Hypocrisy at it's finest

Hypocrisy at it's finest | HATES COMMUNISM BECAUSE OF STALIN, MAO, AND POL POT WORSHIPS A DEITY WHO ACTS LIKE STALIN, MAO, AND POL POT | image tagged in angry conservative,communism,stalin,mao,pol pot,yahweh | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Lol but s/he does have a point
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They do indeed.
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Well, first, no...but second, the guy's holding up a pagan cross, which is in opposition to the 2nd Commandment in the Bible he's holding, sooooo.....

Why are atheists incapable of understanding the role and nature of God, even as a philiosophical concept...? You don't have to believe that God exists to understand, on a philosophical level, that God is not a human, not bound by human ideas of right and wrong (which are invariably incorrect, anyways), and, as the titular Creator of all that is, not answerable to human judgment, and can do what He wants with His creation, since He created it. Comparing God to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, therefore, is irrational and ignorant. Last time I checked, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot didn't create the universe and everything in it.

Even if God DID "act like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot" (which He doesn't), so...?

You don't need to believe to understand those basic concepts.

Babylon the Great (that is, all of man's religions) has done a wonderful job of deluding those who want to be deluded.
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The meme's not wrong, though.
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Yeah, it is. God's about free will, how much freedom was there under those regimes?
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Except Yahweh punishes people for using their free will....
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Parents punish their children for using their "free will" (which is, itself, a mirage.) Do you think punishment is evil...?
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Grounding your child is one thing, but outright murdering them or sending them to be tortured is another.
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According to your human judgment, sure. You aren't God. Your judgment is not His judgment. He sees things you cannot possibly see or understand. If God created mankind, and He holds the power of life and death, why do you imagine He is guilty of "murder" if He chooses to end a person's life...?

Do you think anything in the universe is an accident...? It's not. Karma is very real. Only the foolish think that we do not reap what we sow.
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Most of the people he kills in the Bible are babies and children, who, may I add, can't be held accountable for what their parents do. Why is it ok when an all-knowing and all-powerful being commits heinous acts, but not when a human does it? Why does creating the universe give Yahweh the right to hold humanity in such low regard?
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Now you're just making shit up. God killed loads of adults, far more than He ever killed babies and children.

It's like you're not reading, or are incapable of understanding, what I've already said. You look at physical death as evil, and judge God as evil for causing it.

Do you imagine God looks at physical death the same way...?
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Disbelief in God is NOT rejection.

If you believe in God, you're religious, PERIOD.

Seriously, do you even hear yourself?

You're not presenting LEGITIMATE proof.

I have not now, nor have I ever, said "I know you are, but what am I". The fact that you keep bringing up the phrase tells me you don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

Are you dumb or just stupid?
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Oh, that's rich. Va**nalbloodStupid b**ching about someone "deliberately misquoting" others. Oh, the irony, she is rich today.

What you have become, Ben, is a pawn. She has no interest in you, or your arguments, or anything you have to say. She's using you (as, now, am I) to score rhetorical points against an opponent that she can't deal with directly. At least I have the decency to tell you that, eh?

So, she lies about motives, she misrepresents the argument, and she does it by way of a proxy...that is, you...because she knows she could never win an actual debate head to head.

Why do you think she's always making with the clown memes? It's how she hides. It's a distraction, in the hopes (usually fulfilled) that her opponents will forget whatever irrational point she just tried to sell.

She is the Queen of Projectors, the Master of Blame Shifting. What she claims about others is precisely what she knows is true about herself. When she says someone else's life is miserable and attention deprived, she's referring to herself. When she says someone tries to make others as angry and out of control and isolated from even themselves as she is, she's describing herself.

If it were not true, you wouldn't see the ravaged trail of endless catfights with endless people here, and no doubt elsewhere.

She has nothing positive to say, about anything, or anyone. She is the quintessential troll, who justifies her wretched existence by making everyone else as desperately miserable as herself. And the most desperately hilarious aspect of all is that she actually thinks she's doing GOOD, by "exposing" the "haters" and "trolls."

That, my pawnish friend, is the pinnacle of self-delusion.
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It's tactical.

He either deliberately misquotes you or even accuses you of saying something not even remotely resembling anything you said and tries to trap you into arguing that, or he finds a misspelling or misuse of a word and drags you into arguing about that.

Why? Because he can't refute what you say, so uses such tactics to bring the ball back into his court, forcing you to play according to his idiocy.

Very simple, he claims there's a Babylonian god who opted for the Jews then abandoned them for the Romans and then left them for the Germanics and now that god is universal because England said so? Cool, ask him to show it or zip it.

Meanwhile, you're just wasting your time, since he isn't debating anyone, he's baiting them. His life is so miserable and attention deprived that the only way he can try to compensate is to try to make others as angry and out of control and isolated from even themselves as he is. That, of course, fails just like everything else he's tried in his life, so he'll keep egging and egging and begging and begging....

Ignore the troll.
Or feed him just enough crumbs to keep him irritated the way I do.
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Those are your definitions. They do not accurately reflect reality as it is.

If you believed I was dumb or stupid, you would not be wasting your time trying to rebut my comments. That's what belief means: your actions line up with your words.

For the perhaps 4th or 5th time: mental assent or mere claim is not belief. What you believe determines what you do, and how you live. Paul...the guy who wrote most of the letters in the New Testament...said over and over again (paraphrased): "Don't tell me what you believe. I don't give a shit what you think. Show me what you believe by obeying. Otherwise, shut the f**k up about your so-called "beliefs.""

And when he chastised people for not living according to what they claimed to believe, he told them their "beliefs" were a sham, and that they were rightly being mocked by people like you. You have every right to mock the legions of hypocrites who run around claiming to be believers, and making a mockery of their claims by behaving like pagans. No question.

"I know you are, but what am I?" is a metaphor. I never said you literally said those words. You are, however, in essence, saying that exact thing. Extreme literalists have a hard time with metaphor and paraphrase...which is why the Bible is hidden from you, I would imagine, since it's mostly metaphor.

And asking "are you dumb or just stupid?" is a b**chy little retort, of the same kind you've been making this entire conversation. Not accusing, just observing. Doesn't bother me.
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It's absolutely fascinating to watch a person who is completely amoral spin her fantasies just because it gives her clitoral erections, and is almost certainly the only way she can function sexually at this point.

I refer, of course, to BabelblondPooplay there. She is the perfect cynic, seeing nothing but "tactics" in anything everyone she hates posts. In her world, everyone is a liar, with hidden motives, because SHE is a liar, with hidden motives.

I'm sure, back when the dialysis didn't keep her chained to the oxygen, that she must have been the belle of the ball. And by "belle", I mean, she gave anyone she spoke to a dull ringing in their heads.

What she's doing to you, Ben, what she's engaging in, is called "co-dependent behavior." She's trying to get you to see things the way she does, because it satisfies her to see people become as cynical as she is, to have others to be as tormented as she is. And I have no doubt it does so physically, sexually.

Her existence is absolute proof of the existence of Hell. She is in it, as we speak, and physical death will only make things worse for her...until her time comes. And it will come, as it comes for everyone, regardless of the time it takes. She, too, will be saved. Thank God for that.

Who needs silly red tailed devils roasting people over spits, when the Hell you live in NOW is far more horrifying than anything the pagans like Dante could invent...?
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See, you complained about him saying something (a grade school phrase to irritate you) and he's using that as a vector for attack.
Since you are no longer indulging him in his fake debate, he's kicking your leg for attention.
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"I know you are, but what am I?"
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I'm not offended at all. I don't care if you disagree with me, just don't be arrogant about it. I'm not the one resorting to retorts.

Do you even hear yourself?

When? When was it seen?

How do you know you're not worshipping the wrong deity? How do you know somebody else isn't worshipping the right deity?

And another thing, if Yahweh isn't bound by man's words, then why is the Bible written like he is bound by them?

Then why are you talking like one?

You don't need to believe in God to do good.

What is it with you and comparing the bullshit in the Bible to mere household activities?

I'm well aware that man didn't do it, I know that Yahweh did it, but that doesn't mean shit. It was STILL genocide.
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And there, of course, is the enabling and crippling of a fellow follower of Babylon, "VagabondSouffle", rushing in to make sure her co-religionists are defended and protected from the truth. She can't tolerate the truth; she hates it. So, she foams at the mouth, desperate to convince anyone who will listen to her to not listen to those she hates...usually making some pretty spectacular false accusations ("suffers from legit schizophrenia" "addled by prolonged drug abuse") in the process.

I wouldn't make the same accusations about her...I don't know her from the homeless man on the corner...but if I had to bet, I would say that she's projecting everything. The schizophrenia, the drug use, the alcohol abuse, the homelessness...I imagine these are all things she deals with, or has dealt with, at one time or another.

No one has twisted anything you've said, son. Not that you'll heed my words at this point, but beware of fools like this. She will drag you into her hell, because it comforts her.
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Ben, you're wasting your time on a lame troll wannabe who suffers from legit schizophrenia further addled by prolonged drug abuse. He twists what you say and accuses you of what he does. That's what he does. That's all he does.
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Of course you're offended. The fact that you think someone telling you the truth is an expression of arrogance is proof that you're offended. You're incapable, for now, of having someone challenge your notions without b**chy little retorts. That's unfortunate.

You keep asking the same questions over and over again, even though they have been answered over and over again, because you don't like the answer. Not liking the answer doesn't invalidate it.

2 + 2 = 4, no matter how much you want 2 + 2 to equal 5, or 3, or pi.

By the way, your "format"...if it can be called such...isn't conducive to dialogue: if you're going to respond directly to quotes, you should INCLUDE them, so your response makes sense. Right now, it just looks like you're making disjointed, unconnected statements.

No one said God was "bound by man's words" Judging God by your human standards does not mean binding God by your words. The Bible isn't "written" that way, either.

So, feel free to respond, and I'll keep correcting your misconceptions, but at this point, there's nothing further to be gained. You don't understand, because at this point you can't understand, and you're offended that someone says that, because you believe you DO understand, and the emperor has no clothes, but saying that makes one "arrogant."

So be it.
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Nope, I'm just trying to get answers out of you.
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You've gotten the answers you need...just not the ones you want. I cannot help you any further. Perhaps VagadumbSuckoff can keep you entertained.
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It's not my opinion, it's the truth. NONE of your answers were legitimate.
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It's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong. All of my answers were legitimate, you just reject them because you don't like them.

I can continue this all night if you'd like...
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Whatever....
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IT'S NOT A F**KING RETORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Me thinks thou protests too much.
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"No, you're just an idiot."

"IT'S NOT A F**KING RETORT!!!!!!!!!!"

These two statements contradict each other.

Be careful, you'll use up your quote of exclamation points for the day, and then you'll have to wait until tomorrow to yell in all caps at people.
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I'm a dude.
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I would imagine so. But I'm not referring to you.
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GO THE F**K AWAY!!!!!
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Bwhahaha.
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That's not a legitimate answer.
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I'm not making ANY retorts.

The truth doesn't offend me, but it sure seems to offend YOU.

I'm not religious. Atheism isn't a religion, it's a LACK OF BELIEF IN A DEITY.

Do you even hear yourself?

Quit bullshitting me.

Seriously, do you even hear yourself?

Are you serious?
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"I know you are, but what am I" is not a valid form of debate.

You've made countless b**chy little retorts, throughout the entire conversation, and yet you boldly claim you aren't making any. Interesting strategy, son. Do you even hear yourself?

You are religious...extremely so...and your religion is atheism, your god is you (as with ALL the religious, from the catholics to the muslims to the protestants to the atheists), and no one may touch your god.
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It's not my opinion, it's the truth, you haven't given ONE legitimate answer.
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It's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong. All of my answers were legitimate, you just reject them because you don't like them.
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I have not said that once.

No I haven't.

ATHEISM IS NOT A F**KING RELIGION!
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Calm down and stop yelling. You're not fooling anyone by claiming you're not offended when you're screaming like a madman.
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No I'm not.

Except it's not the truth.

I'm not the one making retorts.

No they haven't. You're just lying through your teeth.

I know what 2 + 2 is, you're not acting like YOU do.

I don't care how "unconnected" you think my comments are.

The Bible is written in a way that makes it hard to believe ANY of it is legitimate. It's clear to me that the Bible wasn't written, or inspired, by a god, but by superstitious, fearful, tribal, ignorant, misogynistic, men, with a VERY poor sense of how to deal with bad behavior.

I'm not offended in the slightest, YOU'RE the one who's offended. It's typical of religious nuts to be offended when their religion is rightfully criticized. If God was real, he'd reveal himself to the world. He wouldn't be playing his little game of cosmic peek-a-boo.
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As I said, you've deluded yourself, and don't even recognize your b**chy little retorts. But the fact that you keep making them is more than enough proof that you're offended. You are quite correct: it's very typical of religious nuts to be offended when their religion is rightfully criticized, which is why you are offended. I have touched your god and your religion..."atheism"...and that you will not tolerate.

As for me, I have no religion and am not a believer, which I've told you multiple times already. As with all the religious (you), all the followers of Babylon the Great (you), you ignore that which doesn't fit your worldview, and focus on your own particular set of delusions with which you are most comfortable.

As for the Bible...it's plain but hidden, as God said it would be. One of the most fascinating aspects of the Bible is how contrary to human nature it is. All the religious books of the world talk about how wonderful humans...or, rather, specific humans...are. The Bible is the only "religious" book in the entire world that is unrelenting in its harsh condemnation of man, all men, which is why it bothers and upsets you so much.

You want to be a hero, too. You want to be worshiped, just like everyone else. Don't bother denying it, all your endless language about "heroes" and "heroism" proves it. And it's not like you're alone. All of mankind wants to be worshiped.

Oh, and "I know you are, but what am I" is not now, and never has been, a valid counterargument, no matter how many times you try it. What you cannot understand is that God HAS revealed Himself to the world, and continues to reveal Himself to the world, every single day. But...just like the hidden image in the picture, you cannot see Him or His works. They are hidden from you, until your time to see them comes.

And that's for your own good. No man can see God and live.
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STOP TALKING TO ME, JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!
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You first. Jackass.
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It's not my opinion, it's the truth.
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It's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong. All of my answers were legitimate, you just reject them because you don't like them.
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Do you even hear yourself?

Quit dodging the question.

Yahweh does things in the Bible that a VILLAIN would do.

How can you be so sure it WILL be seen? What if you're wrong? In fact, what if somebody else's deity turns out to be real?

Why should we expect less from a being who supposedly created us?

If wiping out an entire planet or TWO entire cities isn't genocide, I don't know what is.

Ok, then tell me, what is justice? If you can explain it, then explain it.
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If you're incapable of having a discussion...like many of the emotionally retarded around here...without resorting to b**chy little retorts, then there's not much point in continuing this conversation. You are offended because someone not only disagrees with you, but disagrees with you in a way that you're not used to.

I am no "evangelical fundamentalist", who will just resort to Babylonish answers like "ya jus gots ta have faith" and "God iz a MISTRY!!" because they, too, don't understand.

It will be seen, because it has been seen. God is not subject to man's foolish, impotent, and arrogant judgment. There is no such thing as "somebody else's deity", because those are, all of them, delusions, fictions created by foolish men to avoid responsibility for their behavior.

"So, wut yor sayin iz u think yor God iz the only God??"

No, foolish man. You're not paying attention. He is not my God, because I am not a believer.

"WUTTTT???? U think He exists but U dont BELIEB He exists??? Wut kinda confuzzled nonsense is THAT???"

And here we, again, arrive at the idea that the way you understand something...and the way it's "commonly understood"...isn't actually what it means.

Merely thinking or mentally assenting that God exists is not enough, and does not constitute "faith" as God Himself describes it. If you believe, you will obey. THAT is the standard for belief, which every single religion, religious organization, and denomination that exists, has ever existed, or ever will exist, being members of Babylon the Great, will not and cannot understand.

I believe...I accept on faith...that every instance of sticking my hand in fire will burn my flesh. I do not need to see this to believe it, nor do I need to experience it personally to believe it. I see what it does to animal flesh and other material. I don't think my hand is "special", that it alone, of all hands, is not subject to natural law. I believe that my hand will burn, so I don't stick my hand in the fire.

That's what belief means: finding out what God expects, and doing it. I have found out what God expects, but I don't wish to do it. Therefore, by His definition, I am not a believer. What I think or claim I believe has no value; my actions tell the true story. What I DO is evidence of what I believe.

Wiping out an entire planet is not genocide, because man didn't do it. If you refuse to believe that, that's your choice. Genocide can only be committed by man against man.
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I'm no "follower of Babylon". That's not even a thing. I don't believe in God. Catholicism and Protestantism are denominations of Christianity. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. If you weren't religious or a believer, you wouldn't act like you are OR defend ANY of the crap in the Bible.

Now who's making accusations?

BULLSHIT!
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Oh, it is, indeed, a thing...one of the legitimate answers you reject as a legitimate answer. John's revelation, the 17th and 18th chapters, are where you will find what is written about her, and what she does to the nations of the earth. It matters not whether you reject denominations (they, too, are all Babylon); you are an atheist, and atheism is just as much a religion as the religions you denounce. Believe it or not, accept it or not, it matters not.

I condemn all of man's religions, and have done so from the start. They have nothing to do with God, and never have. That you are incapable of distinguishing or understanding the distinction between man's religions and God's character, or even of conceiving that God has nothing whatsoever to do with any of man's religions, only demonstrates that you are, too, a part of Babylon the Great. You see from the inside out. You can't see the image hidden in plain view.

I am not a believer. As I said, mere mental assent or thoughts or claims does not make anyone anything. If I claim I'm a toaster, but cannot make toast with my own body, am I, in fact, a toaster? Of course not. Believers are people who obey what God says to do. That's why there are literally only a handful of them that have existed for the last 2,000 years, and, indeed, since Abraham, and billions upon billions of people who claim to be believers are nothing of the sort. I am not a believer, nor claim to be one.

And no one is making accusations against you. Acknowledging what is is not the same as accusing you of anything. That you see it as accusatory...again...is evidence of your status among those of Babylon. I do not condemn you for it. Your time will come, eventually, and then you will have a choice.
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Aww, poow widdle Dumber1972 mad again?

Aren't you going to go die to have a go at me from the other side?
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Hi stalker!
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No, darling, not even remotely. You think much, much too highly of yourself.

Hi stalker!
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NO!
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YES!
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Not a retort at all.
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Ok, now I know you're just having fun. Catch ya later!
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Nope
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No, because there is no God looking at the wonderous calamity that would be world crushing death, you twit.

Of course, you can always go die and prove me wrong about how your physical death is fair indication that you're pretty much dead.

You game, grasshopper?
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So I've noticed.
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Your first sentence makes no sense, because as usual, you're confused and garbled.

Are you still drunk this late in the day? Or are you still on the same multi-day benders you're normally on....? You should really stop doing the coke while you drink...they cancel each other out, and inflict massive damage to your internal organs...which you certainly already know by personal experience.

On a serious note, I'm sorry that you have been so badly abused by Babylon. That's true of literally billions. However, that doesn't excuse your c**ty behavior, for which you will...as we all must....answer.

You may take comfort...as cold as it is...that the both of us are just as dead as the other, comfortably ensconced in our graves.
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STOP REPLYING TO ME RIGHT F**KING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok.

But only because you asked nicely.
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Their time is NATURAL CAUSES.

Why should we expect less from a being who SUPPOSEDLY created us?

Yes, he did. I'm not the one with the primitive thought process, that would be you.
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"There time is NATURAL CAUSES." That is your opinion. You continue to argue from a human perspective. I ask the same question: if God is God, why do you make any distinction between "natural" and "unnatural" causes...? Is it less of a separation if it's "natural"? If God is God, why does He let ANYONE die at all...? Natural, unnatural, if He's God, He has the power to end death altogether, so why doesn't He, and why don't you hold Him just as responsible for "natural" deaths as you do "unnatural" ones...?

And no, He didn't. You have a very primitive and overly simplistic understanding of these things. Retorting with "I know you are, but what am I?" is not good debate form.

I'm happy to argue with you as long as you'd like, but I'm sure it's a waste of your time.
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Whatever............
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No it's not....

Yes he did.
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Ok, kid. Whatever you say.
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Are you seriously that f**king retarded?
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B**chy, c**ty little retort. Of no value to anyone.
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No, you're just an idiot.

Why are you wasting your time talking to me if you don't think I'm worth the effort?

Except the people I'm condemning are doing EXACTLY what the Bible says, and it's not good.

If the Bible is a metaphor, then why does it tell believers to follow it TO.... THE.... LETTER?

No, you're just making false accusations.
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"No, you're just an idiot."

That's a b**chy, c**ty little retort. I thought you weren't making those...?

"Why are you wasting your time talking to me if you don't think I'm worth the effort?"

Why does the sower plant seeds, when he knows he'll have to wait months for the harvest....?

"Except the people I'm condemning are doing EXACTLY what the Bible says, and it's not good."

That would be a big, fat "no." As a self-proclaimed atheist, how are you in ANY position to be judging other people's actions according to the Bible? You don't get to reject the law, and then hold others accountable to it. That's not how it works.

"If the Bible is a metaphor, then why does it tell believers to follow it TO.... THE.... LETTER?"

1. It says nothing of the sort you're trying to make it say

2. Following individual commands "TO...THE....LETTER" does NOT mean the Bible is not metaphor. "No man may see God and live" is a METAPHOR. It does not mean that if you see God with your physical eyes that you will drop physically dead. Boy, you're a thick one, aintcha?

"No, you're just making false accusations."

Like I said...you will believe your delusions until such time as you won't, same as all of us. When it's your time...you'll know it.
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I AM NOT F**KING OFFENDED! DON'T F**KING TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
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Time to switch to decaf.
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LOL. Come on, man, you're just trolling at this point, right..? Good one!
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No, you're just an idiot.
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Why do you cry about retorts, yet constantly make them?
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B**chy, c**ty little retort. The kind you'd expect from a 10-13 year old. What a shame.
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I'm not the deluded one.

I'm not offended.

Atheism isn't a religion. Atheism doesn't have a god. YOU'RE the one who's getting offended. I'm criticizing your religion, and you're acting like a narcissist.

If you're not a believer, then why do you keep defending the Bible?

I'm not religious, I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in ANY deity.

I don't "follow" ANYTHING.

If you're willing to give a legitimate answer, I'm all ears. NOTHING you've given is legitimate.

There are SEVERAL religions and holy texts that talk bad about humanity.

The Bible, like ALL holy texts, was written by a culture seeking to justify it's own bigotry.

I don't wanna be worshipped. I'm not a deity. Seriously, where the f**k do you come up with this shit?

If he revealed himself, there would be video and photographic footage of him, and somebody would've been able to describe what he looked like. Actions aren't proof of existence, ESPECIALLY if it only happened once or twice, and then never again. You can't just show yourself once and expect people from thousands of years later to believe it without HARD evidence. It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

Don't try that cop-out on me. Unless somebody comes forward with ACTUAL evidence of God, then he doesn't exist, simple as that.
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"I'm not offended" - says the guy who continues to make b**chy, snotty, offended retorts. Does the truth offend you? Of course it does. The emperor has no clues, but the man who points it out is called "arrogant."

And yes, you are very, VERY religious...you call your religion atheism, but you defend it as fervently as any catholic knight or muslim imam. Your deity is you, as with all atheists, deny it though you may. This should not surprise you, but it does.

I've explained...at great length...why I am not a believer, but you ignore all of that (because you cannot understand it), and simply repeat your erroneous claims as if I didn't already address them. That's not debate: it's propaganda.

You demand physical proof, and you're never going to get it. You cannot see the image in the picture, because it's not your time to see it. No man can see God and live. And you have no clue what that means...so you ignore it and pretend it wasn't said.

And for the record, you are, as usual, incorrect: there are NO religions and "holy" texts which talk about man the way the Bible does. I didn't say "talk bad about humanity." Read what I wrote again. You just aren't paying attention, and you're a know-it-all who imagines he has all the answers.

Finally...just because something can't be proven, that means it doesn't exist...? So, quarks don't exist? Leptons? Neutrinos? I mean, no one's ever SEEN a neutrino, or touched one, or heard one, or smelled one...so that must mean they don't exist....right?

Take care, son.
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I don't care who you're referring to.
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I'm sure you don't.
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No I haven't. You haven't given ANY legitimate answers.
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That's your opinion, and it's wrong. Rejecting legitimate answers because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not legitimate.
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So it seems.
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Women don't have ballsacks. I cannot sniff what you do not have.

Duh.
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No I don't, I want LEGITIMATE answers. You're the one who's making false accusations, not me.

Now you're just spouting apeshit....

If heroism is the opposite of God, then why do so many Christians, Jews, and Muslims describe him as being a hero? If you can't come up with an answer for that, you've officially abandoned all knowledge.

Now you're just dodging the question.

Then you suck as a human being.

Do you seriously have no understanding of the concept of justice? If you have to compare F**KING GENOCIDE to mere parenting, you suck at debating, PERIOD. Parenting and genocide DO NOT go hand in hand. What Yahweh does in the Bible CAN'T be compared to parenting, because a good parent would NEVER threaten torture on their child.
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Suck as a human being? Is that a retort?
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You've been getting LEGITIMATE answers this entire conversation.

"If heroism is the opposite of God, then why do so many Christians, Jews, and Muslims describe him as being a hero?"

You cannot understand this now, because you're happily ensconced in your delusion, (the mere fact that you're offended that I say that proves it to be the case), but at some point, you'll be released from your prison and know the truth.

The answer to that question is the crux of the entire discussion. So many "christians", jews, and muslims describing God as a "hero" is exactly the point.

You're now asking the right questions, though you don't understand how or why.

Have you ever bothered to ask yourself WHY so many of these people describe God as a "hero"....? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself if thinking about God as a hero is a GOOD thing, or a BAD thing...?

You look at the picture, with the hidden image, and you can't see it, even though it's literally right in front of your face. You look, and look, and look, and can't see a thing. You doubt there's even anything there. But at least you're looking in the right place. Then...when it's your time to see it, all of a sudden, the picture snaps into view, and you can see it. And you're thrilled, because now you can see what everyone else was talking about. And then, you tell others who can't see it that "oh, it's there...you just need to focus"...because you've seen it. But, if you take your eyes off it, it disappears, and you can no longer see it.

It's a poor analogy, but it still works.

Do you know what "no man can see God and live" means...?

As for the concept of justice...all of your arguments are founded on the faulty premise that God is a man, and can be judged as a man. Everything built on that...because it's false...is also false. It can't help but be so. You are like so many evolutionists, who start in the middle, and build their argument from there. "Imagine photo-sensitive cells that evolve into eyes!"

Sure, but...where did the "photo-sensitive cells" come from...?

If you start with the false premise that God killing people is "genocide", then what follows is unassailable. God is, in fact, that monster you claim Him to be...IF you judge Him by human standards. But you've started in the middle.

I understand justice quite fine. But not in the way you do, because you judge God as a human. And until you stop judging God as a human, that will always be the case.
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Why should an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving being get to decide everything? Why shouldn't an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving being be expected the same things as everybody else?

Yes he did.

I'm not the one with the primitive thinking.
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"All-loving being" is a pagan myth. The answer to your question is in your question.

No, He didn't.

"I know you are, but what am I?"
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Don't give me that, he's killed LOADS of children in the Bible. Sometimes, it's hard to tell who was what age when Yahweh killed them. There's also the matter of the scale of damage caused (the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Midianites, the Amelakites, so on and so on) and there's also the final plague on the Egyptians in Exodus (the death of the firstborn of Egypt, INCLUDING the firstborn of slaves and livestock) and then there's that time Yahweh trolled Abraham into almost killing his son Isaac, then changed his mind at the last second.

Dying from natural causes is one thing, but dying by somebody else's hand is another.

Sometimes I wonder....
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Don't give you what...? The fact that your statement, that God killed mostly babies and infants is incorrect? It's incorrect.

For the third time: you clearly think physical death is evil, and therefore, anyone who dies "unnaturally" (which is still irrelevant...if God exists, He certainly has control over disease and age, does He not...?) means they have had an evil act committed against them by God.

Have you ever stopped to consider...just for a little bit (and your comments here demonstrate you have not)...that the way you conceive of physical death is NOT the way God conceives of it, and that physical death...regardless of by who's hand...is not necessarily evil...?

You might want to.

And your understanding of the sacrifice of Isaac is quite inaccurate. God did not "change his mind at the last second."
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Alright Mr. "Smart" Guy, I'm just gonna leave you with these questions: If the verses in the Bible saying that Yahweh is good were omitted, would you come to that conclusion on your own? If the superheroes we all know and love handled problems the way Yahweh does, would they STILL be considered the good guys? Would YOU consider them to be the good guys? And no cop-outs. I want LEGITIMATE answers.
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No, you want answers that agree with your worldview. You've already demonstrated beyond any doubt that you're not open to considering any other viewpoints.

"Superheroes" as a concept stand in opposition to God. Did you know that...? Almost certainly not. Do you know who the "Nephilim" in Genesis is referring to....? It doesn't mean actual, physical giants. It means the same thing that we use today: "giants" of industry, the arts, sports, entertainment. "Men of renown."

"Heroes" in other words. And "Heroism" is the very opposite of God.

And of course they wouldn't be considered "good" if they did what God does. That's the entire point. What you think of as "good", is really evil, and what you think of as "evil" is actually good. You use your incredibly limited human judgment and perspective, and in your arrogant pride, imagine you can see it all.

The answer to your question, then, whether such verses are "omitted" or not, is no. It always has been, and while this world endures, always will be. Not because what God does is evil, but because what God does is simply not understandable by humanity as good...on purpose.

A child about to touch a hot stove and burn himself does not understand when his hand is smacked away to prevent it. He only feels the pain and humiliation of the smack, and calls the action evil. And sometimes, if he persists, his father allows him to touch the stove, so that, because of pain and scarring, he maybe learns to avoid that which can hurt him far worse. The child calls it evil, but maybe, when he grows up, he comes to understand that it was good after all...
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It's not incorrect. Yahweh killed a good many children and babies in the Bible.

I don't think death is evil, but to intentionally end somebody's life before their time, yeah, that's f**ked up.

Why is it ok when Yahweh kills somebody, but not when anybody else does it?

Uh, yeah he did, otherwise, he would've let Abraham carry it out.
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Who are you to judge that someone died "before their time"? No one dies "before their time." When a person physically dies it is, by definition, their time. Just because YOU think it's "before their time" doesn't make it so. Who are you...?

You continue to judge God by your human standards, as if God was no more than a dude who lives down the street from you.

And, uh, no He didn't. You have a very primitive and overly simplistic understanding of these things.
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Perdect! In a nutshell ^

Been waiting a few months to post this.
From a convo some friends were having on Dischord that I missed.
I meant to got back and read back some more, but was busy and...
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According to Christianity, God has been extremely forgiving to us, sending his son to die on the cross to redeem us.
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You're kidding, right?
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I can tell
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Perfect*
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Uhhhh, live with the choice you made. btw there is no eternal hell. We still have free will. Those people would have you killed for merely disagreeing with them.
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Yahweh had people killed for disagreeing with him in the Bible.
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And...?

Set aside the question of whether God exists.

For the sake of the argument...just for the sake of the argument, mind you...imagine He does.

Do you think God is a man, Who has no more right than other men?

Olfactory_Malodorous up there is making the same exact philosophical mistake that all atheists make: judging God by human terms. If God is the Creator of the universe...and you don't need to believe He even exists to understand this...why do you imagine He is bound to mere human understanding and judgment...?

I don't trust YOUR judgment. You ought not trust MINE. So why should YOUR judgment about God be considered valid by anyone...?

If...IF...God exists, and IF He is the Creator of all that is...don't you think that disagreeing with HIM would be a very, very bad idea....? If He is God, then disagreeing with the Omniscient is about as smart as jumping into an active volcano. Right?

Have you even considered the fact that physical death can actually be a GIFT...? To prevent even worse suffering and anguish...? Doubt it.

Your argument only "works" if God is on the same level as man, subject to the same flaws and error that man is...in which case, He isn't God, and therefore doesn't exist.

And that doesn't even CONSIDER the idea of what happens after the end of this life for the individual...

This is all philosophical. None of it requires belief of any kind. To judge God by human standards is foolish, infantile, and stupid....IF He exists. If He doesn't...then it's even more foolish, infantile, and stupid.
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Just because you create something doesn't mean you own it. It also doesn't mean you get to treat it like shit anytime you want.
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"Like shit" according to your human judgment.

And just because you create something doesn't mean you own it...?

lol

Foolish mortal.
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Now you're pulling shit out of your ass.
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Well, I don't actually pull it...it's more of a "push"...but yes, that's where shit comes from...our of your ass.

However, what I said remains true. You judge God by your human standards, which is pretty ridiculous. It's like a 3 year old judging their parents as evil and "treating him like shit" because they won't give him a candy bar.
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There you go again....
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Now I KNOW you're pulling shit out of your ass. Not giving a child a candy bar and slaughtering ENTIRE cities are two COMPLETELY different things. A good parent would NEVER do the things Yahweh does in the Bible.
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The only difference is SCALE. Do you know that sugar...especially in large quantities..is poison...? Do you know that there is no biological need for refined sugar? Do you know that sugar fires the same centers in the brain as heroin, and that it's as addictive, according to some studies? Did you know that the over-consumption of sugar destroys the body over time?

And again...if you consider physical death to be nothing but evil, then yes, you'll think that God is evil. If you don't think God has any right to control His creation, then yes, you'll think that God is evil.

Makes perfect sense.
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Are you seriously comparing eating sugar to mass genocide?

That's what the Nazis thought, wasn't it? That they had every right to control their people?
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Yes, I'm TOTALLY comparing eating sugar to mass genocide.

/sarcasm

4th time now: if you think of all physical death as evil, you will call it "mass genocide"...that is, murder on a large scale. Have you considered that your perspective on physical death may not be the only one that exists....? Have you considered that this life may not be the only one there is....?

When the Nazis become God, I'm sure they, too, will hold the keys of life. I'm not holding my breath.
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You're just putting words in my mouth.

You just missed the point, didn't you?
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Now you're repeating things I already said...
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No I'm not
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Yeah, ok. "I know you are, but what am I?" should be saved for the 5th graders.
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You really have the patience of a statue to debate this guy.
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I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I am a stubborn, persistent son of a gun. ;)
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God speed.
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Do you even hear yourself?
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Nope, not triggered in the slightest
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I'm not crying.
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Well, you made a point of it and i just wanted to point it out.

I will give you full credit for having the stamina to reply so much. :cheers:
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I'm not crying.
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Yeah, you made that point but nice deflection, I guess.
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There's no deflection at all.
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You may not have been 'crying' but complaining about retorts while making them, makes you a hypocrite. Just sayin'!
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I didn't make any retorts.
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Me thinks you'd better shut the f**k up.
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That escalated quickly.
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I don't care....
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i.imgflip.com/2y7zh1.gif (click to show)
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Just stop talking to me
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Or what? You need to relax, dude.
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No, you don't know about me, nothing at all. Good day!
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I know more than enough.

You need God. You wouldn't get so infinitely triggered.

Think about your blood pressure.
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I SAID GOOD DAY!
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Don't try to be polite now, Chippy.
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Go away
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No! I have every right to say whatever the f**k I want.
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EXACTLY! So does EVERYONE else.

Glad you're getting with the program, chief.
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F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
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^^^^^ not triggered lol
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LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Has Timber broken you? Do you hear yourself.

Now I'm concerned.
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Ya know what, f**k you!
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Spoken like a true fedora tipper.

Medication may help you, Benji.
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You don't know anything about me, so why don't you mind your own go***mn business!?!
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who damn...? I thought you didn't believe in God.
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Oh, I know alot about you. Like how how you devolved into screeching, yelling and insults when you get challenged. You come from a single parent household, am I right? No lying now!
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Goodness. Such language.
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LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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STOP TALKING TO ME, JERK!!!!!!!!!!
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Idiot
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:)
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Whatever....
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I don't, now F**K OFF!
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Now you're just being retarded.
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You started out rationally having a debate. Why have you devolved into obscenities?
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BECAUSE YOU WON'T F**KING STOP REPLYING TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think ol' Benji's just messing around, now. No one can be THIS tightly wound.

You just messing around, Ben..?
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It may be a reasonable point previously but it's hard not to opine that he's been driven over the edge.
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F**k you
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You already told us that.
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I don't care, now F**K OFF!
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You are a real prick. Keep going. Have an aneurysm.
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Stop talking to me!
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I'm starting to worry about your sanity.

I'd suggest finding a church and giving yourself to Jesus.

It would stabilize you emotionally.

May God bless you, my brother in Christ.
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No
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No thanks, you're not my type.
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I think you seriously broke him.
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I think he's just fooling around. I would have pity on him, if it wasn't for all the b**chy little retorts he made throughout the discussion. If he's sane enough to make it, he's sane enough to take it.
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No
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Ok.
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Go away
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ok
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GO AWAY!
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Ok.
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What part of "STOP" do you not understand!?!
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I think it's the "st."

No, wait, maybe the "op."

Something like that.
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YOU go!
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You first.
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I SAID STOP!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok!
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F**k off!!!!!!
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Wax on!!!!!!
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Stop
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go
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Good....
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I agree.
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Yeah, the utter hypocrisy is stomach churning.
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Seriously, that's enough....
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Stop!
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Go!
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STOP REPLYING TO ME!
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ok
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F**k off
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ok
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Shut up
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ok.
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F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
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F**kin' T R I G G E R E D
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I'm not triggered at all.
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Whatever....
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There's no harm in admitting that one can get upset.
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Then do it.
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I'm not upset. Even though you're cursing me out.
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Whatever....
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I said I'd leave you alone.
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I don't care, now stop talking to me!
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See, although I said I would, now I don't care.
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STOP F**KING TALKING TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No.
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STOP IT RIGHT F**KING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why are you so triggered? Anyone can post here.
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Okay, bud, I'll leave you be. Peace.
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STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stop!
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Leave me alone!
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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, according to Genesis, that God cast us out of Paradise for partaking of the fruit which the Serpent God shared with us that would give us the capacity to understand and have fee will.
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Did God give them free will to do it after being warned?
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The other one did.

You probably wouldn't want me to continue on where this is going.
I usually save it for the self righteous and willfully blind.
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While the other one was given domination over earth, God still has the final control. Had he not wanted the option available, why would He present it? Altho I admit I don't know the reason.
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Exactly :)
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*the reason exactly
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I don't want to fudge with your beliefs because you're not an asshole.

Let's put it this way, the story is an old one that has passed through various cultures. Details change, perspectives altered also.
I have trouble finding online more than scanty mentions, but basically originally the Serpent was cast as more a diety and a good one. Snakes in the East were not traditionally seen as the symbols of evil they're cast as in the West. They represented wisdom, shedding skin is a sign of renewal.

The Garden story was apparently originally more representative of the conflict between a hunter gatherer society and a settled agrarian one. The Serpent got demonized as the story went from one people to another, they inserting their chief diety as the God in conflict with the Serpent, and thus he as the good one.
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I have no problems with hearing varying views.

It's tough to argue an argument of faith. But I've just had experiences where I've been in a place where some things are hard to argue. Most of my life I've hated all organized religion, tho believed in a creator. Now I just don't like most. Though people transcend it and others fail with support and knowledge.
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I was raised Catholic but even early on disagreed with the concepts of Holy Father Popes and Reverend Father Priests. I told you that before, that I even considered converting to Judaism because that is what Jesus preached.

I was also exposed to different religions within my household growing up, so the 'truth' as one limited version which damned the rest was utter nonsense to me.

In 2000 I lost my faith. I joke that I graduated. I require no fear of an old man in the sky nor need for an eternal life to make up for me wasting this one to keep my morals straight.
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I'm not triggered
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Well, I know that the Babylonian epic Gilgamesh has an earlier origin then the Bible. That's used to discredit the Bible all the time.

But an account of something that was accounted later doesn't necessarily discredit what was recounted later.
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But that's a mistake everyone makes.
How can there be this one universal supreme being but that revealed itself to only a small obscure nation a few millenia ago and all the other stories that predate theirs but sound the same are false?
If there is a creator, then it would reveal itself to all creation, and all those permutations of similar stories lend validity to theirs, not contradiction.
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But it's not false. The Babylonians suffered the flood. Whether they had survivors or it was a rememberance from repopulated people that brought tradition, I don't see how an account of a great event negates the telling of it after.

But it did, after it was rejected by the Israelites, because Jesus wouldn't smash the Roman overlords.
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But Christians discount the flood tale of Babylonians and others without realizing all they're doing is further invalidating their own beliefs.

Judeans, because Israelites were already gone.
Messiahs are supposed to repel occupying enemies. All this Saul/Paul trippy stuff - there's a reason it was written by Romans and added on as the New Testament. Is God's word God's? Or was that to be determined and re-edited by those who arrested, tried, judged, and exectuted Jesus? The Seat of the Beast is where according to the NT itself?

So a universal creator reveals itself to only one group of people not realizing they were the wrong ones? Regardless, the Jews did not reject their God, it is still their God and their religion even after all this time. "And their seed shall be scattered throughout all the land yet they shall not forget who they are"

Say what you will, it is still their religion. Christianity bears little resemblance to it or what Jesus preached. It actually is more like Zoroastrianism or Hinduism.
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This one doesn't. Just because something happened in 2300bc , was discussed in 2000 bc, then in 1450, all dates approx, doesn't mean that word of mouth didn't pass down and that the later version was copying rather than passing on a oral tradition or lost text. What the hell else are you going to to in the down time? With some Christian groups that occured later, where the pope's men would try to eradicate people that learned the Bible on their own without the church's interpretation, where Jesuits would swear an oath to 'dash the children's heads against trees' during their initiations, people memorized chapters of the Bible, word for word. I can't remember the people's names tho.

Goodnight! I'll finish tomorrow.
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This, too, is quite incorrect. The "universal creator" did not reveal "itself" to only one group of people. He (God) CREATED His own group of people...Israel...from a single man (and his wife)...Abraham.

If you're going to have this discussion, you're going to have to recognize the fictitious elements which your pagan upbringing has accumulated and at least acknowledge them, if not discard them.

If one takes the Bible literally...as nearly all the followers of Babylon (denominations of every kind) do...then one is going to run into problems about what "Messiahs" are supposed to do. The Bible is a spiritual, spiritual book.
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While this is all fascinating from an anthropological, religious fiction point of view, it has very little to do with the allegory of the Creation and the Fall.

For example...there are no "snakes" in the story; "serpent" was, and always has been, a metaphor.

Now, make with the b**chy little retorts and the memes of clowns who haven't bathed in several months.
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By the way, that comment..."I don't want to fudge with your beliefs because you're not an asshole"...is very condescending of you to make. You're basically saying "I hold the answers, but I won't give them to you, because I think it's more important for you to hold on to (what I think is) your religious fiction."

You merely assume that someone's beliefs CAN be "fudged with", because you, being an "enlightened atheist", know the truth.

Now, that's not to say that someone's beliefs can't be "fudged with"...virtually everything that everyone believes is patent nonsense, after all...but the Truth, to whatever degree one possesses it...and the Truth can be found in anyone, anywhere, at any time....cannot be "fudged with", regardless of by whom.

The fact that you're unwilling to share what YOU think of as truth, because you don't want to mess with (what you think of as) their religious fantasies is very selfish and condescending.

Dirty clown meme away!
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To be fair, he said that because we get along and I respect the fact he appreciates that I believe in religion and didn't want to debate if it would upset me. Which it wouldn't. There are people here I disagree with but I wouldn't bring it up because I wouldn't want to strain a good relationship over someone's opinion.

Just my take, right or wrong.
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I want you to continue where this is going. How's about that...?

Is self righteous and willfully blind self referential...?
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Sure it is. It's completely wrong, on multiple levels.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjCRWeG_AQ
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Hi stalker!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjCRWeG_AQ
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Thanks, but I don't check out YouTube links from imgflip. Everyone's capable of responding for themselves.
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You really should check it out, it'll explain things better than I ever could.
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Don't need to. I already know what it says, without even looking at it. You can (and should) answer for yourself, rather than let others speak for you.
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Did you even watch the video?
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As I already said, I don't watch YouTube links from imgflip message threads.
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You really oughta consider it.
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I already have. I've been going back and forth with you for the past two days.
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I'm also gonna leave this here: If Heaven exists, how could Hell exist? How could someone be happy in Heaven KNOWING that somebody they dearly love is being tortured in Hell? If in Heaven your mind is changed so drastically that it would no longer bother you, then you are no longer you.
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No you don't.
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No I don't what...?
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Then tell me what the video was like
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I didn't watch the video, as I have told you now 3 times. I know exactly what it's going to say...and its multitude errors in reasoning...solely from interacting with you.
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No you don't
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No I don't what?
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We aren't incapable of understanding that.

"God is not a human, not bound by human ideas of right and wrong"

According to Christianity, didn't he give us our ideas of right and wrong by "writing them on our hearts"?

"Even if God DID "act like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot" (which He doesn't), so...?"

Then that would make him a disgusting piece of shit, which he is.
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Came to the world He created to be tortured and crucified so he could be the scapegoat that took on the world's sin so that we may be saved. What a reeeal asshole. What the hell is wrong with you?
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The Bible says he came to Earth and took on a human body so that he could sacrifice himself to himself as way to get around rules that he created in the first place and wouldn't have to send us to the Hell that he also created. Doesn't that sound pretty silly?

Imagine if a father said to his son "you disobeyed me, and there has to be a punishment. You deserve to be punched in the face for what you did, but because I love you so much, I'm going to punch myself in the face instead. How does that sound?"
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No, because I think it's possible that we aren't the only ones out there. We may go to another dimension, in another form, after we die, where there have been others watching this, so God is sticking to his original plan of free will and showing others that God was right without breaking his rules. I could put it better a few years ago. Good will prevail over evil. Look up the scapegoat and Lucifer's fall from heaven.

If he said, "for everything you did wrong in your life, I will take it on me if you'll see the errors of the lustful way of your flesh and repent and love me and choose good, regardless of the pain you suffered for 100 short years, you'll be with me forever, for eternity, in 'bliss'". I'd be pretty stoked.

And I put that in quotes because I think bliss in this case means complete fulfillment and peace.
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"God is sticking to his original plan of free will and showing others that God was right without breaking his rules"

What do you mean by this? I'm sorry but I don't understand.

Also, how do you know that what god says is wrong is actually wrong? If a parent tells their kid that doing something is wrong, does that automatically mean it is, just because the parent says so?
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It's basically Lucifer's haughtiness and challenging of God. I can't remember all the details. I know you think God is evil but that's not true. I'll look into it if you care. Satan demands compliance. The mark will be written on the head (mind) and the hand (action), for Satan. But for God's people it's only on the head. Because God gives you the choice with your hands, where Satan wants your thoughts and actions, or something like that. Seriously, read the new testament first.

If God can design an ecosystem like the earth, where we have seasons, mostly inhabitable sections, besides the sea, where we can survive, without the temperature dipping or rising more that it does, where plant life, animals, water, sunshine etc can work together so well and sustain us so handsomely, yeah, I'd trust Him. Who the hell am I?
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Yeah, that sounds pretty silly...good thing that's not what it says.

You're still laboring under the delusion of Babylon the Great (aka, all of man's religions), and trying to debunk that which is already false. You're just as captive to her, in your rebellious "I reject God!!" way, as anyone in any of her churches throughout the world.

You still believe in the corrupted parody called "god" by man's religions and think you're ever so clever in rejecting a lie...except it's not the lie you believe it to be. And you don't get "sent to Hell." You're already IN hell, as we speak.

But you won't believe that, because it's more important for you to hold on to your straw man fictitious pagan fairy tale, just so you can "reject" it, than face the fact that everything you've believed your whole life is wrong.

It's like rejecting Thor, or Isis, or Spider-Man, and being smug about it. If you're going to reject God, reject GOD...not a pagan fable, the "another Jesus" that Paul talked about, and which every single single "denomination", from the Catholics to the Orthodox to the Lutherans to the Baptists to the Mormons to the Seventh Day Adventists and every single other "denomination" that exists, ever has existed, or ever will exist has deluded itself into worshiping.

He'll respect you a lot more for it.
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How about you describe the god you believe in and I'll tell you if I believe it exists. You seem to be convinced that just about the entirety of Christianity has got it wrong, even at the most fundamental level.
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I don't believe. Do you know what "to believe" means, according to the Bible...? Hint: it doesn't mean to "mentally assent" or "accept on faith."

What you call "just about the entirety of Christianity", the Bible calls "Babylon the Great." I'm also quite certain you've never heard that before, since the vast majority hasn't. If you follow that train of thought, you'll be started, at least.
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So you're saying you have some knowledge that seems to have eluded almost everyone else?
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By the way...look at the rest of this thread, and the other comments. There's a substantial amount of fiction being presented as fact. Example: that a universal supreme being revealed itself to a small obscure nation. That's fiction. That's not what the account says. The account says that God *created* that nation out of a *single man*...Abraham...and with the explicit intention of making him INTO that nation to be His means of revelation to the entire world.

The "universal supreme being" didn't "reveal itself" to a "small obscure nation." God revealed Himself to one man, and grew that nation from him. That's what the account says.

Whether you accept or reject the account is irrelevant; the account, true or not, says what it says.

And that's just one of an endless litany of fictions that Babylon the Great has created and sustained.
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I clearly think things that many, many people would disagree with. Has it eluded anyone? Yes and no. It's there, but if people choose to hold on to their fables, of what value is the Truth?

After all...your understanding of what the Bible does and does not say is heavily, if not entirely, influenced by the pagan fairy tales of man's religions, like "burning in Hell for eternity." There's no such thing. But when I say there's no such thing, you say "oh, so you're saying there's no Hell?" No. I say there's no such thing as "burning in Hell for eternity." Most of the world is in Hell right now, including you, including me, because Hell is not a geographic place. It's a spiritual state of being.

The "Hell" invented by Dante is pure pagan fiction, made nonsense only because people believe it true, like believing Snow White is true.

So if you don't understand what the Bible says, how can you be in a position to reject it...?

But you readily accept the pagans' ideas and fictions about Hell, because it "makes sense" to you, too, and allows you to believe yourself superior because you reject such "silly nonsense" (but which you secretly fear might still be true.)

And how do I know that...? Because you rail against these things so vociferously. I don't see you railing against Asgard, or Valinor, or Olympus. And if confronted by believers in those things, I doubt you'd waste much time addressing them. But if you didn't secretly fear that the pagans' "Bible" stories might be true, you would leave the "believers" alone, rather than challenging them at every opportunity.

Real atheists don't care what fables people believe, and certainly don't spend a substantial amount of time mocking them.
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"and allows you to believe yourself superior because you reject such "silly nonsense" (but which you secretly fear might still be true.)"

I don't secretly fear that it might be true. I have no reason to believe it is true. Just like I'm guessing you don't fear the Hell that Muslims believe in.

And the reason I address Christian beliefs and not beliefs of the ancient Norse or Greeks is because people in this country in this day and age use their Christian beliefs to try and influence polices and legislation which I think is harmful.

I base my views of Hell on mainstream Protestant teaching as well as what the Bible itself says. And the Bible says that Hell is for eternity.
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What you *say* you believe and what your words *indicate* you believe are not the same thing.

The fact that you repeat the fiction that "the Bible says that Hell is for eternity" proves that.

You will not let go of your pagan fairy tales, because it's important to you to be able to think yourself superior to "believers" for "rejecting" them.

Your reasoning for addressing it is a red herring; people in this country in this day and age use their Muslim beliefs to try and influence and policies which I think is harmful, too. I don't waste (much) time trying to "debunk" Islamic mythology, and especially not by giving it a veneer of legitimacy. I address policy. You DO waste your time trying to "debunk" "christian" mythology. "Hell is for eternity" has little to do with whether or not we should be allowing illegals immigrants free access to medical care.
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"I base my views of Hell on mainstream Protestant teaching"

Yes, I know. That's what I've been saying this entire conversation. Pagan fairy tales. "mainstream Protestant teaching" = "Babylon the Great."
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Who is "we"? Who are you speaking for, and why do you think you speak for them?
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I'm speaking for the atheists who also are quite capable of understanding that. If they agree with me on this specific issue, then I am speaking for them in that sense.

You keep saying that god isn't subject to our understanding. Then how can you know that anything he does is actually in our best interest? How can you know anything about him at all?

And even if god does exist, who says he deserves our worship and obedience? Just because one being is more powerful than another being doesn't mean the lesser being owes the greater being anything at all.
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Why do you imagine you speak for anyone but yourself? Was there an election? Did the International Atheists Union appoint you to be their spokeswoman...?
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Nope, I just know that there are people out there that would say the same thing, because I've heard them say the same thing

And even if God does exist, who says he deserves our worship and obedience? Just because one being is more powerful than another being doesn't mean the lesser being owes the greater being anything at all.
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It does when He creates you. Where would you be without him?
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If god exists but didn't create me, I wouldn't exist. But why do I owe him anything for creating me when I never asked him to?

Isn't bringing a being into existence without their permission the ultimate violation of free will?
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So you'd rather not exist? You always have a choice.
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I'd think winning the ultimate lottery, imagine your mother had a headache the night you were conceived, should be a happy event. And you always have choice to end it.
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Honor thy father and mother.
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Then speak for yourself, and leave the "we" out of it.

You're making the same old bad arguments you've always made.You are completely correct, that just because one being is more powerful doesn't mean the lesser being owes the greater being anything. That is obviously and self-evidently true.

But that's not Who God is.

God...the actual God, not the "god" the world's churches worship, and what you rail against in your "disbelief"...isn't merely a "more powerful being." He created all that is. He gave life, and at a minimum, that deserves obedience. Of course, that's really the crux of the matter, innit...?

You're not an atheist. Not even remotely. You believe in the "god" of the world's churches just as fervently as they do. You're just as invested in that pagan fable as they are. If that weren't so, you would welcome the idea that that pagan fable is a lie, and would rejoice to find out the god you have hated all these years doesn't actually exist.

But you don't. You reject that, too, because you believe just as much as anyone else who is a captive of Babylon the Great.
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You tell me to speak for myself and not other people, then you follow that up by trying to tell me that I'm not an atheist, which means you're trying to speak for me. In point of fact you cannot speak for me. You cannot tell me what I am. I am an atheist. I don't believe in any deities, gods, God, or supernatural entities.

You say giving life means he deserves obedience. Why?
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So you'd let a 5 yo you had walk all over you? Really?
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Do you believe a child has to do whatever their parent tells them (and I mean literally anything, even if it's illegal)?
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Yeah, a 5 yo has no choice as to what will happen. It's because they are basically retarded and you hope the parents will be responsible. But God is ancient. And knows His way around.
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In other words, if you were an actual atheist, you wouldn't bring up pagan fairy tale nonsense, like "eternal burning in Hell" and argue against it as if it's legitimately worthy of being debated in the first place.

Like I said, it's like dismissing Thor. "It's completely silly to believe in Ragnarok, and people are so stupid for believing that there's going to be a great final battle where most of the gods and nearly all of humanity is killed, and the world is flooded with water. People who believe that are SUCH dummies! I'm glad *I* don't believe that nonsense!"

Indeed.
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So simply mentioning Bible stores is evidence to you that I actually believe them? I'm not sure how you figure that.
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It's a hard thing to give up one's beliefs, even if it's just to convince the world how much you don't believe them...
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Explain how talking about something means I believe in it
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See above.
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I'm not speaking for you. I'm telling you what is easily observed by what you say, and how you say it. I don't say to others "Octopus_Medusa thinks/says/believes so and so." I say it to you. That's plain observation, mate, not "speaking for you."

And you are as much of an atheist as Billy Graham was...and Billy Graham was a SERIOUS atheist. "But...but..but..that doesn't make any sense! He said he believed all his life!"

I guess, then, that believing means something different from the accepted, "standard" definition, then...and the fact that you stubbornly cling to pagan fairy tales, just so you can feel superior in "rejecting" them, veritably shouts that you, sir, are no atheist of any kind.

It's like being proud that you reject Spider-Man as your personal lord and savior, and anyone who believes in Spider-Man as their personal lord and savior is a fool...

...well DUH.

Spider-Man is no more real than the pagan fairy tales you believe, but claim to reject. Again...if you didn't believe them, you would embrace the idea that what you've "rejected" isn't, in fact, real in the first place. But you don't. In fact, you constantly CITE those pagan fairy tales any time someone else brings the topic up, which proves you BELIEVE THEM TO BE TRUE, on SOME basic level...so you can then signal your superiority by rejecting such "obvious foolishness"...not realizing that it is, in fact, obvious foolishness.
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