What's the difference between the Ku Klux Klan and Antifa? About 100 years and how they feel about white people.

I know, right?

Do you research any criticisms of left-wing politics and groups, or just jump in to defend leftism any way you can?

This says "used to" harass Republicans - as in "they are put to that use", not "formed" to harass Republicans. Throughout history, Republicans have been doing more good for black people in the United States, while Democrats have done more harm; for example, it was a Republican President who issued the Emancipation Proclamation (Lincoln... and another who gave black people further rights - JFK), while Democrats created the Jim Crow Laws.

Are you sure Antifa doesn't target Republicans?
https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/17/republicans-embrace-group-that-wants-to-destroy-them/
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2019/06/06/watch-antifa-member-tries-imprison-republican-students-room-regrets/
https://www.breitbart.com/local/2018/10/09/antifa-attacks-log-cabin-republicans-booth-at-castro-street-fair/

Antifa has hopped on the left-wing's "Islam is a protected group, and criticism of them is Islamophobia" bandwagon. As for the KKK, some people wrongfully associate the KKK (a group that burns crosses, is based on hate and murderously opposes black people and Jews most of all) with Christianity (a religion centered around a Jew who told people to love everyone - including their enemies - as themselves, has the Cross as a holy symbol and has followers of all backgrounds). The KKK has a couple of commonalities with Islam; the KKK handbook - the Kloran (yes, that's really what its called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kloran ) - is derived from the name of Islam's holy book - the Qu'ran/Koran - and both a similar view on black people.

Citation needed about the reason the KKK burn crosses. Also, identifying as Christian doesn't make you one, especially since they still fail the other criteria. Richard Dawkins called himself a cultural Christian, does that make him Christian?

Good to know.

Muhammad called Ethiopians "raisinheads", brought, sold and traded black slaves and said that anyone who called him (Muhammad) black should be killed - probably because he also said that Satan looks like a black man. Sound like things the KKK would approve of even though they don't officially support Islam, and Muhammad is the gold standard for human conduct according to Islam.

Muhammad also called Jews "the worst of creatures" (along with Christians and idolaters), and though Jews and Christians are called "People of the Book" in Islam, in Islamic societies at the time Jews from certain categories (and Christians and other non-Muslims) were forced to pay protection money to Muslims to avoid harassment... I mean, had to pay an extra tax called the Jizya on top of existing taxes simply because they weren't Muslims.

Second-class - or worse - status specifically for black people and Jews, two things Muhammad and the KKK have in common.

The KKK was formed after the Civil War to fight Republican reconstruction in the south. The KKK targeted teachers, republican senators, carpet-baggers, and of course, blacks. Everything about them was against Republicans. And their movement was a big success. Republican voters were nearly eradicated in several counties. Go back to US history class.

Antifa literally believes that Republicans are fascists. Antifa stands for “anti fascist.” Everything they attack is about a republican ideology.

Antifa identifies with Islam more than any other religion. They demand respect and equality for Muslims. Funnily, however, Antifa also goes against Islamic teachings like “women are less than men,” “LGBT is bad,” and “Killing infidels is the key to salvation.” (Actually the third one might be an Antifa rule as well.)

By the way, did you know the KKK's handbook is called the "Kloran"?

Just because they call themselves Christian doesn’t mean they are or they follow Christian teachings. If they’re not a good example of Christ, it shows that they really aren’t saved.

“No True Scotsman fallacy.”
Oh no. A big scary phrase followed by the word fallacy.
Nope. You’re just assuming that people are Christians when they say that they are without them giving any evidence of such. The KKK people only picked and chose Bible verses that “supported” their beliefs about slavery (because they interpreted it as such). That’s not a Christian lifestyle. It would be if the entire Bible did directly, but it doesn't.

Show me in the Bible where it says that Christians are never going to sin. The Christian belief is that they are in the world but not of the world. In the world they are still prone to sin, but Christi took the blame for them and has made them right with God. That’s the basic Christian belief. However, since Christians are not of the world, they are called to give evidence of their salvation. It’s called spreading the Gospel. So, by the same logic, Christians are saved. Not perfect.

I know what a No True Scotsman fallacy is. And it’s definitely not what I said. A Christian is only a Christian if he fulfills everything that the Bible defines for the standards. We have standards for what a Christian is and is not, and it’s in the Bible.

“Evidence like what?”
Evidence of showing saved status: Loving others as yourself
Doing to others as you would have them do unto you
Knowing that just because they’re saved doesn’t mean they can continue sinning.
Believing that all human life is valuable since humans were made in the image of God.

The KKK doesn’t love others as themselves. They hate blacks. They hate republicans for wanting equality for blacks.
Did the KKK kill blacks because that’s what they wanted done to themselves? Nope.
The KKK believed that killing blacks and (white) republicans was the right thing to do.
The KKK actually believed that blacks were not made in God’s image.

“The Bible says it’s okay to own slaves.”
You’re trying to modernize history. Slaves back in the Bible’s time were different from slaves today or even in the Civil war. Slaves were respected. They were not tortured. They lived with their masters and they were cared for. Biblical passages on slavery talk about how slaves and slave masters should act towards one another. Jesus even lowered himself to a slave’s position when he washed his disciple’s feet.

“Have you read the Bible?”
Yes. And I would ask you the same question because you don’t know what defines a Christian.

“How do you know Christianity is true?”
“TheBigPig believes Christianity is true.”
Oh. I’m sorry. Did I say that? Nope. I didn’t. I have not given my opinion on Christianity at all just like I didn’t give my opinion on Islam. Just because I explain a religion to you doesn’t automatically mean I believe it. This isn’t a debate on whether or not Christianity is true. It’s about the KKK doing things (wrongfully) in the name of Christ.

“How is that evidence of being a Christian when non-Christians do that, too?”
Non-Christians don’t do it out of humility. Non-Christians don’t believe that people were made in the image of God.
Luke 11:42-44 shows that those actions can be in vain.

“Slaves in Biblical times were not respected.”
Yes they were. Some slaves were more educated than their masters, and they often taught the master’s children. As slaves, they had many opportunities in their master’s household, and if they weren’t there, they’d be beggars on the street. In fact, that’s the main purpose why they became slaves because they had nowhere else to go. Most of the time, they voluntarily became slaves. The only exception was if they were POW’s or criminals. They were not free, but by the age of 30, most slaves would have earned enough money to be able to buy their own freedom. Does that sound like disrespect to you?

“Did Jesus define that?”
Yes. Matthew 22:36-40. And the KKK doesn’t do it.

“The KKK hating Republicans doesn’t apply to modern day.”
Remember what you said? “The KKK wasn’t formed to harass republicans.” I’m not talking about modern KKK. Even if I used the present tense. I’m proving to you that the KKK was in fact formed to harass republicans. But I’m going to do that on the lower part of this debate.

“Hagar was r**ed”
First of all, this is a different time than Jesus’ time, and secondly, no. Abraham slept with her. Sarah gave Hagar to him because she was afraid that God was not blessing them with a child. It says nowhere in the passage that Hagar was r**ed.

“Christians themselves can’t agree on what defines a Christian.”
Correct. They don’t. The Bible does. There are separate denominations, but the core belief is, Jesus died for their sins and all they have to do is accept that. Catholics don’t believe this, but they’re not part of the actual Protestant faith. And don’t even get me started on the No True Scotsman fallacy on this part.

“Do you believe Christianity is true?”
STILL trying to pin the argument on me!? That’s the 7th time this whole debate. I’m not giving my opinion on it. It has nothing to do with the KKK doing stuff. In fact this whole part is literally derailed from KKK stuff.

How do you know its false? Especially since your arguments boil down to repeatedly using the "Hitler Ate Sugar" type of Ad Hominem fallacy, Double Standards, the Association Fallacy and the Comprehension Fallacy.

What is a universal negative? How is a universal negative something that can't be proven? It sounds like you're trying to be sly and move the goalposts.

What would you consider a testable, verifiable and objective way God could manifest? Sounds like you're saying something along the lines of God should be a trained seal who barks on command. If I don't show you my birth certificate or a picture of myself, does that mean I don't exist? Or vica versa means you don't exist?

Why is my position on the issue relevant to this topic? How is you understanding my position going to help you?

I did prove that marriage is not a human right based on citing how human beings who fall under the category of a close relative or a child should not be a marriage option, and those who say otherwise are wrong... and this is something we agree upon.

How is my stance on gay marriage relevant to a comparison of Antifa and the KKK? I talked about marriage in response to you bringing up the anecdotal point about conservative Christians opposing LBGT equality by trying to understand how you define LBGT equality.

How is "who I think gets to decide who can marry and why" relevant? I could ask you the same question because I proved marriage isn't a human right by listing two groups of people who shouldn't be options for marriage.

By asking these "who decides who should and shouldn't be able to marry?" type questions when I say children and close relatives shouldn't be options for someone to marry, you're digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Just like I asked you to provide evidence for your beliefs; and the idea that a negative cannot be proven is false; for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem

By the criteria you gave for a universal negative in your "there's no life anywhere in the universe", then neither can we say for sure "there is no God."

You claim there is evidence that would convince you of God's existence, yet how do I know you're not lying, and are just in denial about whether or not God exists? For all I know, God could've shown you that evidence then you moved the goalposts by saying something like "I'll only believe if 'xyz' also happens".

You claim that I'm having this conversation with you. For all you know, you could be hallucinating (Dawkins cited this as a reason why he supposed he'd never believe in God), I could be an A.I., this could be a Matrix-style simulation... just citing the types of arguments I've encountered by atheists in denial about God.

I'm not shifting the burden of proof, he can still answer that question. I don't even know if TheBigPig is Christian; your talk of burden of proof sounds like a cop-out.

They do not fit the criteria of being Christian. At most they're cultural Christians ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christian ); the KKK are as Christian as Richard Dawkins or Anders Breviik (a white supremacist terrorist who is an Odinist who considers Jesus' message pathetic but endorsed Christianity for cultural reasons). Mussolini gave cultural endorsements of the Catholic Church despite being an avowed atheist, did that make him actually Christian?

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is LORD," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 9:10

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21

"Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:34-40

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?" Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:43-48

"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen." 1 John 4:20

Based on these passages, and the KKK's goals, they're failing to love others (Jesus said to love even your enemies and they're murderously hating people based on ancestry, skin color and/or semantics), love God, are guilty of heresy, murder... they fail the criteria of Christianity as a whole (if any members are truly Christian, they're going the wrong way and need to get out of that group ASAP).

Asking for Jesus' forgiveness is part of it, but lip service doesn't work. The other verses give indicators of how to tell the genuine from the fraud.

Your example of conservative Christians is flawed; 1) disagreement does not equal hatred. 2) It depends what you mean when you say LBGT equality. It's not hatred of gay people, for example, to just disagree with gay marriage, despite what some people say (marriage isn't a human right, as children and close relatives cannot and should not be married).

There's a difference between saying you're doing it and actually doing it; Richard Dawkins considers himself a cultural Christian despite believing God does not exist (and considers God tyrannical based on his view of Scriptures), being hostile to religion and wants it done away with... but does saying he's a cultural Christian make him a Christian?

You're just reaching for anything you can to justify your worldview to yourself, because these facts and arguments chip away at it.

Yes, and I have also heard many more non-Christians and non-religious people who don't know that disagreement does not equal hatred... especially among the "words are violence" SJW crowd (who are often either affiliated with new age religions or staunchly non-religious). I can't think of examples where LBGT people should be denied rights heterosexual people have because I don't consider marriage a human right for the reasons I already stated. It's just like voting democratically in the U.S isn't a human right; children, illegal immigrants and convicted felons can't vote.

Poor choice of words about marriage on your part; I gave two examples of groups people who should not be allowed to marry (children and marriage between close relatives - sibling, parent/offspring...) you replied "Who decides who should be allowed to marry?" Be careful, some people could construe that as you saying close relatives and children should be options for marriage...

...but I won't because I know that's not what you meant. I used those two as examples to debunk the argument that marriage is a human right when it's clearly not.

Maybe my arguments prove things wrong, and you choose to follow them anyway. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, all I have to go in is your word and for all I know you could be lying.

“Not Republicans specifically.”
Which part of “attacking republican senators, teachers, carpet-baggers, and blacks” did you not read? Based off what you said, I’m betting you skipped all of it.

“They attack what they see as fascism.”
Which part of “Antifa literally believes Republicans are fascists” did you not read? Based off what you said, I’m betting you skipped all of it. Look up the word “Antifa.” It’s going to show you the definition that that they fight far-right fascism.

“You have a source for this claim?”
Heck yeah.
Here’s a quote.
“Most Muslims in this country are no doubt law-abiding and peaceful and have as little to do with sharia as other Canadians. However, the lack of knowledge with which Antifa operates makes it ignore the fact that though Muslim belief is diverse, its Islamist faction pursues a set agenda: establishing parts of oppressive sharia in our tolerant nation. The herd mentality of Antifa prevents it from seeing these important differences among the Muslim population.”
And the source.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/hassan-what-the-antifa-herd-mentality-doesnt-understand-about-liberalism

“Do you have a problem with equality for Muslims?”
Nice try shifting the argument onto me. I didn’t give my opinion on equality for Muslims.

“They aren’t an Islamic organization.”
I never said they were. I said they support it above all other religions. Read the article.