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3,715 views 3 upvotes Made by anonymous 5 years ago in The_Think_Tank
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2 ups, 5y,
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Further decrease the trust and faith? Can you go lower than 0%?
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1 up, 5y
A lot of ppl (parents & kids) put their faith in,it everyday, every year, play sports through it, March in bands in it, produce plays, and create art through the public school system. So I don't think it's at 0%.

Maybe if we'd stop letting low performing states determine the future preparation of the nation's most precious resources...(children in school) OR took the time to identify the risk factors associated with low performance...
we wouldn't be (around) 36th in the world in education.
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I think it should either be a public school or private school...charter schools are basically private schools funded with public money, which I don't think is fair. It shows a form of favoritism or elitism for children who attend them and the government should not be funding it. If parents want to send their kids to a nice private school, that's fine, but they should pay for it. The only funding the government should provide to any private school is in the form of evaluating the quality of the curriculum and making sure that kids graduating from them are well equipped for the workforce, but that would not be direct funding, only government assistance via evaluations. However, unlike public schools it would of course be to the private schools discretion as to how to implement any recommendations the government provides, if they implement anything at all.
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The rhetoric of teacher unions is overwhelmingly opposed to any public funding for charter schools. Yet they have no problem in supporting strikes whenever their own demand raises. And since it is the public that pays for those raises, the retirement packages, the insurance benefits, ect. I think their opposition to charter school funding is purely self-motivated, not to mention hypocritical.
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How is it hypocritical? because teachers want & deserve a living wage ? Could it be they are All underpaid And the regular public school teacher unions have more knowledge of allocation of funds?
I'm not downing charter schools, although I think if they lead to lack of diversity in the school body...theyre a mistake. I'm,just wondering if the teacher unions have more insight than the average person... and I also can't blame the charter school teachers for leaving the traditional public schools to seek, out better work environments.
My guess?
The public education funding in General is insufficient ...& the powers that be pit regular public school educators against charter school educators to keep the focus off the Top down problem.
But I'd like to see the #s.
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How is it hypocritical you ask. Let me reference the situation in my area's public school system as example: When our local lawmakers invoke a new tax or raise the current ones, some of this money is inevitably spent toward what they term "school renovations and maintenance". But in fact we see very little funding go toward things like replacing old buses, salt for the school bus routes, replacing basic school room necessities, repairing falling structures, offering sanitary napkins in the girls restrooms and so forth. The last tax increase has brought us brand new sports uniforms, additons to the HS football stadium, materials aimed at social awareness projects (LGBT and Islamic awareness and such ) and an eleven percent teacher salary raise. Now while I don't begrudge teachers being paid a living wage (there are many teachers in my own family! ), in this region a single teacher pulls in an average yearly earning of 42K (along with benefits and retirement plan), while the average income of two parents with school-age children is a combined 34K.

I wouldn't send a child of mine to a religious charter school (mine have all graduated now and if I had to do it all over again I'd home school). I am not Christian nor are many of my friends. But none of us are comfortable learning that children in the area are being told in the classroom that to like our current President is wrong and that America has never been great, or that they are being taught a complex course in sex ed before they are even old enough to be interested in sex. There are several other issues in play, too, though it'd take too much space here to address.

So I understand why parents are fed up with the public educational system, particularly with teachers unions. They are the first ones to demand a piece of the tax pie. What annoys parents more than this is that the modern teaching establishment is so heavily invested in undermining of parental intake in what is taught to our kids. This likely is, I feel, the reason many have turned to homeschooling and charter schools. So when public school teachers and unions argue that funding for charter schools takes away from their deserved pieces of the pie it does smack of hypocrisy. Apparently the charter schools are providing something they aren't willing to give in the public school arena, and this is respect for parental discretion and rights.
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1. "Apparently the charter schools are providing something they aren't willing to give in the public school arena, and this is respect for parental discretion and rights."
Charter schools are public schools with different oversight, different demographics and needs of the student body (I understand they contain fewer special education students and many have a less diverse student body than traditional public schools; but there is much variation) . I dont know any that are "religious" schools, I guess that depends on the region. Where Im from they call those private schools. So in terms of "vouchers" that makes sense. I have no frame of reference for "more respect for parental discretion" but in some states the curriculum in public schools is defined by the state legislature and administratively implemented by the local school boards/teacher organizations. Both entities can be impacted by the voting citizen and I assume, even an active parent teacher organization.
2. "...42K (along with benefits and retirement plan), while the average income of two parents with school-age children is a combined 34K."
So does that mean the teachers are doing better than "well enough" for your region? Are you comparing apples to oranges when you compare teacher salaries to two persons employed earning 17,000 a year each? Are they college educated? Do they buy supplies to TAKE to work? I'm questioning this comparison. I get that you probably said that because I mentioned a "living wage" but lets be real- salary is also about the time & educati
3. If all the money for the expenses associated with publicly funded schools comes out of the same pot- and charter schools and traditional public schools are in the same pot...it makes sense to debate How much and how those funds are allocated AND the student OUTCOMES of those schools.
SO, again are you asking and answering the right questions?
1.TOP DOWN - HOW MUCH money is allocated to that ONE POT ?
2.WHAT expenditures are being funded? in your area: " brand new sports uniforms, additions to the HS football stadium, materials aimed at social awareness projects (LGBT and Islamic awareness and such ) and an eleven percent teacher salary raise". 11%? in one year or over 3-4 years?
Ok I can see where someone would take issue with sports uniforms and stadiums. The latter may be an effort to thwart bullying and insensitivity of students to often marginalized and demonized groups. Which we ALL want, right?
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I considered responding to every one of your questions, but then realized that would be futile. You have your mind made up already. Besides, my original comment was to someone else so I am happy to let you think as you like. I wish you a good night, Hope.
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0 ups, 5y
ok, GN, norse
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