Empire Comparison

You know that Spain was literally fascist for almost half a century?

Aye

Actually the idea that Franco was a fascist is debatable. Some historians have said his creed was different enough from Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy that it wasn't fascism. Interestingly, he got support from both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Not to mention that while tyrannical, Franco's actions were limited to Spain, hardly an empire. Even then Franco's death toll while horrible pales in comparison to that of the Armenian genocide.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/44rf86/was_francisco_franco_a_fascist_or_was_his/?utm_source=BD&utm_medium=Search&utm_name=Bing&utm_content=PSR1

http://internationalschoolhistory.net/western_europe/spain/1945-53_was_franco_a_fascist.htm

Check out what Spain was doing to Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, and Guam during the Ottoman Empire's later years.

Was it as bad as the mass executions of the Ottoman Empire like the Armenian genocide?

You're kidding, right?

First stop: what they Christianed "Hispaniola." In a mere 10 years only 10% out of a population of 100,000 Tainos was left. They had to bring in slaves from Africa to make up for the lost labor hands.
Then it was on to the Aztecs, the Incas and the rest of the hemipshere.

There were 145 million people in 1491. The century after Cristobal Colon's arrival in 1492, that number was reduced by 90 - 95%.
Was it as bad as the mass executions of the Ottoman Empire like the Armenian genocide?
Just ask your Native American neighbors.

I never said the Spanish Empire's hands were clean, and I know about the Conquistators. The point of this was the Spanish Empire started cleaning up their act towards the end (even Franco, bad as he was, was limiting his violence to political dissenters) while the Ottoman Empire doubled down.

The 145 million figure is not just Hispainola, that is the theorized death toll of all Native Americans throughout the Colonial Era, mostly from the United States mainland. Not to mention many died due to invasive diseases unintentionally brought along by the Europeans/Conquistators rather than violence on their part, though they did do terrible things to them.

The Armenian Empire is just one example of the atrocities of the Ottoman Empire, look up the formation of the Janissaries (AKA the slave-soldiers) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries bad as they were, at least the Spanish Empire didn't kidnap slave children to fight their wars for them.

Also I don't live in the United States atm.

Fella, fella, no need to repeat what I said yet manage to unintentionally mutilate it at the same time, no less.
What year did the Ottoman Empire die?
What year did Franco die?

145 million, IN HISPANIOLA? Where did you get that dollop of stupidity? There aren't that many people oin the entire Caribbean TODAY.
And no, there weren't that many Native Americans in United Statia either. The AmericaS is the ENTIRE hemisphere, in fact, South America was the original America.

I blurred through the rest, can't be arsed with such nonsense.
Usually I'm the one telling other folks about Armenia, but as part of a larger picture, not a whiny one pretending they were the ONLY victims, just forgotten ones.
Quick, which country around that time suffered not only a larger death toll (to the tune of half the population), but one surpassing that of the Jews AND everyone who died in the Nazi camps in WWII? HINT: It's Armenia's closest ally and trading partner today, in fact, Armenia had even been part of that country in the past and well. They're so close, their old God, Ahura Mazda, lives - alive today - in an hillside in Armenia.

We done?

Interesting opening statement given how many times you've misrepresented my words, quote-mined me and strawmanned me in the past and even now (you have a bad case of psychological projection). My point is about the Spanish Empire and the Ottoman Empire, I only mentioned Franco because you brought him and and he was born within the last few decades of the Spanish Empire - which he outlived, by the way.

I misinterpreted your use of the 145 million based on your poor choice of words; you talked about Hispaniola, then in the next paragraph threw up that number without any context. I did a bit of research and found that number being the estimated death toll of Native Americans. So why did you use the 145 million number in the first place; assuming you're not trolling me now by feigning ignorance, who were you referring to when you said there used to be 145 million of them?

I never said the Armenians were the only victims, or even the only forgotten victims. Whichever country you're talking about doesn't help make your point look credible unless the death toll was inflicted by the Spanish Empire. Also, out of curiosity, are you religious? If so, do you believe in Zoroastrianism?

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You're kidding, right?

First stop: what they Christianed "Hispaniola." In a mere 10 years only 10% out of a population of 100,000 Tainos was left. They had to bring in slaves from Africa to make up for the lost labor hands.
Then it was on to the Aztecs, the Incas and the rest of the hemipshere.

There were 145 million people in 1491. The century after Cristobal Colon's arrival in 1492, that number was reduced by 90 - 95%."

⏩First stop:⏪ what they Christianed ▶"Hispaniola."◀ In a mere 10 years only 10% out of a population of 100,000 Tainos was left. They had to bring in slaves from Africa to make up for the lost labor hands.

⏩Then it was on to⏪ the Aztecs, the Incas and the rest of the ▶hemisphere.◀

There were 145 million people in 1491. The century after Cristobal Colon's arrival in 1492, that number was reduced by 90 - 95%.

100,000 Tainos in Hispaniola is NOT 145,000,000 people in the rest of the hemisphere, you illiterate bellend.

Since you still haven't figured out Armenia's only friend in the world, here's some MORE HINTS:
1. It has the largest Armenian population out of the diaspora since what the monstrous Turks did.
2. It has been enemies with the Turkey since Turks started migrating East through its lands and conquering.
3. Turkey TODAY is STILL oppressing and killing the Kurds, one of its ethnicities.
Only dreams of joining Europe prevent worse atrocities against them.

Translation? Killing bad, no matter who does it nor to whom, mkay?

Congratulations, you are the first Armenian I've ever encountered that can be called an idiot.

NOW we're done.

Goodnight, or rather, morning for you.

You mean the government institution within the Catholic church originating from Spain who were like an internal affairs branch for the church, executed less than 1-in-50 of the people they trialed during their 356 year long jurisdiction, gave fairer trials than secular courts at the time and legally had to give 30 days notice of their arrival?

Actually, I didn't expect them.

It is a funny skit; but how much do you know about the history of the real-life Spanish Inquisition.