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same number of days in office | DIA TRUMP 43.47 VS OBAMA 66.81; SPY TRUMP 38.01 VS OBAMA 72.47; MDY TRUMP 21.24 VS OBAMA 106.47; SLY TRUMP 19.64 VS OBAMA 117.23 | image tagged in trump,obama,stock market | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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6 ups, 5y,
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You posted this before and your numbers are an outright lie. As of the close on 7/5/2019, these are the real quotes.

DIA - 269.27 - highest ever
SPY - 298.27 - highest ever
MDY - 357.89 - highest ever
SLY - 68.06 - The SLY never was 117.23. The highest it ever hit is 78.12 on 8/1/2018 under Trump.

At no time since Trump's took office has any of the EFT's you mention been lower than when Obama was in office. In fact, EVERY EFT you mention had it's lowest point in history while Obama was in office.

If you're going to lie, you should not do so on something that is not so easily checked.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIA?p=DIA&.tsrc=fin-srch
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPY?p=SPY&.tsrc=fin-srch
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MDY?p=MDY&.tsrc=fin-srch
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SLY?p=SLY&.tsrc=fin-srch
8 ups, 5y,
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4 ups, 5y
Well now, Yahoo would never fudge anything. LOL
6 ups, 5y
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1 up, 5y,
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I have showed you the numbers which you claim is a lie. Show me your sources that show Trump's stock market returns are better than Obama's stock market returns.

You can't. Because they don't. You are the liar here sir.
6 ups, 5y,
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This will be the last time I humor you. You want numbers. OK.

These charts are right from Morningside, they are not some number I made up. Unlike numbers you make up to push a narrative, these speak to the total return of investment. This includes dividends, price, and expenses.

These charts compare the TOTAL RETURN ON INVESTMENT of SPY and DIA for Obama's last year in office to Trumps first year in office. No matter how you look at the numbers, whether by price, NAV, USD, or sector, Trump's numbers outperformed Obama in every quarter and continue to do so.

You are trying to push your narrative by using a formula meant for corporate capital investment that was never meant to represent the actual total return an equity investment will generate.

You cherry pick at a single metric, which you even screw up, and say that proves my point. You ignore the big picture. You need to look at the entire U.S. economy.

If you want to compare economies, compare unemployment, job growth, GDP growth, wage growth, and market indices.

I am done with this and with you.
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1 up, 5y
Man you are super dense. This proves nothing but you cherry picking. How long did it take you to find a comparison that favors your boy?

Trump has been in office for 618 stock market days, so naturally a sane person would look at the first 618 stock market days to any other president for a fair and complete comparison. Not the cherry picking you have done here fool.

You said my numbers were a lie, I have proven you lied about that because my numbers are correct.

Please uphold you silly empty promises about not replying to me or commenting on any of my memes. Go back to your cave and make love to your Trump blow up doll.
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1 up, 5y
Obama's 1st term spy doubled, how much more return is Trump going to have to get to match Obama's first 4 yrs? hahahahhaa
I know you are incapable or unwilling to do the math
4 ups, 5y,
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4 ups, 5y,
2 replies
You are a very nasty person, but I like you. Why? Wtf knows?
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
I have a theory on why that may be.
4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
We've been through alot together.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
No. You know deep down in your soul that 45 is a pos human being and you think defending him from his distractors gives you an open mind and that allows you to live with yourself for supporting such a pos human being
4 ups, 5y
Regardless of Trump, at least we can celebrate our great friendship.
4 ups, 5y
Love you too.
4 ups, 5y
4 ups, 5y,
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Again you are misleading.

You are looking at percentage growth. Of course when something costs $1 and goes to $1.50 that is a 50% growth as opposed to something costing $2 and going to $2.50 which is then 25% growth, even though the real dollars are the same.

You are also not looking at the dividends. The SLY on July 1, 2016, under Obama, was paying $0.1655 while on July 1, 2019, under Trump the dividend is $0.251, an increase of 34%. If you want to discuss performance, look at the ARR on an investment.

There is no way you can say the economy was better under Obama than under Trump. All indices, jobs, unemployment, wage growth, and corporate investment are all the best they have been in decades if not ever. The DOW, S&P, and NASDAQ are at all-time highs.

You are the one who is making yourself look stupid. Next, you will be saying Obama was a good president.
4 ups, 5y,
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Are you totally ignorant of how economics and the stock market work? Let me explain why your numbers are misleading.

First of all, the internal rate of return (IRR), that you are using, is a metric used by businesses for capital budgeting for future expansion. IRR is a discount rate that makes the net present value (NPV) of all cash flows from a particular project equal to zero.

Once the internal rate of return is determined, it is typically compared to a company’s hurdle rate or cost of capital. This is not something you do for equities as it ignores net income as an asset.

For equity investments, Accounting Rate of Return (ARR) or sometimes called the Annual Rate of Return is used. ARR is the average net income an asset is expected to generate divided by its average cost, expressed as an annual percentage. This is the de facto method for comparing the performance of investments with liquidity.

By your logic, using IRR for investments would mean that nobody would buy bonds or any fixed income product since the IRR would be zero as the undiscounted price per share doesn't change. You can not ignore the total income generated by an investment.

Next, when comparing Obama's economy to Trumps it is also necessary to look at the big picture. Trump has achieved the Lowest unemployment in decades, higher job growth than Obama, higher wage growth than any time during Obama, higher GDP than any time during Obama and higher than he said could be reached, the highest percentage employed since 1960, and the highest stock markets indices in history.

Trump's job growth may falter a little going forward as companies are starting to have a hard time finding qualified workers, though this may translate into even higher wage growth.

Now some other facts about how well Obama did.

Obama is the only President in history to have an average annual growth rate of just 1.46%. the overall weakest of any expansion since 1929. Obama's "recovery" has officially been called the worst recovery in US history according to Forbes Business.

Obama is the only President in history to not have one year of GDP over 3%. Every other president in American history, even the really bad ones, (of which he is the worst) had at least one year when U.S. GDP grew by at least 3 percent.

Finally, using ad hominem never helps your argument. It only shows a weak argument from a weak mind.
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1 up, 5y,
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IRR is used to compare investment performance.
Facts are that of these 13 investment vehicles only 1 of them has performed better under Trump
1 out of 13

You are a typical Trumptard that doesn't know shit about the stock market or the economy. You just regurgitate the Fox news talking points.

You claim Trump is great and Obama the worst yet the Donald's stick market returns are batting 1 of 13 compared to Obama's stock market returns.

1 of 13
If 45 was as good as you say and think the route wouldn't be that pronounced.

You have demonstrated you don't know how to compare stock market returns and yet you think you are an expert on the economy. Hahahahahahahaha
4 ups, 5y,
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Sorry, you're wrong and or just trying to advance an illogical narrative.

IRR is used for corporate investments and ARR is used for equity investments.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/annual-return.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/internal-rate-of-return-rule.asp

You might want to do some reading. Especially the IRR rule. Most equity investors don't do a cost of capital analysis.

Still with the ad hominem. Must be the weak mind.
5 ups, 5y,
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You obviously have no desire to improve your understanding of economics. Your conclusions are incorrect and yet you continue to extort them. All you do is repeat the same dribble like a petulant child, with no research and no basis in fact. You use incorrect formulas and manipulate the outcome to satisfy your narrative.

If you truly believe that Obama's economy was better than Trump's is, please enjoy your ignorance. I will, however, keep calling you out every time you post this misinformation so others may know how misinformed you really are.

This discussion is over. If you ever grow up, I may be willing to help further your financial education.
2 ups, 5y
;)
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3 ups, 5y
Trump is leading in only 1 of the 9 sector etf's.
Utilities
1 out of 13 ain't bad huh?
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3 ups, 5y,
1 reply
MAGA cat is confused.
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3 ups, 5y,
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3 ups, 5y,
1 reply
;)
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4 ups, 5y
Only he can fix things.
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DIA TRUMP 43.47 VS OBAMA 66.81; SPY TRUMP 38.01 VS OBAMA 72.47; MDY TRUMP 21.24 VS OBAMA 106.47; SLY TRUMP 19.64 VS OBAMA 117.23