Hypocrisy at it's finest

They do indeed.

The meme's not wrong, though.

Yeah, it is. God's about free will, how much freedom was there under those regimes?

Except Yahweh punishes people for using their free will....

Grounding your child is one thing, but outright murdering them or sending them to be tortured is another.

Most of the people he kills in the Bible are babies and children, who, may I add, can't be held accountable for what their parents do. Why is it ok when an all-knowing and all-powerful being commits heinous acts, but not when a human does it? Why does creating the universe give Yahweh the right to hold humanity in such low regard?

Perdect! In a nutshell ^

Been waiting a few months to post this.
From a convo some friends were having on Dischord that I missed.
I meant to got back and read back some more, but was busy and...

According to Christianity, God has been extremely forgiving to us, sending his son to die on the cross to redeem us.

You're kidding, right?

I can tell

Perfect*

I'm a dude.

Disbelief in God is NOT rejection.

If you believe in God, you're religious, PERIOD.

Seriously, do you even hear yourself?

You're not presenting LEGITIMATE proof.

I have not now, nor have I ever, said "I know you are, but what am I". The fact that you keep bringing up the phrase tells me you don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

Are you dumb or just stupid?

It's tactical.

He either deliberately misquotes you or even accuses you of saying something not even remotely resembling anything you said and tries to trap you into arguing that, or he finds a misspelling or misuse of a word and drags you into arguing about that.

Why? Because he can't refute what you say, so uses such tactics to bring the ball back into his court, forcing you to play according to his idiocy.

Very simple, he claims there's a Babylonian god who opted for the Jews then abandoned them for the Romans and then left them for the Germanics and now that god is universal because England said so? Cool, ask him to show it or zip it.

Meanwhile, you're just wasting your time, since he isn't debating anyone, he's baiting them. His life is so miserable and attention deprived that the only way he can try to compensate is to try to make others as angry and out of control and isolated from even themselves as he is. That, of course, fails just like everything else he's tried in his life, so he'll keep egging and egging and begging and begging....

Ignore the troll.
Or feed him just enough crumbs to keep him irritated the way I do.

Nope

See, you complained about him saying something (a grade school phrase to irritate you) and he's using that as a vector for attack.
Since you are no longer indulging him in his fake debate, he's kicking your leg for attention.

I'm not offended at all. I don't care if you disagree with me, just don't be arrogant about it. I'm not the one resorting to retorts.

Do you even hear yourself?

When? When was it seen?

How do you know you're not worshipping the wrong deity? How do you know somebody else isn't worshipping the right deity?

And another thing, if Yahweh isn't bound by man's words, then why is the Bible written like he is bound by them?

Then why are you talking like one?

You don't need to believe in God to do good.

What is it with you and comparing the bullshit in the Bible to mere household activities?

I'm well aware that man didn't do it, I know that Yahweh did it, but that doesn't mean shit. It was STILL genocide.

Ben, you're wasting your time on a lame troll wannabe who suffers from legit schizophrenia further addled by prolonged drug abuse. He twists what you say and accuses you of what he does. That's what he does. That's all he does.

Nope, I'm just trying to get answers out of you.

It's not my opinion, it's the truth. NONE of your answers were legitimate.

Whatever....

IT'S NOT A F**KING RETORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me thinks thou protests too much.

GO THE F**K AWAY!!!!!

Bwhahaha.

I'm not making ANY retorts.

The truth doesn't offend me, but it sure seems to offend YOU.

I'm not religious. Atheism isn't a religion, it's a LACK OF BELIEF IN A DEITY.

Do you even hear yourself?

Quit bullshitting me.

Seriously, do you even hear yourself?

Are you serious?

It's not my opinion, it's the truth, you haven't given ONE legitimate answer.

I have not said that once.

No I haven't.

ATHEISM IS NOT A F**KING RELIGION!

No I'm not.

Except it's not the truth.

I'm not the one making retorts.

No they haven't. You're just lying through your teeth.

I know what 2 + 2 is, you're not acting like YOU do.

I don't care how "unconnected" you think my comments are.

The Bible is written in a way that makes it hard to believe ANY of it is legitimate. It's clear to me that the Bible wasn't written, or inspired, by a god, but by superstitious, fearful, tribal, ignorant, misogynistic, men, with a VERY poor sense of how to deal with bad behavior.

I'm not offended in the slightest, YOU'RE the one who's offended. It's typical of religious nuts to be offended when their religion is rightfully criticized. If God was real, he'd reveal himself to the world. He wouldn't be playing his little game of cosmic peek-a-boo.

STOP TALKING TO ME, JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!

It's not my opinion, it's the truth.

Do you even hear yourself?

Quit dodging the question.

Yahweh does things in the Bible that a VILLAIN would do.

How can you be so sure it WILL be seen? What if you're wrong? In fact, what if somebody else's deity turns out to be real?

Why should we expect less from a being who supposedly created us?

If wiping out an entire planet or TWO entire cities isn't genocide, I don't know what is.

Ok, then tell me, what is justice? If you can explain it, then explain it.

I'm no "follower of Babylon". That's not even a thing. I don't believe in God. Catholicism and Protestantism are denominations of Christianity. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. If you weren't religious or a believer, you wouldn't act like you are OR defend ANY of the crap in the Bible.

Now who's making accusations?

BULLSHIT!

Aww, poow widdle Dumber1972 mad again?

Aren't you going to go die to have a go at me from the other side?

NO!

Not a retort at all.

Nope

No, because there is no God looking at the wonderous calamity that would be world crushing death, you twit.

Of course, you can always go die and prove me wrong about how your physical death is fair indication that you're pretty much dead.

You game, grasshopper?

So I've noticed.

STOP REPLYING TO ME RIGHT F**KING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Their time is NATURAL CAUSES.

Why should we expect less from a being who SUPPOSEDLY created us?

Yes, he did. I'm not the one with the primitive thought process, that would be you.

Whatever............

No it's not....

Yes he did.

Are you seriously that f**king retarded?

No, you're just an idiot.

Why are you wasting your time talking to me if you don't think I'm worth the effort?

Except the people I'm condemning are doing EXACTLY what the Bible says, and it's not good.

If the Bible is a metaphor, then why does it tell believers to follow it TO.... THE.... LETTER?

No, you're just making false accusations.

I AM NOT F**KING OFFENDED! DON'T F**KING TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

Time to switch to decaf.

No, you're just an idiot.

Why do you cry about retorts, yet constantly make them?

I'm not the deluded one.

I'm not offended.

Atheism isn't a religion. Atheism doesn't have a god. YOU'RE the one who's getting offended. I'm criticizing your religion, and you're acting like a narcissist.

If you're not a believer, then why do you keep defending the Bible?

I'm not religious, I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in ANY deity.

I don't "follow" ANYTHING.

If you're willing to give a legitimate answer, I'm all ears. NOTHING you've given is legitimate.

There are SEVERAL religions and holy texts that talk bad about humanity.

The Bible, like ALL holy texts, was written by a culture seeking to justify it's own bigotry.

I don't wanna be worshipped. I'm not a deity. Seriously, where the f**k do you come up with this shit?

If he revealed himself, there would be video and photographic footage of him, and somebody would've been able to describe what he looked like. Actions aren't proof of existence, ESPECIALLY if it only happened once or twice, and then never again. You can't just show yourself once and expect people from thousands of years later to believe it without HARD evidence. It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

Don't try that cop-out on me. Unless somebody comes forward with ACTUAL evidence of God, then he doesn't exist, simple as that.

I don't care who you're referring to.

No I haven't. You haven't given ANY legitimate answers.

So it seems.

No I don't, I want LEGITIMATE answers. You're the one who's making false accusations, not me.

Now you're just spouting apeshit....

If heroism is the opposite of God, then why do so many Christians, Jews, and Muslims describe him as being a hero? If you can't come up with an answer for that, you've officially abandoned all knowledge.

Now you're just dodging the question.

Then you suck as a human being.

Do you seriously have no understanding of the concept of justice? If you have to compare F**KING GENOCIDE to mere parenting, you suck at debating, PERIOD. Parenting and genocide DO NOT go hand in hand. What Yahweh does in the Bible CAN'T be compared to parenting, because a good parent would NEVER threaten torture on their child.

Suck as a human being? Is that a retort?

Why should an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving being get to decide everything? Why shouldn't an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving being be expected the same things as everybody else?

Yes he did.

I'm not the one with the primitive thinking.

Don't give me that, he's killed LOADS of children in the Bible. Sometimes, it's hard to tell who was what age when Yahweh killed them. There's also the matter of the scale of damage caused (the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Midianites, the Amelakites, so on and so on) and there's also the final plague on the Egyptians in Exodus (the death of the firstborn of Egypt, INCLUDING the firstborn of slaves and livestock) and then there's that time Yahweh trolled Abraham into almost killing his son Isaac, then changed his mind at the last second.

Dying from natural causes is one thing, but dying by somebody else's hand is another.

Sometimes I wonder....

Alright Mr. "Smart" Guy, I'm just gonna leave you with these questions: If the verses in the Bible saying that Yahweh is good were omitted, would you come to that conclusion on your own? If the superheroes we all know and love handled problems the way Yahweh does, would they STILL be considered the good guys? Would YOU consider them to be the good guys? And no cop-outs. I want LEGITIMATE answers.

It's not incorrect. Yahweh killed a good many children and babies in the Bible.

I don't think death is evil, but to intentionally end somebody's life before their time, yeah, that's f**ked up.

Why is it ok when Yahweh kills somebody, but not when anybody else does it?

Uh, yeah he did, otherwise, he would've let Abraham carry it out.

Uhhhh, live with the choice you made. btw there is no eternal hell. We still have free will. Those people would have you killed for merely disagreeing with them.

Yahweh had people killed for disagreeing with him in the Bible.

Just because you create something doesn't mean you own it. It also doesn't mean you get to treat it like shit anytime you want.

Now you're pulling shit out of your ass.

There you go again....

Now I KNOW you're pulling shit out of your ass. Not giving a child a candy bar and slaughtering ENTIRE cities are two COMPLETELY different things. A good parent would NEVER do the things Yahweh does in the Bible.

Are you seriously comparing eating sugar to mass genocide?

That's what the Nazis thought, wasn't it? That they had every right to control their people?

You're just putting words in my mouth.

You just missed the point, didn't you?

No I'm not

You really have the patience of a statue to debate this guy.

God speed.

Do you even hear yourself?

Nope, not triggered in the slightest

I'm not crying.

Well, you made a point of it and i just wanted to point it out.

I will give you full credit for having the stamina to reply so much. :cheers:

I'm not crying.

Yeah, you made that point but nice deflection, I guess.

There's no deflection at all.

You may not have been 'crying' but complaining about retorts while making them, makes you a hypocrite. Just sayin'!

I didn't make any retorts.

Me thinks you'd better shut the f**k up.

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STOP TALKING TO ME, JERK!!!!!!!!!!

Idiot

Whatever....

I don't, now F**K OFF!

Now you're just being retarded.

You started out rationally having a debate. Why have you devolved into obscenities?

BECAUSE YOU WON'T F**KING STOP REPLYING TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It may be a reasonable point previously but it's hard not to opine that he's been driven over the edge.

F**k you

You already told us that.

I don't care, now F**K OFF!

You are a real prick. Keep going. Have an aneurysm.

Stop talking to me!

I'm starting to worry about your sanity.

I'd suggest finding a church and giving yourself to Jesus.

It would stabilize you emotionally.

May God bless you, my brother in Christ.

No

I think you seriously broke him.

No

Go away

GO AWAY!

What part of "STOP" do you not understand!?!

YOU go!

I SAID STOP!!!!!!!!!!

F**k off!!!!!!

Stop

Good....

Yeah, the utter hypocrisy is stomach churning.

Seriously, that's enough....

Stop!

STOP REPLYING TO ME!

F**k off

Shut up

That escalated quickly.

I don't care....

Just stop talking to me

Or what? You need to relax, dude.

No, you don't know about me, nothing at all. Good day!

I know more than enough.

You need God. You wouldn't get so infinitely triggered.

Think about your blood pressure.

I SAID GOOD DAY!

Don't try to be polite now, Chippy.

Go away

No! I have every right to say whatever the f**k I want.

EXACTLY! So does EVERYONE else.

Glad you're getting with the program, chief.

F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^^^ not triggered lol

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has Timber broken you? Do you hear yourself.

Now I'm concerned.

Ya know what, f**k you!

Spoken like a true fedora tipper.

Medication may help you, Benji.

You don't know anything about me, so why don't you mind your own go***mn business!?!

Oh, I know alot about you. Like how how you devolved into screeching, yelling and insults when you get challenged. You come from a single parent household, am I right? No lying now!

F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!

F**kin' T R I G G E R E D

I'm not triggered at all.

Whatever....

There's no harm in admitting that one can get upset.

Then do it.

I'm not upset. Even though you're cursing me out.

Whatever....

I said I'd leave you alone.

I don't care, now stop talking to me!

See, although I said I would, now I don't care.

STOP F**KING TALKING TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No.

STOP IT RIGHT F**KING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, bud, I'll leave you be. Peace.

Why are you so triggered? Anyone can post here.

STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop!

Leave me alone!

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, according to Genesis, that God cast us out of Paradise for partaking of the fruit which the Serpent God shared with us that would give us the capacity to understand and have fee will.

Did God give them free will to do it after being warned?

The other one did.

You probably wouldn't want me to continue on where this is going.
I usually save it for the self righteous and willfully blind.

While the other one was given domination over earth, God still has the final control. Had he not wanted the option available, why would He present it? Altho I admit I don't know the reason.

Exactly :)

*the reason exactly

I don't want to fudge with your beliefs because you're not an asshole.

Let's put it this way, the story is an old one that has passed through various cultures. Details change, perspectives altered also.
I have trouble finding online more than scanty mentions, but basically originally the Serpent was cast as more a diety and a good one. Snakes in the East were not traditionally seen as the symbols of evil they're cast as in the West. They represented wisdom, shedding skin is a sign of renewal.

The Garden story was apparently originally more representative of the conflict between a hunter gatherer society and a settled agrarian one. The Serpent got demonized as the story went from one people to another, they inserting their chief diety as the God in conflict with the Serpent, and thus he as the good one.

I have no problems with hearing varying views.

It's tough to argue an argument of faith. But I've just had experiences where I've been in a place where some things are hard to argue. Most of my life I've hated all organized religion, tho believed in a creator. Now I just don't like most. Though people transcend it and others fail with support and knowledge.

I was raised Catholic but even early on disagreed with the concepts of Holy Father Popes and Reverend Father Priests. I told you that before, that I even considered converting to Judaism because that is what Jesus preached.

I was also exposed to different religions within my household growing up, so the 'truth' as one limited version which damned the rest was utter nonsense to me.

In 2000 I lost my faith. I joke that I graduated. I require no fear of an old man in the sky nor need for an eternal life to make up for me wasting this one to keep my morals straight.

I'm not triggered

Well, I know that the Babylonian epic Gilgamesh has an earlier origin then the Bible. That's used to discredit the Bible all the time.

But an account of something that was accounted later doesn't necessarily discredit what was recounted later.

But that's a mistake everyone makes.
How can there be this one universal supreme being but that revealed itself to only a small obscure nation a few millenia ago and all the other stories that predate theirs but sound the same are false?
If there is a creator, then it would reveal itself to all creation, and all those permutations of similar stories lend validity to theirs, not contradiction.

But it's not false. The Babylonians suffered the flood. Whether they had survivors or it was a rememberance from repopulated people that brought tradition, I don't see how an account of a great event negates the telling of it after.

But it did, after it was rejected by the Israelites, because Jesus wouldn't smash the Roman overlords.

But Christians discount the flood tale of Babylonians and others without realizing all they're doing is further invalidating their own beliefs.

Judeans, because Israelites were already gone.
Messiahs are supposed to repel occupying enemies. All this Saul/Paul trippy stuff - there's a reason it was written by Romans and added on as the New Testament. Is God's word God's? Or was that to be determined and re-edited by those who arrested, tried, judged, and exectuted Jesus? The Seat of the Beast is where according to the NT itself?

So a universal creator reveals itself to only one group of people not realizing they were the wrong ones? Regardless, the Jews did not reject their God, it is still their God and their religion even after all this time. "And their seed shall be scattered throughout all the land yet they shall not forget who they are"

Say what you will, it is still their religion. Christianity bears little resemblance to it or what Jesus preached. It actually is more like Zoroastrianism or Hinduism.

This one doesn't. Just because something happened in 2300bc , was discussed in 2000 bc, then in 1450, all dates approx, doesn't mean that word of mouth didn't pass down and that the later version was copying rather than passing on a oral tradition or lost text. What the hell else are you going to to in the down time? With some Christian groups that occured later, where the pope's men would try to eradicate people that learned the Bible on their own without the church's interpretation, where Jesuits would swear an oath to 'dash the children's heads against trees' during their initiations, people memorized chapters of the Bible, word for word. I can't remember the people's names tho.

Goodnight! I'll finish tomorrow.

To be fair, he said that because we get along and I respect the fact he appreciates that I believe in religion and didn't want to debate if it would upset me. Which it wouldn't. There are people here I disagree with but I wouldn't bring it up because I wouldn't want to strain a good relationship over someone's opinion.

Just my take, right or wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjCRWeG_AQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxSeiqyGXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjCRWeG_AQ

You really should check it out, it'll explain things better than I ever could.

Did you even watch the video?

You really oughta consider it.

I'm also gonna leave this here: If Heaven exists, how could Hell exist? How could someone be happy in Heaven KNOWING that somebody they dearly love is being tortured in Hell? If in Heaven your mind is changed so drastically that it would no longer bother you, then you are no longer you.

No you don't.

Then tell me what the video was like

No you don't

Came to the world He created to be tortured and crucified so he could be the scapegoat that took on the world's sin so that we may be saved. What a reeeal asshole. What the hell is wrong with you?

No, because I think it's possible that we aren't the only ones out there. We may go to another dimension, in another form, after we die, where there have been others watching this, so God is sticking to his original plan of free will and showing others that God was right without breaking his rules. I could put it better a few years ago. Good will prevail over evil. Look up the scapegoat and Lucifer's fall from heaven.

If he said, "for everything you did wrong in your life, I will take it on me if you'll see the errors of the lustful way of your flesh and repent and love me and choose good, regardless of the pain you suffered for 100 short years, you'll be with me forever, for eternity, in 'bliss'". I'd be pretty stoked.

And I put that in quotes because I think bliss in this case means complete fulfillment and peace.

It's basically Lucifer's haughtiness and challenging of God. I can't remember all the details. I know you think God is evil but that's not true. I'll look into it if you care. Satan demands compliance. The mark will be written on the head (mind) and the hand (action), for Satan. But for God's people it's only on the head. Because God gives you the choice with your hands, where Satan wants your thoughts and actions, or something like that. Seriously, read the new testament first.

If God can design an ecosystem like the earth, where we have seasons, mostly inhabitable sections, besides the sea, where we can survive, without the temperature dipping or rising more that it does, where plant life, animals, water, sunshine etc can work together so well and sustain us so handsomely, yeah, I'd trust Him. Who the hell am I?

It does when He creates you. Where would you be without him?

So you'd rather not exist? You always have a choice.

I'd think winning the ultimate lottery, imagine your mother had a headache the night you were conceived, should be a happy event. And you always have choice to end it.

Honor thy father and mother.

So you'd let a 5 yo you had walk all over you? Really?

Yeah, a 5 yo has no choice as to what will happen. It's because they are basically retarded and you hope the parents will be responsible. But God is ancient. And knows His way around.