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75% of the Entire Congress’ Not Allowed to Enter Schiff’s Secret Impeachment Chamber

75% of the Entire Congress’ Not Allowed to Enter Schiff’s Secret Impeachment Chamber | ADAM SCHIFF'S; CHAMBER OF SECRET IMPEACHMENT | image tagged in chamber | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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You know there were Republicans in that hearing, right? And that there are 57 Democrats and 47 Republicans who are allowed into any impeachment hearing?

If there aren't Republicans in the room, it's not because they're being excluded. It's because they're not doing their job.
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75% of all House members are NOT permitted into the meetings at all and can NOT review the dispositions or testimonies.

Republicans who are members of the committee can not call witnesses, only the Schiff decides who testifies.

Members who attend the sessions are not permitted to discuss what the witness said specifically or what was discussed in the session. Only the chairmen can decide what documents can be made public. (Except Schiff seems to leak whatever he wants to get out to the news.)

Members of the committees can not get transcripts of the hearings after the session. So if they are unable to attend a session, they have no idea what took place in that session. These sessions go on for hours almost every day. The members of the committees have other duties they need to attend to and it would be impossible for them to attend every session all the time. Even Schiff doesn't attend every session, his staff handles the questioning and he then gets a transcript.

Members of one committee doing an inquiry can not attend the hearings of another committee.

The President's legal team can not attend the hearings, call witnesses, present evidence, cross-examine witnesses, or obtain transcripts of what was said.

This violates the constitutional guarantee of the right to confront your accuser, the right to review all evidence, the right to present exculpatory witnesses and evidence, and the right to representation by legal counsel.

The results of these hearings will be a report written by Schiff and his staff and then presented to the House. Based on this report alone the rest of the House will have to decide whether to impeach or not.

With Schiff's propensity to exaggerate and embellish facts, you don't see this as a problem?

No other impeachment inquiry in the history of the U.S. has ever been conducted without first having a vote of the full House to authorize it to even begin.

No other impeachment inquiry in history has ever been conducted in secret behind closed doors with no transparency.

No other impeachment inquiry in history has not allowed the minority to call witnesses, or for the President's legal team to be present, and allowed for no cross-examination. No other impeachment inquiry in history has not allowed public viewing of testimony.

This appears to be nothing but a kangaroo court based on a witch hunt by the Democrats.
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Yes, 75% of the House can't attend those meetings. Because they're committee meetings. 75% of the House isn't in those committees; they're in other committees, that have their own work to do. And again, there are Republicans on every committee.

Republicans can call witnesses.

They can't discuss publicly what was discussed in the room because what's being discussed in the room is classified. It's literally the entire reason SCIFs exist.

Members of the committees get briefs. Members of the public do not get transcripts, until they've been redacted to remove classified information. Because national security.

Anyone in any of the committees involved in the impeachment process can attend any hearing.

The President is not on trial. This is an inquiry. Once a trial begins, his lawyers can have their circus.

The President is not on trial. None of the rights you've laid out apply here. They apply once the trial starts.

It's not a report that Congress decides on. It's official articles of impeachment, which are written by the Judiciary Committee following the same rules and procedures used in drafting legislation and then submitted to Congress.

Schiff isn't the only one in the room, and isn't the only one who'll write the articles. If he writes a report, cool, but he doesn't have to, and others are allowed to do the same.

The Nixon impeachment process was WAY more hush-hush. The title of this article isn't helpful, but it was written by a guy who actually worked on the Nixon impeachment inquiry. Worth a read. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/republicans-absurd-complaints-about-impeachment-inquiry-access-are-historically-ignorant-ncna1071751

Nixon's lawyers were given access to the inquiry, but not because they were required to. It was something that the Special Counsel allowed as a courtesy; Trump has not earned courtesy, and if the tables were turned and Schiff was in the hot seat, the same would happen because Schiff has not earned courtesy from Trump either.

Most of the Nixon testimony was behind closed doors. Again, you are confusing the impeachment inquiry with the impeachment proceedings.

THIS IS NOT A TRIAL. Once articles of impeachment pass, THEN all of this stuff is required, because at that point things actually have consequences for the President.
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From what I have heard, none of the committee members may call witnesses, only the chairman. That is one of the things the Republicans are complaining about.

Schiff is head of the Intelligence Committee and not Judiciary. That is another question the Republicans have. Why is Intelligence running the inquiry and not Judiciary?

Matt Gaetz who IS on the Judiciary Committee was not allowed to attend Schiff's hearing, so no, other committee members can not attend Schifff's hearing.

The members may get a brief, but not a transcript. The brief is whatever the chairman's staff releases and is only sent to the committee members.

You didn't mention that before they started the Nixon inquiry the whole house approved it. Even the Andrew Johnson impeachment inquiry was voted on first and testimonies were held in public.

You keep mentioning the Nixon inquiry, but not the Clinton impeachment. With Clinton, the whole house approved the inquiry before it started, and all testimony was held in public. The minority was allowed to call witnesses and the President counsel could call witnesses and also cross-examine.

You are asking the House to vote on articles of impeachment based only on a report without hearing the evidence that was presented to warrant the articles. Every indictment MUST have sufficient evidence of criminal behavior. How does the House know if there is sufficient evidence if they can't hear the witnesses?
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