When they call you “racist” for merely saying Muslims are typically of a darker complexion.

That IS racist, as well as rather ignorant.

One billion Muslims of every race and ethnicity in every corner of the world, including being the majority in Caucasia proper as well as the country named after those whom racist Europeans falsely claim as their ancestors, as well as in Europe itself.

Even if I’m wrong, which I’m not, merely describing someone’s skin color is not racist.

Yes, there are many shades of Muslims (they live all over the world), but: The overall color palate of the world’s 1+ billion Muslims is darker than that of white Europeans. And is, I think, a reason for a lot of the hate directed against them.

Since you took the time to do this, I hope you are calling out Timber1972 for his far, far more hateful views on Muslims

Of course you are.

"white Europeans" - whatever that means. There are more Chinese that are whiter than there are Europeans of any shade, from pink with freckles to olive toned.

Have you not seen my comments to that raging bowl of fetid puss?
In fact, I was waiting for you to answer his question to you but had to do it myself since you didn't.
Since he evades my replies because he can't counter them, it would be preferable if you did yourself.

He’s not replying directly to me so I’m not getting those notifications.

I don’t know why you’re picking a fight with me, really. What terminology would you prefer I use rather than “white Europeans? Blonde blue-eyed Nordics? (But you may find issue with me limping Danes and Finns together!) Well, I didn’t intend to be that specific.

We necessarily have to pick a level of generality when we discuss these issues. It’s simply not racist to describe someone’s skin color. It’s racist when you start saying bad stuff about that.

Yes, he is. Your meme above was a quick reply to him.

I'm not picking a fight. Your statements are simply incorrect and limiting those defined as the 'other' in accordance to their religion + skin tone as opposed to 'regular folks' (so-called white).

I may have issue with what I have issue with, not with what others tell me.
btw, Danes and Finns have an admixture of Asiatic (Mongoloid).
Likewise mixed are the Soumi in Finland which often have blonde/blue yet are categorized as an Asiatic people from Siberia, not European.

Identifying people by categories separating them into the 'other' is an act of racism.
Strictly speaking, racism is race-ism, as in a belief in...

If merely identifying persons by categories separating them into an other is an act of racism... then is this statement racist?

1. “Obama is a black American.”

And is that statement any different than this statement?

2. “Obama is a closet Muslim born in Kenya and is no true American.”

With statements like #2 going on all the time, it simply makes no sense to classify statement #1 as “racist.” Maybe in a pure philosophical sense... but even then I disagree.

A person’s skin color is a fact of life. And it’s a fact of life that informs their lived experience. Recognizing someone as “black,” and celebrating that fact, is incredibly life-affirming and one of the most anti-racist things we can do. In my opinion.

Of course it's racist.
Obama was not "black" - heck, his skin ain't even brown, ask Kim Kardashian. Is she "black" because she's darker than him? Is she Muslim?

Going by ethnicity, race, etc:
Obama's father was Kenyan,
Obama's mother was Irish-American

In Africa, Obama would be considered 'white'

Categorizing certain people as separate, as sub-groups, as other-Americans IS racism.
Racism doesn't require getting beamed upside the head with a bat for certification.

But we’re not talking what Obama *would be* considered in Africa. We’re talking what he is actually considered in America. And in America, he is considered our country’s first black president. I dare you to deny that.

Not by racists, mind you: he is called so by other black Americans. They celebrate Obama’s achievements and look up to him. He inspires them. I dare you to deny that also.

I don’t know how you feel about Ta-Nehisi Coates, but he’s our most prominent public intellectual on race issues right now, and he calls Obama black. See: “My President was black.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/508793/

Again, I think you are being too overly pedantic in your definition of racism and ignoring the social and political context in which it operates in America.

Race and racism both exist in America, and well-intentioned people who want to improve things for people of color should not censor themselves and take away their own vocabulary.

WE are not talking the same thing. I am talking about what a mulatto would be considered in Africa, no prompts nor permit slips required.

Dare to deny what?
Done told you his ma was of Irish decent.

Many so-called "blacks" (according to the myopic media) initially were hesitant on him because he seemed too 'white.' Nor was he the first 'black' Pres (look that one up for giggles)

I do not care about Appeal to Authorities. I live in the Bronx, and don't need links to know what WE in a real world setting feel about whomever and whatever, including this racist categorizing dressed up as faux celebration for the sake of PC forced altruism.

heh heh, on a sidenote: I can change ethnicity, race and more in front of you, simply by telling you where my mother was born and then again with my father. The sheer idiocy of people making assumptions about me at first site then switching based on a simple place name is a true joy (I never say where my father is from till it's time to pull that nuclear Ace card out of my sleeve because it's funnier that way)
Humans are so........ limited.

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/08/toni-morrison-wasnt-giving-bill-clinton-a-compliment/402517/

This is almost always what people refer to when they talk about "first black president" outside the context of Obama, so when you vaguely referred to it I thought you meant that.

Your admonition to me to "Google" is not exactly helping. Are you talking about John Hanson, or about any of the other U.S. presidents who possibly had a bit of Negro ancestry in their blood? (This was one of the first Google hits: https://fookembug.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/the-seven-black-presidents-before-barack-obama/)

If it's John Hanson, it appears he served as "president" under the Articles of Confederation before the U.S. Constitution was adopted and Article II created the office of President as we know it today. This is indeed an interesting factoid that I was never taught in school, but I don't think it overturns Obama's historic achievement, and it does not totally re-shape my worldview. Same goes for the other U.S. presidents with possible claims of Negro heritage -- I do not doubt that all of them were basically white for all intents and purposes.

Heck, I may even have Negro heritage myself, since my Dad was adopted and does not know his birth parents. But: it's pretty clear just looking at me that I'm white, and that's how I identify as in public and online and is the way I answer on all my government forms.

Not to take away at all from your experience living in a very diverse neighborhood. But, most places I've been in America and certainly in the city in which I live, racial categories are a lot starker.

I. do. not. do. links.

The Hanson thing is silly Afrocentric revisionist nonsense ("But he looks darker on the $2 bill, so he Negro!"). Them and these Alt Reichers should get together and be done with it.

The Bronx as in THE Bronx, New York, New York. 1/3 foreign born, 1/3 1st generation born, 1/3 2 or more gens. I assure you, there is no place more mixed than ye olde gateway.

Indeed, it is becoming clear we are not really talking about the same thing at all

It appears that you like to view the topic of race in somewhat of a philosophical vacuum, or at least disconnected from politics; I view race as inevitably connected to the real world and its gritty political realities.

I know exactly what you're referencing without looking it up: and no, Toni Morrison slyly calling Bill Clinton America's "first black president' does not change the facts on the ground about Obama.

No, I'm talking about racism as what is is, which is racism.

I done told you I AM the real world, in the most ethnically mixed place on Earth in history ever. I walk past more Muslim homes in a couple of blocks that you've seen in your life from the way you're talking.

You're talking about justifying racist categorizations for the purpose of exploiting them for politcal purposes.

No, Slick Willy is NOT what I was referencing.
Google.

btw, where are my upvovtes? Been upvoting you since you got here. That one upvote on your meme here (whose point I disagree with) is mine.

Basic courtesy to upvote comments & memes we reply to. Some of those which got some of your low rated comments visible again were from me.
On a site like this, that's the only way to keep them visible.

OMG! I was thinking about my replies that’s all...

No one else is here though. Does it really matter? I’ll go ahead and upvote, sure, but geez — THIS IS SOME AGGRESSIVE UPVOTE-BEGGING

I don’t really care about upvotes and no one is going to collapse these

I do try to remember to upvote in politics threads when it’s clear there are a lot of downvotes being handed out since collapsing is annoying and it’s important to commend our compatriots in hostile territory.

It's basic courtesy is all.
No need to upvote mine, if I needed them I'd be posting memes.
For the longest I only had one, a running joke of sorts.

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Link to article associated with this photo: https://www.npr.org/2018/04/12/599215203/americas-next-generation-of-muslims-insists-on-crafting-its-own-story