The Betrayal of President Trump on the Ides of March

NEVER FORGET THE RINO RATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WALL: Mitt Romney & Mike Lee of UT, Susan Collins of ME, Lisa Murkowski of AK, Rand Paul of KY, Rob Portman of OH, Marco Rubio of FL, Jerry Moran of KS, Roger Wicker of MS, Pat Toomey of RI, Roy Blunt of MO & Lamar Alexander of TN

I kinda understand ROMNEY, a jealous vengeful loser who wasn't man enough to take on OBAMA and SMALL HANDS RUBIO, but the others have shown their hands, they are against the Republic and against the American People.

you need to think this through buddy.

let's say the republicans backed trumps play,by using the executive branches power to declare a "national emergency" in order to shift funds to build the wall.

now many republicans would cheer,applaud and be ever so happy.
yaaaay..we got our wall!
f**k you libs!

and the republicans bathed in the glow of victory.
well,good for you republicans,you got your wall.

*fast forward to 2020.
trump loses the election.
and the NEW president decides to declare a "national emergency" in regards to "medicare4all",due to the opiate epidemic and so many americans dying.

who is going to stop that president?
trump's ill-thought,and short-sighted abuse of constitutional power opened the door for this,and set precedent.

and then the republicans were sad.

so,the republicans who voted against this abuse may have just commited political suicide,but they did uphold the constitution and did their due diligence to keep our countries checks and balances relatively stable.

they did the right thing vance.

To be fair, using a national emergency to redirect funds doesn't seem to be the same to me as using a national emergency to pass the kind of legislation that would be needed for medicare4all. I get that it's constitutionally iffy, but I'm not 100% sure about how alarming budget reallocation really is. Considering the stonewalling on the border issue, I'm currently kind of in support of the national emergency. Even if the border issue wasn't a national emergency(I do think it is), the fact that our congress is completely broken over the partisan divide is CERTAINLY a national emergency. Thoughts? you seem to be one of the few people here who can articulate a reasonable argument, so I'm curious what you think.

it would give the executive branch too much power,and it is already so bloated as to become damn hard to stop.

now,i used medicar4all as an example,and you countered that you didn't "think" that would be considered a national emergency.which kind of plays in to my point.

just because you agree with trump on the border situation being an emergency,does not give the president license to by-pass an entire legislative body in order to execute his wishes.

do you know who DOES do that?
monarches,tyrants,depsots,dictators.

so the point isn't if we agree with trump,or disagree,the point is to respect the legislative process.which is slow,and clunky at times,but the main purpose is to retain the integrity of our republic,and not create a king.

this was a major driving force in the birth of this country.

let me give you an example of how executive branch abuse of powers can affect us all.

the bush administration was heavily populated by neo-conservatives (nothing to do with conservative,and actually came from disgruntled liberals in the 60's).presidents legal counsel addington and yoo made a legal case to expand the executive branches powers,and with a complicit congress in 2003.
we invaded Iraq.

what are the consequences of addington and yoo's executive powers expansion?

fast forward to the Obama administration.
who engaged militarily with 8 sovereign countries.(we still there btw).
how many of those were approved by congress?
0.
because Obama no longer needed congressional approval.
in fact,in 2011 Obama decided to go to congress in regards to Syria,and ask congress to approve military engagement.
congress voted NO.
Obama went in anyways.

so we need to be very careful when granted power and privileges,even if we happen to agree with the position,AT THE TIME.
because once a power is granted,it is:
a.always used.
b.incredibly hard to take away.

that make sense?

My argument wasn't that I don't think medicare4all wouldn't be considered a national emergency, it's that it would require legislation to be passed, while this is simply reallocating money from the military budget.

Would this really be considered precedent when there is no legislation being passed? Considering the military is under direct purview of the President as commander in chief, it makes me wonder if he actually is stepping outside of his constitutional role in doing this.

I generally absolutely agree with limiting the expansion of executive power and preventing the bypass of congress, I'm just not entirely convinced that's what this is.

that's semantics.
medicae4all is just an example.
my main point is abuse of power and by-passing aa legislative body.

THERE REALLY IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY, amigo! Disease, Human Trafficking, Terrorists, Drugs... and worse the enslavement of our economy trying to do the "right" thing by giving illegals unlimited entitlements to a country that is 22 trillion in debt. The Clock is ticking and it isn't about Global Warming. It is about the same thing that was evidenced in a town called Babel many years ago. When there is an overload of diverse people from various cultures and they don't assimilate, we're in some deep shit. Why were those people killed in that Orlando nightclub? The shooter's 7th Century thinking was incompatible with our multifarious progressive culture that accepts homosexuality. Enoch: Beware The Ides of March! THERE REALLY IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY

I was just pointing to the constitutional reasons why.

Actually, Great Watcher, I agree with you. I'm saying this a F—ing Emergency. The President is so embattled. I don't know how Trump does it day-to-day. The Man is one-of-a-kind being of great personal strength... and all for no compensation, but a patriotic love for America.