The Mueller probe unearthed evidence that was bad enough, but Ukrainegate is way worse for this reason.

they caught him red-handed exhorting the Ukrainians, not colluding with them.

Right, Ukrainians don’t really care either way who wins the U.S. election. They just want continued military aid and continued bipartisan support

Which is exactly what Trump and Giuliano’s pressure campaign put at risk!

That is indeed extortion

Giuliani* for some reason my phone always auto-corrects that to Giuliano

I don’t even know any Giulianos

you're thinking of Joe Biden

oh wait, they didn't "catch" Biden ...he straight-up confessed!

literally a living metaphor

Three basic things that made that different:

1. Biden was assigned to make that threat.
2. His threat was an expression of U.S. displeasure with the *lack* of prosecution of Ukrainian corruption under the old prosecutor, not too much prosecution
3. No evidence Biden did this to protect his son. Hunter Biden was on no one’s radar until Trump and Giuliani put him there.

Don’t let the surface-level similarities fool you. This was a legitimate threat of withholding foreign aid to achieve a thing of interest to America.

Not a thing of interest to one’s own re-election campaign — which is what the announcement of a Ukrainian corruption investigation on Hunter Biden would have done for Trump vis-a-vis Biden (who ironically is probably not going to win the Democratic primaries anyway, possibly because of this).

But now half the country thinks Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are corrupt anyway with no investigation whatsoever — so there ya go, Trump’s ploy worked even without any direct assistance from Ukraine

well at least you admit it was a threat ...with a clear "quid pro quo" according to Biden, "He" was completely in charge of Ukraine, not Obama

"lack" of prosecution?? the guy was investigating Burisma, that's well documented

"No evidence" ? how about just plain ol' "circumstantial" evidence?

You are deluded. you know as well as i do, if Trump done anything like this, you'd be screaming for his head.

"Trumjp's ploy worked" I stand corrected, you are completely deluded

To be precise: Trump achieved the end-goal he was seeking, which was smearing Hunter and by implication Joe Biden. He did not achieve opening a corruption investigation on them, but there are two ways to skin a cat.

I've seen so many memes on this very site calling Hunter Biden a crack-head, etc. and it is all because of this. He just never would have made the news sitting on a company board in Ukraine except for that phone call

I'm positive Trump's Administration can and has withheld or threatened to withhold foreign aid in other contexts, as have Obama and many presidents since.

But when you're doing it to smear a political adversary? That's an abuse of power

You are the one who would be screaming if Obama called up, say, the President of France and asked him to "look into" Trump's children the year before an election, on the basis of sheer rumor, and withheld billions in foreign aid to France while doing it

According to Vitaly Kasko's documents Shokin let the Burisma investigation go dormant.

so did you get a chance to check the date on that video yet? I'm interested to hear if it changes your position or not

It does not. The video (which I’ve seen before) is totally irrelevant as I already explained above. See: my 3 bullet points a couple of comments above.

If I’m wrong and this is in fact smoking-gun evidence of Biden’s own corruption, then by all means, prosecute away

But it’s not, and they won’t, because they can’t. This was simply a proper exercise of foreign aid leverage as a tool of diplomacy.

The GOP is so uninterested in this that they did not even call Biden as a witness at the impeachment trial. They just wanted to wave an acquittal of Trump through with as little of a fuss and record made as possible.

that is the most pathetic comment i've ever read. i can only hope it's the most pathetic you've ever written

but i have my doubts

I’m not wrong: it’s just a small gesture to your side

"wrong" doesn't even come close. "delusional"

So it's okay to withold aid to a country that could investigate possible corruption while being a sitting vice president though not to ask for an investigation into corruption??
1) He (Biden) did say he got the Ukrainen government to fire the prosecutor that was in charge of the investigation fired (Not wrong apparently)
2) Phone call with transcripts provided is a political move worthy of impeachment
3) I truly wish all witnesses would've been called, including Hunter and Joe Biden

Sorry for autocorrect spelling of Ukrainian....

4) You, neither will others agree that Joe Biden was and is corrupt as is Romney and others

Oh sure now Romney is instantly corrupt as well because of his impeachment vote

Put up with some evidence to back this claim or shut up

it had nothing to do with Trump's phone call ... we've known about this for years. Biden made no secret of it

"basis of a rumour" ...Biden admitted it! Here's the original source video, with timestamp

https://youtu.be/Q0_AqpdwqK4?t=3129

At least look at the date the video was posted and then come back and tell me how this is a "rumour"

It was a quid pro quo, young Goofus. Just not an illegal one. Why do I have to repeat myself a million times on this site?

You don't "have" to repeat yourself, you do so because parroting left-wing deflection points is all you have

I don't think anyone has said Biden's admission to bribing the Ukrainian govt. was "illegal" per se, we're just calling out his nepotism that protected his son 's company from being investigated for corruption. You would want the same for Trump, right?

How is a legal negotiation between two govts a bribe? You must know that what Trump did was morally wrong. You know you dont have the facts to make the same claim against Joe. Sometimes you just have to admit you lose, pal.

Trump acquitted on both counts ...I wonder how Joe will fare when he's finally investigated?

"If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money" that qualifies as a legal negotiation between two governments? WOW!

here's Joe admitting the bribe himself https://youtu.be/Q0_AqpdwqK4?t=3129

Why is it "morally wrong" to investigate possible criminal behaviour from a VP that DIRECTLY implicated his own son?

If you were my student, I'd explain for the fifth time. Since you just like to argue, I say Bye instead ( :

no please explain, why is Joe biden bribing a foreign government to fire the one person who just happened to be investigating his son's business ...is not worth investigating

See my Bullet Point #3 in comment above, and comments by others here

Your question has already been answered many times

Here it is again: The Burisma investigation was dormant and there’s no evidence Hunter Biden himself was at any point a target personally