Just a heads up on COVID 19 prevention.....

Virtually every state without a stay home order, has a Republican governor.

And 8 out the top 10 states with the most COVID-19 deaths have Democrat Governors

That's because they have people. You know, places where people actually like to live.

Why do so many of those happy people move to Florida and Colorado and mess them up like the $hithole states they come from? We all wish they would stay home. Happy as they can be. Close to the ocean, surrounded by family and friends and just happily leaving us alone. Seriously.

And secondly, what do your comments have to do with people who wear protective gloves when they get in their cars, contaminating their cars and then drive away without gloves? Why do they remove the second glove with a clean hand incorrectly? Why do they wear a mask, many not even over their noses and no eye protection. If they weren't depending so heavily on inappropriate use of PPE thinking they are safe, they would use a little better judgement, wash their hands and other methods that work without PPE. When they use PPE incorrectly they contaminate themselves believing they are protected. I've just made my living relying on good PPE practices for a number of decades. It's not as easy as just opening a package and putting it on.

You think not knowing how to use PPE effectively is a Dem vs Repub problem? Hardly. People not knowing what they are doing will continue in both red and blue states. At least they are trying, instead of leaving their state wide open to exponential virus growth till 1000's end up dying. Trying to do something is better than being completely ignorant and not knowing math.

Yes, from my observation in 8 major airports over the past two weeks. You'd be surprised how many people still wear Hillary gear. I do know math, do you know reading for comprehension? I said " FOLLOW THE LEAD OF CERTAIN DEMOCRATS AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND PROTECT YOUR FACE FROM EXPOSURE LIKE THEY DO." Pelosi and company are not setting up commissions to help the American public get through this crisis alive, no, they are setting up commissions to blame Trump and impeach him again. That to me is having your head up your ass, where by the way the five (hope that math isn't above you) primary sources of introduction (the eyes the nostrils and the mouth) are all covered. Oops, a little satire there. And the media? They were doing well for a while just reporting the facts as they evolved every day, then in an unrelated matter, Trump's poll numbers started going up so they want to jerk coverage of the daily COVID1-19 briefing and focus on discrediting Trump. Boy now that's some helpful information on getting through this--NOT instant qualifier for the heads up their asses prize.
Math? What's the key ingredient that is missing in all these models and projections that essentially makes them meaningless? I don't have all day for your accusations about my ignorance- it's a sample- a representational cross section of the population to see who has, has had or doesn't have the virus since more than 50% of carriers (based on best guesses) show no symptoms. when there is finally widespread, generalized testing of a broad spectrum then we know if 5% of the population has this or 90%. We don't know, yet.
Note- this was a humorous reminder to everyone to use it right. Except you of course, you already know everything. Peace weirdo.

It's always been about testing. S. Korea prevented a catastrophe by testing and following the trails of those infected, quarantining those who needed quarantine, not the entire country. I couldn't agree with you more.

The problem is, Our testing has lagged for months. We should have been testing in January, Feb and March. Nothing. Why? Why the wait?

At this point, testing is too late. The damage is done.

After 9-11, Bush spoke to the American people and said, "You are either with us or against us", setting up the endless wars we've seen ever since. During a crisis is is NOT the oppositional parties job to counter the Prez narrative! EVER! This in no way can be blamed on Dems, other than agreeing with NAFTA and other trade agreements that have helped make America a country in need of others during a crisis.

I hope these are serious and honest questions, I have some background in this and a number of professional affiliations I socialize with, so I'd like to answer some for you without coming across as snarky. First, testing kits are not necessarily broad spectrum, they are extremely specialized to specific viruses. Broad spectrum testing for unknown pathogens involves growing cultures, isolating what grows that isn't the source of the problem and then identifying what has been heretofore an unknown pathogen. This unfortunately takes a lot of time. The initial test kits approved by DHS/HHS were as close a match as we had readily available and turns out showed a 30% false negative infection, totally inadequate. We were testing in January, that's how the first case in Kirkland, WA was confirmed. Testing continued to the extent possible while the process of mapping the genetic code of the virus was executed in record breaking time- literally days rather than months, again this is no easy process and the team that pulled this off is AWESOME! All this time we were testing, it took time to find the most effective places to swab- which for this one is painfully deep in the sinuses near your eyes (we don't swab the sinuses for strep throat because that's not where the greatest concentration of pathogens is- it took time to figure out where to get the best specimens). Identifying specific antibodies takes time, we're chock full of all kinds of them.
With outbreaks like this, historically by the time researchers have waded through the red tape and developed a vaccine it is no longer needed (the herd immunity concept you hear about) and those vaccines rarely go to market. By clearing red tape, Trump and his team (he's not acting alone, he's surrounded himself with the best people he can get from the beginning in January- when the media complained his team of experts was "too white."- and when a decision has to be made he has done it based on the best information he's gathered)

I met Trump briefly in the late 1990's and will attest that he asks incredible questions and listens very carefully. He was respectful to everyone from the lowest level to the top- it's a shame his TV persona is all most people know of him.
We have to acknowledge that compared to very recent similar situations this one has been on a blistering fast track, no matter how slow it seems. Keep in mind US fatalities are around 11,000 since mid January- H1N1 was around 4 times more lethal at this stage.
Now this is where the context begs some serious questions. World leadership hit panic mode on this when numbers didn't justify it so let's look a little more deeply.
First off, the Chinese people are incredible, the Chines government is evil to the core (first hand experience to share some other time). These should be bullet points, I'll try to minimize analysis. The 13 first known cases in China involved human to human transmission, the bat soup story is a ruse, the wet market origins do not line up with the facts. Wuhan is home of three virology labs, 2 primarily conduct research to head off potential future viruses - every major virus from the 1918 Spanish flu to the Hong Kong flu (which I had as a kid-whoa!) H1N1, etc has originated in China. The third lab deals with warfare biologics from a defensive and offensive perspective. The first Chinese case was contracted November 17, 2019 and the Chinese govt did not report it to WHO as nations are required to do. Every early medical professional who reported their findings have died or literally disappeared. Just recently the real scope of the spread in China has been revealed. In China, citizens have to use cellphones for almost everything from arranging health care to transportation and for government tracking. A report by the Chinese government that tracks cell phone compliance shows that around 21 million cellphones have virtually disappeared from use since November. The rate of growth in cellphones has been close to 4 million/month- this decline is notable.

Everything about the world response has been irrational in respect to past situations. I earnestly try to avoid conspiracy theories- but when you consider this handful of points and several others, it is very plausible that someone doing research may have been accidentally infected and unknowingly unleashed this virus. One early Chinese researcher reported that the virus appeared to be engineered from MERS, SARS and HIV viruses. That report has been purged by the Chinese and the researcher has vaporized. I think world leadership reacting to this claim or claims similar to this is responsible for the irrational things that have happened and I think on a worldwide scale the people have had the facts withheld to avoid mass hysteria while everyone works frantically to contain this much earlier than any other virus we've encountered.
Don't think I'm being dismissive of the seriousness, I've lived through the smallpox and polio quarantines of the 20th century- eradicated in most of the world but now starting to rage again in some 3rd world countries. And please don't think I'm diving off the kook fringe diving board. Our media should be asking serious questions about this but they are intent on hanging this situation solely around Trump's neck. I've gotten all this from numerous sources but one article deals with much of this on Gatestone Institute's website look up "Coronavirus: China's Great Cover-up" for an actual journalistic inquiry. Thanks for wading through this if you made it, Hope it helps us find some common ground.

1. “South Korea is a democratic republic, we feel a lockdown is not a reasonable choice,” says Kim Woo-Joo, an infectious disease specialist at Korea University.

"South Korea’s experience shows that “diagnostic capacity at scale is key to epidemic control,” says Raina MacIntyre, an emerging infectious disease scholar at the University of New South Wales, Sydney. “Contact tracing is also very influential in epidemic control, as is case isolation,” she says."

"After the novel coronavirus emerged in China, Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) raced to develop its tests and cooperated with diagnostic manufacturers to develop commercial test kits. The first test was approved on 7 February, when the country had just a few cases, and distributed to regional health centers."

2. S. Korea had an approved test on Feb 7. THIS IS WHAT WAS NEEDED!!!!!!

3. Make pages of excuses for why America could not do this. Length cannot Trump substance. EVER.

4. In no way can our response be considered, "blistering fast track", considering S. Korea.

5. H1N1, in NO WAY was more lethal.
H1N1, 1 year death toll, America 12,500
Covid-19, 4 mo death toll, America 12,700+ Likely thousands higher by full 4 months

H1N1, "R" number 1.46
Covid, "R" number 2-2.5

Mortality rate
H1N1, .02%
Covid, around 2%

Whatever reasons for China's lag, makes no difference in how we lagged vs S. Korea. You're making excuses for poor American government.

I can't "reply" to your last comment, only flag it. You are living proof that bigots can't read and understand a thing- the genetic mapping was done in record time- a mere statement of fact. I never used the term "blistering fast track", you missed everything I said that agreed with you. South Korea is a close neighbor of China, they stay on top of the shit coming out of China better than anyone, and for survival they are on top of it more than any other country on earth. We should have asked them to send us 350,000,000 instant test kits when Obama was president. You are gonna die from that high blood pressure, maybe have an anurism. Stay ignorant SPatoingoboingo.

The blistering fast track was a comparison to past bureaucratic bull shit

"We have to acknowledge that compared to very recent similar situations this one has been on a blistering fast track, no matter how slow it seems."

I do not have high blood pressure. It is you, forgetting what you've said, (which would be easy to do considering how MUCH you said) and it is you who seems to be losing your shit.

Please list where I've been bigoted in my response.

Exactly how we could ask Korea to send us 350 million test kits for Covid-19 while Obama was Prez, escapes reality.

Comparison to past performance. How long did it take Obama to respond in 2009? You know the virus that was going to destroy life as we knew it then? Blistering speed by comparison. The vaccine was developed and approved 18 months after it was no longer an issue.

Obama's fault? Hell no, the system is pathetic when rapid responses are required. So let's just blame Trump for something that has been in place for decades. Trump has cut years out of the conventional processes we have used in the past.

How we could ask South Korea for instant tests when Trump is President escapes reality.

Bigot- a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. Fits you to a tee. I tried to start a reasonable dialog to see what you think, share some ideas.learn a little from you. You proved you are a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. Hence- BIGOT.

You said, "Obama should have asked S. Korea for 350 million test kits. Obama hasn't been Prez since 2016. Covid-19 was new Dec. 2019. Understand?

Timeline H1N1: First case was in CA, not China, making closing the borders a non-issue.
April 15th - 1st case
April 17th - 2nd case, no known connection to 1st case
April 18th - Reported to WHO
April 22nd - Work begins on developing a vaccine (7 days from 1st case)
April 23 - Two cases discovered in Texas, making it a multi-state problem
April 25 - WHO declares a public health emergency of international concern
April 24 - CDC uploads the entire gene sequence
April 28 - FDA approves the first test to detect H1N1 (13 DAYS AFTER 1ST CASE)
April 28 - CDC issues guidance on closing affected schools in the area
April 29 - WHO signals H1N1 will become a pandemic
May 5 - Peak number of schools closed 980 affecting almost a million students
May 6 - CDC updates information on possible antiviral medications
July 22 - Clinical trials of a vaccine begin

That's just over 3 months from the first case. It did NOT take 18 months AFTER it was no longer an issue.

First orders of vaccine placed by states on Sept 30
First doses given in the US on October 15.
December 30 - 1st 100 million doses of vaccine available for ordering

A bigot, is almost always reserved for people who are intolerant toward another race or religion. You have made multiple untrue statements, of which I've called you out on, (which I've just done again) and you don't like that. That, does not make me a bigot.

Whatever, you are Nostradamus in the flesh. Knows all tells all. Lifetime accomplishments? Critic. Never did a thing but bitch. By the way. How many of those 60,000 ventilators are we going to need. You know the ones GM and Ford are making? Sure filled up that hospital ship in NYC. Sure glad Dr. Faucci can hide behind Trump when he is gloriously wrong. Better close the nation down for 18 months. Yup. Obama gets a pass, Trump deserves execution. The truth means nothng to you.

This is your post.
"Whatever, you are Nostradamus in the flesh. Knows all tells all. Lifetime accomplishments? Critic. Never did a thing but b**ch. By the way. How many of those 60,000 ventilators are we going to need. You know the ones GM and Ford are making? Sure filled up that hospital ship in NYC. Sure glad Dr. Faucci can hide behind Trump when he is gloriously wrong. Better close the nation down for 18 months. Yup. Obama gets a pass, Trump deserves execution. The truth means nothng to you."

Why didn't you just stop at, "Whatever"?

Lifetime accomplishments? This isn't about me.
Never did a thing but bitch. Am I bitching? That post above, looks like bitching.

We don't know how many ventilators we'll need. This isn't over yet. We should all know that having them and not needing them is a hell of a lot better than needing them and not having them!
I have not heard anyone say we need to close the country down for 18 mo.

No one likes this. I want things to go back to normal as much as anyone but going back to normal too early, just means we drag this out longer and more people die.

You can put your own price on what you think each life is worth. How many days a closed government that each life is worth. The money saved by going back early means nothing to the people who die because of it.

Whatever. Your so f**king smart run for president.

You're definitely smarter than Biden good old Alzheimer's Joe

You know what? Even better than that, go tell Dr Faucci to pack his bags you're moving in. It's been his job to protect us from this stuff for 40 years.

You mean the man that counters every Trump lie with the truth?
The man that Trump would not allow to answer a reporters question 2 days ago?

Yeah, there is no need for Faucci to leave. I'm sure Trump will get rid of him as soon as he thinks he can get away with it.

No I mean the man whose job it was for 40 years to see this stuff coming and who advised Trump to implement social distancing and quarantines. Trump should can hi, he failed and people died.