Cain and Abel

Cain and Abel |  The difference between those Religion & Christianity are as follows:; Christians know's their inability, but trust in God's eternal promise to save them.  Abel's sacrifice was in recognition of that fact. Those in religion sought God's eternal approval by giving their first fruits of their labor. | image tagged in cain and abel,memes,gospel,salvation,christianity,religion | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Amen
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An Omniscient Diety doesn't need a sacrifice to prove anything to Him...He already knew as He was creating His Creations.
The Christian Deity is an Immortal, not an Omniscient Deity.
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Hi Capie44; let me ask you a series of questions: is God good?
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I would have to understand, "What difference does that make to the above point." One can be evil (ISA 45-7) and still be Omniscient.
But to try to answer: I hope so! And by "good," I would define that as, "Consistent in production and compromising ethics."
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Let's say that He is good as we've hoped He is. If He is good, would you then say that He is the opposite of what is bad; and if He's the opposite of bad, then how does He see sin?

And what does that make the person who sins?
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The definition of "good," would be "within Expectations.
The definitions of "bad," would be "not meeting Expectations.

Sinner: Bad. Doesn't meet Expectations. To an all-knowing creating the bad, there would be no other that would be responsible.
This leaves ALL things created within expectation(s), ergo, no sin/only perfection.
Hence, the Middle Eastern religions do not worship neither an Omniscient or an Immortal -- they worship a book.
A book that, on almost every page and certainly inscribed by every book within the book, has the Immortal failing to create to Meet His Expectation(s) -- which also gives suspicion that God is female - they like to blame others for their own efforts not meeting expectation(s).

Additionally, creating a creation and blaming it for behaving as created instead of as expected, would be bad (and immoral) as it does not meet expectation(s).
This is why the entirety of Middle Eastern religions (and their off-shoots) do not bear the weight of their own explanations. Remove the bad tree (or who created it) and you have the rest of the book dissolve.
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Those are the topics we can discuss later. The point I wanted to make, is that if God is good He hates evil;. and because He hates evil, He must deal with that evil or He ceases to be Just

He must punish sin for what it is; an abhorrance and an act of rebellion against Him. He told Adam. not to eat of the fruit lest he die and He did. Now we could have carried out the sentence, but instead, killed an animal in place of Adam and Eve. Thus the reason for animal sacrifices.
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Your statement is the poster-child for my second paragraph. The Immortal you're referring to is too stupid to realize -as He is creating - He is creating two souls beneath His Expectation(s) and the statement is equally without credit, respect for Omniscient, awareness of what is being said in your direction, and bores me.

I can tell there was not even a glimpse at the meme included.

Give me a challenge, please. I'll help you out: Whatever your statement, you must satisfy the two most poisonous words of Middle Eastern tomes;
* Expectation
* Omniscience.

Then there will be a challenge.
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You're answer determines whether we'll continiue this discussion. Do you my point on why God had instituted Animal Sacrifices: yet or no?
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Like Middle Eastern catering god/yaweh/allah on being an immortal, I would imagine they would want something like that. It is the sacrificers method of teaching their (ignorant) immortal where they stand on the ol' approval meter. My history admittedly shallow on the average rites.

Speaking omnisciently: not necessary to prove anything.

Seriously, taking your example and (boringly) repeating myself, an all-knowing would not be included in your point so it is rather moot.

An Immortal would. Which are you applying your example - though it is quite clear it would be the Immortal, but I'll politely ask (btw, I have shit-skills in tact, sorry about my lack of talent.)

In short, if either the Omniscient or the immortal didn't want anything, He shouldn't have created it. When, in the beginning, one has nothing, starts with nothing, it leaves nothing to excuses or transition regarding who is to blame for not meeting one's own expectation(s).

Your point of "...ceases to be Just." only applies to an immortal. An Omniscient can be Just because there is no Unjust -- unless He is equally limited (ceasing to be Omnipotent) as the Immortal and must store unproductive values in a Reality say, oh, like this one.
Then He would have to have victims of that Unjust say, oh, us ("us" being all species.")

But unless you're talking about an immortal, you're question and points do not apply.
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Well you've proven to me that you are nothing more than an intellectual thug.

Thus ends our debate.

Please leave.
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Giving more thought, it would be nice for you to, at least, finalize your point regarding animal sacrifices.
"Omniscient" & "Expectation" are poison to any association with an Immortal. You should try the philosophy, it always defeats explanations.
"Intellectual Thug" is classy...you could have said, "troll." I like your tact that I don't possess. Classy.
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Thank you Bud. Have a great weekend.
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And remember, God is perfect, therefore, His Creations are perfect for He does not, like the book and copper-age ragheads who wrote it claim, waste His Time & Effort creating beneath His Expectation.
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capie44, you can count on me to ignore every post you've made here. After all, if you won't listen to me, why should I with you?

You might be a Troll, but trust me, you won't excape from the judgment of God (Galatians 6:7 & Isaiah 64:6).

Your only hope is to trust Jesus alone for your salvation; He bled and died for your sin you've committed against God. And when you've repent of your sins and believe in Him, He will give you eternal life (Mark 1:15 & John 5:24). This He can give to the worst of sinners. because He is good, merciful, longsuffering, and abounding in lovingkindness (Exodus 34:6-7a)

Do it not, you will have only yourself to blame (Exodus 34:6-7b). Laugh now, you will be weeping and gnashing your teeth in the fires of Hell where there is NO reprieve, and NO escape (Luke 16:23-31).

YOU will suffer in terrible agony for an eternity.

That is what will await you, if you do not accept the free gift of salvation (Hebrews 10:31).
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One day two men were driving discussing the spiritual future of the one of them when the car fatally crashed for both of them.
Finding themselves standing before God, the right man stepped forward and proclaims, "I am ready for judgment."
God asked, "Why do you feel you need judged?"

"Well, the man on the right explained, "God...er, You, gave man a choice ...tree...kicked out...sin...the end."

"I see," said God. Then He looked over at the man on the left, "Do you feel I need to judge you?"

"No." the man simply replied.

"Why not?" asked God.

"You know the answer already" the man on the left replied.

"Indeed I do, but the other man needs to know," God instructed.

"It is because You are All-Knowing," the man on the left replied quietly.

God looked pleasantly at the man on the left and proclaimed, "you may go in."

The man on the right was shocked.

"BUT Lord My GOD!" he exclaimed, "I have spent my entire life proving to you that I am worthy of your Grace and being able to share the Kingdom of Heaven in your Glory that I became Pope!".
I prayed, fasted, confessed, did human service, did penances, sacrificed, abstained, studied, lived and breathed to serve You!" the Pope cried. "Why did you let this atheist into Heaven when I spent so much effort of my life proving to you I am worthy?"

God smiled, "Because he is not an atheist, he just has faith in Me. So much faith that He did nothing to prove to Me what I already knew about him. He trusted me blindly. You spent so much time and effort proving to Me what I already knew about your faith...a faith I knew as I was creating you. Now go in and enjoy yourself! (and get your nose out of my butt.)

Who proves their faith in God? The fella that looks over his shoulder as he leans back, or the one that closes his eyes and just leans back and let's his catcher seal his fate?

(Of course you ignored me, Uniform Victor, or you wouldn't have kept insulting God's Intelligence.
Good luck getting past the judgment day you're demanding.)
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"...insuling God's Intelligence..." or ignoring you are arguing against your (our) beliefs. The only difference between us is that I put my beliefs in practice -- in short, my beliefs and practice play well together.
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The difference between those Religion & Christianity are as follows:; Christians know's their inability, but trust in God's eternal promise to save them. Abel's sacrifice was in recognition of that fact. Those in religion sought God's eternal approval by giving their first fruits of their labor.
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