Happy Baby

Take the "B" and turn it into a "D", then turn the "R" into a "P". Good to go. The ending of innocent human life is a bad thing. Take all the definitions and legalities out (murder vs. killing vs. whatever, fetus, cluster of cells, embryo, etc.) and that is exactly what it boils down to, ending an innocent human life. I see the majority of abortions as failed adoptions. Our outlook on this as a society is broken. Women are praised and encouraged to "be brave", go ahead, have your abortion, it's ok...and prospective adoptive parents are treated like criminals and subjected to criminal background checks, endless paperwork, fingerprinting, and must demonstrate to the entire world that they can be parents. Want to get pregnant naturally? There's no legal process for that, just do it. Can't get pregnant and want to be a parent regardless? Jump through flaming hoops and empty your savings account while displaying your entire life history and credibility to more government agencies and authorities than it takes to buy a house and you're good.

There are tons of adoptive parents out there that would love to raise that child being considered for abortion, I'm one of them and I speak for an entire community of those that are in the same shoes.

Hmm....but dad, Ive been thinking...what if the mom will 100% will die if she gives birth to the child? What then?

This comes up as an arguement FOR abortion on many many occasions, but the reality is that this is the minority of cases where abortion may be considered. It's one case that if pro-choice advocates will concede that most cases of abortion are made as post-conception birth control, I will discuss the implications of it along with cases of rape and incest. In other words, it's not all or nothing. But if someone's arguement is that if one might consider abortion if the mother's life is on the line then why not in all cases? I dont discuss abortion with those types, their approach is a sledgehammer, which does not garner respect for me in a discussion.

That said, to answer your question my stance is pro-life. Period. Whether the child's or the mothers, all life is a gift not to be thrown away. I also plant my stance in my faith, and say that if God creates both lives, He will decide which to call home first. It is not our decision to decide that fate. I also recognize that people who do not share my faith may have a hard time understanding that concept and thus it may be unpopular, but regardless it is what I believe.

Oh, Im pro-choice, but Id rather the person would have the baby, you know what Im trying to say?

its just that recently I saw an argument in a classroom about this type of thing 'what if the mother will die?' type scenario, and to be honest, I didnt really know what to think of the situation. I wasnt trying to argue with you, I kinda just wanted a person with morals to help build mine...sorry.

We all have morals darlin! And I'm not arguing, I'm just telling you my position. I also happen to be passionate about life!

Doesnt matter if you're pro choice or pro life, you are important in this world. Just try to think about ALL lives when you make your choice ok? My (non imgflip) adopted daughter could have been aborted, and she wouldn't have been a part of my life. And I couldn't imagine my life without her now.

If you would rather the person have the baby, why do you also support their choice to end that life?

I'm not coming down on you, I just want you to think for yourself and consider the whole story. I didnt actually have a stance on this until my wife and I could not conceive naturally and was forced to consider the true fate of ones life either thru IVF or adoption. I made my mind up one night when Hilary Clinton stood on stage one night and praised all women that had had an abortion for being so brave. At that time while trying desperately to adopt a baby, I could only think, what if the birthmother of my child heard that message and decided right then to have an abortion and my childs life was ended?

I could not control myself, ended up sobbing on the curb outside my house at 11pm in the pitch black. My wife finally found me and convinced me to come back inside, I didnt sleep all night, couldn't get that thought out of my head.

So, theres (some) of the backstory to my passion! Again, you have to make your own decisions, but you asked me my opinion and now you got it! Take it or leave it. Love ya, mean it ;)

How are you feeling these days anyway? I haven't been on much lately.

I think it’s better to adopt than actually uhh......
Well, you know.

That's where I'm comin from!

Not that I want a kid anyways.

Ah...I mean, yeah I do have morals, but to make my own, I take morals/advice for morals from people who I see with good/strict morals that I also agree with, so that way I can build my morals the best that they can be. You you see what Im trying to say? Im not all that good with words...

I...I dont know. I think its because I dont want to upset anyone, so I try my best to find the middle ground and stick with that. But...if the mother was a victim of rape, and she ended up getting pregnant, I think of things like 'what if she ends up hating the child because the child was born of rape?' I wouldnt want the mother to have the child if she was just going to end up hating it...of course, I wouldnt want her to kill them, either, as there are some other alternatives, like giving the child up for adoption.

But then again, there always seems to be a slight pattern to most rape cases here on the border. They all happened late at night, when all the lights are out and everyone is back home. Im not saying they deserved it if it happens to them, but if you know the risk and still go out, you kinda have to deal with he consequences? I dont know what Im trying to say here, I hope you can understand me...

I just...want everyone to be happy, so I kinda take the middle ground so people will maybe be satisfied enough. But...at the end of the day, I think I would rather the woman have the child, but she should also have the right to abort it...its not right, and its very sad, and it should ALWAYS be an educated choice, rather than, like you said, a form of birth control after the baby has been conceived.

Oh, Im actually out of the hospital now! I got discharged on Friday, last week!

And...yeah, I can see why you would think that way. I think I would be the same way as you if I were put through your situation....Love ya too.

I see what you're saying chica, whatever you form as morals make them your own ok?

Let me ask you a question...is it the baby's fault that his/her mother was raped? A victim of circumstance to be sure, but the real crime is the father (or mother) having committed rape which I find particularly disgusting and horrible. But I think it's the sin of the rapist that should be atoned for, not the life of an innocent child. Give the man a public castration, make a eunuch out of him in front of all mankind. And then do that to every rapist from there on out. Set an example.

Glad you're out of the hospital! I'm sure you're glad to be out of there!

Remember, my words are only my opinion, form your own. And dont worry so much about making everyone happy, I can tell you that you will never be able to do that! Make your own way and be proud of it. I'm proud of you for asking the hard questions.

I will! Thanks dad!

And....well, no. Its not their fault...
And, well, can I ask one more question? Um...what if the kid who got raped is really young, like...6-7-8-9 years old? Should they be forced to have the baby? I think that it should be their choice, because like we've said before, its not the baby's fault, but isint it kinda cruel to make a little kid go through all that?

Ah, thanks! Im glad to be back in school!

...My IRL dad never says hes proud of me....thank you...

I gotcha, and that's a great question. Those are very early ages to even be able to get pregnant, but I suppose it could happen. If it did, it would be very very high risk because the girl would not even be fully developed to the point she could safely deliver the child. Still, although it would be a terrible thing for the girl to endure it is not as terrible as the crime of the father. Neither the girl nor the baby should be punished. Tell me, what is worse, to end an innocent life or help a young girl go through something she is completely unprepared for? Yes, it would be unfair for the girl to have to endure a pregnancy that early, but to me the sin is that of the father's. The girl is already traumatized by rape, that will last a lifetime and I can speak from experience on the effects that has on a woman, I know two very close people that have gone through it at a young age no less. So, more trauma will happen, either by having to endure a pregnancy or having to endure an abortion. Both will be haunting for a lifetime. Personally, were it my daughter (that age would require parental consent for abortion) I would see her through the pregnancy and coach her through adolescence that she saved a life by sacrificing a piece of her own, as opposed to trying to explain to her that a baby was killed.

I also say all this having never been in that situation, and I'm in no place to judge anyone that has been. God help them should it ever come to pass.

This is deep stuff, there is no clean answer. And it is sad that there are those out there that would take a scenario as unlikely as the one you gave and use it to say that regardless of circumstances all abortions should be legal.

And you deserve to be prided in, you're a smart cookie ;)

I think what you said about coaching your daughter is a good idea. Sometimes it can be better to sacrifice some of you for someone else, rather than sacrificing a part of you for the easier route, you know what Im saying?

And, like you said, theres always going to be the trauma from rape, thats just how it is. And, weather you chose to keep or abort the baby is still going to cause emotional trauma whichever one you chose, but maybe if you chose to keep the baby, it will kinda make the fact that you had to deal with the 9 months and delivery kinda less bad? I dont know, Ive never done it, but I think that would kinda help a bit. If you just abort the baby, you have to live with the guilt of that choice, and theres not that much of a good side or a silver lining to comfort you, you know?

'Theres no right or wrong answer' Yeah, I guess there isn't, because with everything really, you can cut and slice everything in such different ways you can make everything have a bad side...I just wish there were easy answers to this kinda thing, because it eats me up inside more often than it should...though I guess thats what makes it a hard thing to deal with..

Thanks dad...

All good thoughts, it's what makes us all unique! Good for you for thinking about the hard stuff, there aren't enough out there that are brave enough to do so.

Gotta jump off the flip for a while, dinner and an adopted baby girl are vying for my attention! Shes 3 today, hard to believe. Seems like just yesterday we brought her home. Your "sister" says love you, have a good night darlin' :)

Happy birthday to your daughter! Shes really lucky to have you, I mean it. And...you tell her about me? Thats...really sweet. Tell her I love her too for me? Thanks...

Hey, Thparks, I have an extra factor to add to the scenario:
What if the girl had no one to help and support her? Like, she's all alone.
Oh, and another one:
What if the rape occurred regularly? Like every day.
Wouldn't the man try to hide all evidence? Especially if he used murder as a threat the first time.

There is no opinion in this world that can make everyone happy. No matter what you think or believe in, there is always at least one person out there who disagrees and is unhappy with it. Heck, there are people who hate people who take the middle ground.
It's impossible to make everyone 100% happy. No matter how hard someone tries.

But I can still try.

Yes you can try, but this is like trying to fit an elephant through a keyhole. It's impossible...

I'll figure something out.

You can't... If God Himself can't make everyone happy then what do you think the chances are for humans like us?

But if God made me like this, personality wise, then thats gotta mean something, no?

I don't think that can be considered a gift from God...

Maybe, maybe not, but, this is how I am, so this is what Im gonna do.

Look, I think you were made like this so you can bring joy to all the people you can. But, you can't make everyone happy. That's just beyond anyone's power.

If I can make as many people happy as I can, then, I guess I fulfilled my purpose well enough. If I upset someone, I do try to make it better.

Then that means you're a good person

No, Im not, it just means Im trying my best.

Yes, and that makes you a good person
You're motivated to try your best at making people happy

Hm, hey dad, I just saw this on the news but,

There was this woman who stabbed her 1 week old baby 27 times in the chest because she couldnt take care of it. ...if she was going to do that all along, wouldnt it have been better for her to have the abortion? Then the baby wouldnt have felt that pain? Of course, she shouldve given that baby up for adoption, but she didnt. WOuldnt it have been better for the baby to die via abortion rather than stabbing?

That stupid bitch should burn in hell.

wait a minute
which one is my dad again?

(sydneyB, I think.)

Hi uncle! Can I ask a question? Is the guy named SydneyD your alt?

Apparently not

Nope.

Huh...well then. Thanks for telling me.

No problem, niece.

The baby shouldn't have been killed period. I think what you are getting at is just defining different levels of sin. In this case, the woman was obviously crazy or something. If someone wanted to end a life it doesnt take 27 stabs to do it. That woman should be locked away for murder, it disgusts me that people like this exist in the world...

You found your colors yet chica? Hows your recovery going? Hope you're doing well!

*sigh* why is everyone talking about that? Why is it happening?

Everyone wants mono to get better, and I do to but I don’t know why

She was in an accident the other week, it's been a little while since I've checked up on her to see how she's doing, that's all.

Yeah, I know. It made me sad to hear about it....I think she did get life in prison, if it makes you feel a little better. (since I live in a small place, they report the same stories a lot. When I saw that, it was an old story from last year. They were saying that last year on that day is when she killed the baby)

And, rememeber our first conversation? Like, how if the girl is really young? Well, Cheez asked something, and I want to know there answer too. Here it is, copy-pasted.

Hey, Thparks, I have an extra factor to add to the scenario:
What if the girl had no one to help and support her? Like, she's all alone.
Oh, and another one:
What if the **pe occurred regularly? Like every day.
Wouldn't the man try to hide all evidence? Especially if he used murder as a threat the first time.

Oh...well, something really bad happened recently, so Im not feeling to good emotionally...physically, Im doing a bit better, I have gotten a few injuries since then, but those are healing up nicely too. Thanks for checking up on me.

"What if the girl had no one to help and support her? Like, she's all alone."

If she is not old enough to care for herself then she is either an orphan on the street or in a similar situation. To me, people like this deserve to have access to aid such as shelters or a foster family, but I don't think that justifies abortion. Just my opinion.

"What if the **pe occurred regularly? Like every day."

Then it is up to her, as with any rape victim, to speak up and turn in their rapist. Sadly this does not happen often enough as the girls/women are living under threat, are embarrassed, or don't feel empowered enough to speak up. There is a psychological condition that goes along with this.

"Wouldn't the man try to hide all evidence? Especially if he used murder as a threat the first time."

Yes, I'm sure that is a possible scenario, but again it is up to the victim to speak up or remain silent. If the offender is caught, then the biggest possible example should be made of them to show the rest of the world what happens to pieces of trash like that. Put them on international television and have them publicly castrated and flogged.

I still don't think you and maybe cheez are thinking about this the right way though, why do you give such extreme examples in the defense of the right to abortion? I'm sure these examples happen, but if they do then I don't know why the answer would be giving the victim a right to abortion to end an innocent human life, to me the answer is bringing justice to the offender and bringing aid to the victim to help them recover. Most abortion cases are done for convenience, or even to make profits on selling body parts to science. Should not the focus on abortion ethics be on this majority of cases?

Hm...I dont know actually....maybe its because I think that its only the extreme/rare cases that should even have abortion as a considered option....I dont know Cheez's logic, you would have to ask him....'ll bring it back to a more reasonable level, though.

Even if we do outlaw abortion, some girls will still try and get some. I can tell you right now in Mexico, there are these pills that if you take while youre pregnant (I think it can be during any trimester) it will more or less force you to have a miscarrige and kill the baby. The pills over there are over-the-counter, and perfectly legal, so even if we do make abortion illegal here, whats to stop a woman from going to Mexico and taking the pills? Or, even worse, what if a woman tries a more risky meathod, and she accidentally takes her own life? Then she and the baby would die.

Perfect timing! Reminds me of-
Nevermind it’s terrifying.

What if she was too scared? She had death threats from him, and she's only a little child? All that combined with the abuse and the rape eould surely break her.

I think we have to at least consider her mental health/condition instead of assuming she's strong enough to face it without any support

Not everyone is as lucky as us to get supportive people around us

And i’m talking about the last part, not about the baby and that stuff...

Well, if she couldn't take it. She should've just given him/her up for adoption instead of killing.
I don't think it would've been better for the abortion to happen, because she should have chsoe adoption instead of what she chose...

I know, but if she was going to kill the baby anyway, wouldnt it have been better to do it in the less painless way?

What if she thought she could do it
She thought she could take care of him/her
But ended up giving up halfway

Everyone’s talking about what happened to you.. I must know. We can meet on a private image.

What do you mean, 'what happened to me'?

You seem to be in pain.

Well, theyre just asking me about how well Im doing with recovering from the hit-and-run accident...

You mean satan with a car? There’s a reason why I’m so bend on order: ERADICATION.

*pats your shoulder* Dont worry about it. Im fine, see?

Oh, you have no Idea what’s coming to you. Youkre also lucky that you have irl friends on imgflip.

Ah, well, Murder_With_Standards is the only one I have....

At least you have someone.

You made
M e
Happy

*Pats you* Im glad.

Oh geez, not the head plz!

Do you tell your real daughter about everyone else in the family?