Only this time, I'll take the role MarioTheRebel had in the previous meme. Now, do your worst!

Since I already gave my position in the aforementioned post, I'll just observe :)

In fairness I think you covered both sides of the argument pretty well in the last post ;)

Well thanks. I like to be balanced. I can see both sides and both sides can err too.

Nice to see someone practicing the Hegelian dialectic.

What's the thesis, antithesis and synthesis? Or do I not understand you?

Kate:"I like to be balanced. I can see both sides and both sides can err too."
One side - thesis
The other side - antithesis
The balance - synthesis

And Hegel defined his dialectic in these words: "The synthetic solution to these conflicts can't be introduced unless those being manipulated take a side that will advance the pre-determined agenda."

Even though you had no idea what you were doing, lol.

;)

Ok, that was warranted ;)

But first, let me say a few things before the war begins:

- Don't post any studies or scholars, doctors or academics saying this and that regarding vaccines. The studies and doctors' opinions greatly differ, with some saying, for example, that there's a definite connection betwwen vaccines and autism, and others saying there's no connection at all, so you can't be certain about these things.

- Don't post personal, your friends', your relatives' or some else's experiences with vaccines, unless you're able to prove what you claim. I do not imply your dishonesty, but don't forget the fudamental rule: "Don't trust everything your read on the internet".

- This is a discussion about vaccines purely. Doctors, other pharmaceuticals, the medical industry as a whole and alternative medicine are completely unrelated. And while I agree that, for example, proving that the entire medical industry is corrupt or that alternative medicine is much more effective that modern medicine does a lot of damage to the pro-vaccine arguments, it's still irrelevant because our topic here are vaccines in and of themselves and not anything else.

- I am what you may call an anti-vaxxer. Still, I will try to be as objective as possible and carefully consider both sides of the argument. Of course, I make no guarantee that will actually happen. After all, we are all slaves to our biases and subjectivity.

- Even if a literal lunatic joins the thread, their arguments should not be dismissed just because the person is a lunatic. A lunatic is not wrong when they say 2+2=4 just because of their lunacy. Attack arguments, not persons.

Can I ask why you are anti-vaxx? It would help me better respond to your question if I understood your position?

At the core level, my anti-vaxxness is a consequence of my voluntaryism, the idea that nothing, benevolent or malevolent, should be forced upon anyone, by anyone (a core principle for libertarians and anarchists), and vaccines are no exception.

But forced or not, there are good reasons to be against vaccines. Remember the pic of NBC News taking a random baby photo, altering it and talking about measles I posted as a reply to MarioTheRebel? The fact that a major news outlet needs to do that despite the measles outbreak "hitting 555 cases" should at least turn on your fishiness detector.

Of course, that's not enough, so I'll post a few interesting reads as well:
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/vaccinated-study-pulled-internet/ (the fact that the study is deleted is more relevant than the study itself, and is the reason why I post it here)
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cdc-scientist-admits-destroyed-data-showed-vaccines-caused-autism-children/
The fact that data which brings the vaccine safety and effectiveness into question is censored should, again, at least turn on your fishiness detector.

And lastly (and this is an argument I've presented many times on IMGFlip alone), even if the vaccines work, they are still harmful. https://www.bitchute.com/video/8Eg8Oukgg4o/

Oftentimes, support of an idea by the government is how one can easily tell that it is wrong. And this is easier said than done, since some of the most obviously questionable world leaders (like Bill Clinton) (probably pretend to) support cannabis and veganism, even though both ideas are usually censored by the government, likely done to confuse conspiracy theorists like myself (however, Bill Clinton also became a so-called “ex-vegan”, meaning that the government wants to popularize the myth that most vegans don’t stay vegan). Likewise, Mormonism is commonly (and, IMO, undeservedly) ridiculed by the MSM, even though it trusts Joseph Smith, who has no evidence of having told the truth, similarly to how the government lies (sorry, Mormons; that’s just what I think). However, the reason why Mormonism is ridiculed is likely because Mormons are anti-government in many other ways.

"If the government needs to enforce it, by default, there's something wrong with it" - My personal quote

Never knew abot Clinton being vegan. It's a hard thing to become if you've been eating meat most of your life. I've heard of people needing 10+ years to go from meat-eater to vegan without issues. A lot of people make the sudden diet switch, which as a result has them become underweight, weak, fragile and often speeding up the decaying rapidly (most notably teeth and hair drastically falling off and/or apart).

Sorry, don't know much about Mormonism. I do hear it being described as Spacehead Christianity, but that's about all I know.

I didn’t know much about it, either (other than the fact that it’s popular in Utah), until I watched a South Park episode where a Mormon boy named “Gary” moved in, made friends with Stan, and taught the Marshes about Mormonism, which lead to Randy’s temporary conversion into Mormonism.

lol this has to be sattire

I think I've posted my opinions on vaccines before.

Vaccines and autism: I don't think there's a direct link. I've heard of an instance where twins were supposed to be vaccinated, and the boy got his sister's due to an error. She's thriving, he's pretty much a vegetable.

I probably was vaccinated as a child, and don't have major complications or concerns. I don't have a problem with a parent who vaccinates or not, as long as they're keeping the children's health up.

Personally, I'm a little leery of them. It seems like young babies get doses that are much stronger than what looks like their bodies can handle. I'd have to pray and talk it over with my husband, should I marry.

I agree with young babies getting too strong doses. Here's how I see it: Vaccines are, supposedly, weaker versions of viruses or diseases which the body can handle, and therefore improve the resistance to the said virus/disease. But here's the problem: first vaccine is given at a very young age (can't remember exactly when, but I'm sure it's within first few months). Expecting a baby that young to handle any virus/disease, no matter how weakened, is idiotic. The immune system can only streghten if it defeats the disease, and a baby's body ain't capable of that. The disease can only damage the baby's fragile body and immune system.

So, what happens next is that every subsequent vaccine damages the body and immune system even more, and with such body and system, puts the vaccinated person at the position as the permament customer for the medical/pharmaceutical industry.

Of course, this is all my speculations and deductions. I'm far from a medical professional, so what I say should not be taken as fact, but rather carefully considered and reviewed before coming to a conclusion.

It seems like you’re heading the right direction, but I know people who have suffered by far their worst after infancy. I know one boy from my little sister’s class who had to get a medical exemption (he’s the only person I know to get a medical exemption) because he became paralyzed right after getting vaccinated. Getting all of the vaccines as a baby can very likely increase the severity of the vaccines, but there are also many toxic ingredients (such as mercury and the “fetal tissue” of both humans and farm animals, like slaughtered pregnant cows from the dairy industry, when the cows can no longer lactate, and unwanted male chicks from the egg industry, along with other farm animals) found in vaccines that can devastate anyone. Like what you said about big Pharma making us permanent customers, it would only make sense for big Pharma to also turn otherwise-healthy adults into permanent customers.

wait are you actually anti vax ??

oh i didnt see the title

A dose of Influenza you need to bang your head til you bleed https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTxOmdDKIeQp8QcZS0M-_w

Doctor! It has been far too long! How have you been?

I see your guitarwork improved quite a bit. Keep improving and never stop!

I've been well. How about you?

And yes, my guitar playing has greatly improved since 2018. 🤘🤘

Fine and dandy, as you Americans would say.

I see you've formed a band, too. Nice!

"Curbstomped" is my favourite song of yours. Very COC-ish and Sabbath-ish.

And don't forget that guitarwork is not only about skill. I's also about musicianship. For example, both Varg Vikernes (Burzum) and Adam Jones (Tool) consider themselves to be bad guitarists. And yet, both are able to produce such powerful and beautiful music they do.

Also, sorry for replying this late. I was sure I already posted this comment. Hm. Must be a glitch or something.

Skill most definitely plays a huge part in guitar playing. I'm glad you liked Curbstomped, a lot of doom metal and sludge metal inspiration went into it. We're hoping to have some rough mix demos out by christmas