study. Any of the 20 or 30 vaccines a child has before becoming an adult can be at fault. Studies on single vaccines are invalidated because they don't take into account other vaccines. The study I linked in another comment does take into account other vaccines and finds children who have never had a vaccine have a much lower rate of autism and other developmental issues.

Replies to below: I'm not posting here as often because you just used up all the replies and unlike you I have a full time job. They inject small amounts which are still deadly to a lot of people. We know it can cause harm in the blood stream at those levels. Why do we do it?

They don't just inject a dead virus. They inject aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, dead animal cells, chicken egg parts, bacteria, antibiotics, and other chemicals, which is what we object to.
They also mistakenly inject live viruses occassionally and we can't sue them for it.