Pretending illegals are immigrants doesn't give them rights

What about Human Rights?

You are right, we should arrest anyone crossing the border with a small child if the DNA shows it is not their child for human trafficking Additionally, if the child is their child we should arrest them for child abuse, hauling a child across multiple nations is abuse.

We still need to expand access to legal immigration. We've been screaming from the rooftops that it's inadequate for our nation's needs for several decades now.

Different issues but I agree. Change is needed but make the change after the border is secured.

See, here's the thing - a LOT of work was done under the Obama administration to make border security something you guys would be happy with and we STILL couldn't get round to expanding legal immigration.

At what point it is reasonable to say that this is actually the same issue but you're playing the legality card as a cover so that we never have to expand legal immigration because y'all just don't like immigrants?

Still two issues, immigration covers the legals, that system could use some work but it is not the same as an unsecured border. You would never live in a house with out doors and the same should apply to borders. Safety for citizens is not negotiable.

It is also better to help nations build than to take a very small number of their citizens in and bribe them into staying. Trade, job training, even building homes would be cheaper, add jobs and economic growth, it could even help turn a busted socialist based economy around. We are not really helping anyone the way we do it now.

We love immigrants, there are tons of legal ways to come into the USA to live, work and get educated. We want the border secured and an end to drugs, human traffickers and other criminals just walking across. No one wants to stop immigration all we want is to know who is coming in and why. I have never seen one person tell someone willing to earn their keep to turn around.

No.

When you split something into legal and illegal but restrict access to the legal way of doing it, and we won't deal with the legal issue until we've dealt with the illegal issue, that is a bullshit way of banning something.

We see it over and over again and we see straight through it.

I'm going to keep bringing this up for as long as you keep pretending that this is two different issues so that you can keep dodging the need to fix the part of this that we keep ignoring.

I am ignoring nothing, just because you refuse to believe that many of the illegals are coming in search of victims not jobs doesn't change the horror that follows them in. Putting thugs in the same category with people that really do seek a better life is not only being dishonest it puts Americans at great risk. I have seen the rape trees in Arizonia, I know the price young girls pay and it disgusts me.

Everyone that supports open borders also supports extreme crime. If you really think everyone that crosses is a great person, just camp along the border and then we will finish this discussion after you have time to heal.

Obama was the most open borders president in history.

More boots on the ground and illegal crossings fell to a low point.