Change My Mind

Dude... Bruh...

Are you religious?

Yeah, why?

Okay, I was just going to mention evolution and the atheists take on reproduction being the 'meaning of life'.

Think about everything that had to happen over generation after generation with your paternal and maternal line for you to end up being born. Seems a shame you think that line should end.

I don't get your end goal tho. Humans should die out? Who should have children?

Yes, I do believe that the world would be a better place if humans went extinct, but one doesn’t have to believe that to know how detrimental it is that people are reproducing far more rapidly than they’re dying.

The birthrate in the west and Japan are already below replacement rates. So your problem really is with Africans, Chinese, Indians, Hispanics and a few others, I guess.

Pretty cold tho. Especially if you think we are creatures made by God for this planet. And I could make the case that those that don't want children for reasons of selfishness are just, if not more, the narcissists.

But you do you, bro.

“The birthrate in the west and Japan are already below replacement rates. So your problem really is with Africans, Chinese, Indians, Hispanics and a few others, I guess.”

And obviously, there are far less people in the west and in Japan. Every birth unnecessarily contributes to the overpopulation, even if the birth in question is in a less populated area. It’s simple math, really.

“Pretty cold tho. Especially if you think we are creatures made by God for this planet.”

It doesn’t make a difference if we were made by God. He also made all of the animals who have to be halocausted by humans (especially nonvegans) into the fate of deforestation. Humans are destroying ecosystems left and right, so every nonhuman casualty caused by a human has nothing to do with the food chain.

“And I could make the case that those that don't want children for reasons of selfishness are just, if not more, the narcissists.”

Really?! How can it possibly be selfish to prevent a hypothetical human from existing?! The more humans are born, the more nonhumans must die to accomodate each human’s needs, so even if you believe that refusing to procreate is equivalent to murder, bringing another human into existence only results in more nonhuman casualties! What’s truly narcissistic is passing down one’s own genes to make a mini version of yourself at the expense of other people’s resources! Need I say more?!

Having children is necessary for humanity's survival. If people have children less, the human population will decline and probably get to the point where humanity becomes extinct.

Humans are already causing countless other species to go extinct. Even though the world would be a much better place if humans all went extinct, one doesn’t have to believe that to know that humans are reproducing at an unsustainable rate. Why do you care about the survival of our species? That’s like saying there should be more Asians in the world just because you’re Asian. Such logic as that demonstrated in your argument really just boils down to genetic bigotry, often either racism or speciesism.

Get a time machine and convince your parents of that.

greed is a good thing.

As a fellow ancap, I know that greed is a good thing, but people who are having kids are a much larger waste of taxes than childless people are, because children cost lots of taxes, partly because children can’t work. In a fully capitalist society, people would be able to realize how unsustainable it is to procreate.

in a fully capitalist society taxation wouldnt exist, so children would not be a tax burden.

And since taxes wouldn’t exist, it would be harder for people to have children, as the children would not be accommodated by taxes.

children would be accommodated by the parents who take care of them. They will most likely have a least 1 job in the household, and thus would have income to keep things afloat.

But children would not be accommodated by taxes for education. And a lower population after the plague allowed feudalism (medieval communism) to be phased-out in favor of the capitalist renaissance. More children means more people to control.

no government + no state theft + private education = no issue.

Taxes have nothing to do with children. If education is private, that means you can’t have taxes pay for it.

..."And since taxes wouldn’t exist, it would be harder for people to have children, as the children would not be accommodated by taxes." -MarioTheRebel

You literally said taxes have a role in having children right here in this comment. Please revise your argument.

People don’t pay taxes for having children.

Taxes have an indirect impact on child birth rates.

the higher the taxes, the less likely families will produce children due to crippling expenses.

lower or no taxes increase the birth rate due to less burden on the family.

But the taxes are used majorly for helping families.

thats not true.

A majority of tax funds go to government projects and industry.

I as a vegan (I know about the animal ag subsidies), I already know that, but that doesn’t necessarily help single people anymore than it might help families.