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Regarding 2nd amendment right to bear arms

The people saying all guns should be banned are not the people who have the power to actually ban them, and that's how it should be. It's super difficult to change the Constitution for a really good reason.

That said, the right to bear arms isn't infringed by there being regulations in place about what kind of guns you can have, what permits are required for them, how accessible they are, and whether you're allowed to have guns at all if you'd be a danger to society with them (talking about past violent crime convictions and mental health issues here, not political affiliation). This is what people mean when they say "common sense gun laws". If you've got a gun that you have been properly trained to use safely, it's legally registered, and you're not a danger to society, you do you. Just lock that shit up tight when you're not using it, and we're cool.

One problem with that, is that criminals don't obey laws

How is that a problem with common sense gun laws?

"Common sense gun laws" are subjective

How about common sense abortion laws

Like the one that mandates that publicly funded medical insurance can't be used for abortions? That one's already on the books, thanks. If what you mean is a law that bans abortion, then you'd have to get a common consensus on that to call it common sense. Good luck with that.

Hahahah yes akeller talking guns now, my favorite subject.

Regulations are by definition infringement. Most gun crimes are with illegally obtained weapons. Gun laws only hurt those who obey the law. Registration is unconstitutional. How I store my weapon in my home is my business. If someone breaks in to your house you don't want that shit locked up. You don't want a gun, you don't have to get one. What else do you have against personal protection?

You are correct

You’re gonna have a nice time being a conservative in Imgflip mate

Um, just wondering who you're talking to friend.
I'm new here and I'm havin a hard time following this thread.

Oh yea I see. I replied to your comment so I’m talking to you. (You can see that because my colored line is further to the right and below yours.) Anyway, the liberal cult will give you loads of crap, just a warning.

Thank you friend
This is a good place to witness the absurd mindset that we're dealing with

Why am I not surprised that guns are your favorite subject?

Regulations don't keep you from getting a gun unless you're a danger to society with one (I hope you'd agree that convicted perpetrators of violent crimes and people with dangerous mental health issues shouldn't be allowed to own guns). It just makes it a bit longer of a process.

How you store your legally obtained firearm is indeed your own business (depending on where you live, maybe not), but if you've got a kid in your house and you don't lock your gun up, you're an idiot who shouldn't have children. Also, if you keep your gun next to your bed and your spouse startles you, you may not be married for much longer, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

There's been a steady decline in accidental gun deaths, and it's been attributed to a mix of gun safety education programs (the best thing about the NRA - the only good thing, IMO, but still a very good thing), state laws regulating gun storage in homes (common sense gun laws!) and a drop in the number of households that have guns. While the improvement has occurred in every state, those with the most guns and the fewest laws continue to have the most accidental shooting deaths. (most of this paragraph was lifted from https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html)

Bottom line: I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE 2ND AMENDMENT, and neither are people who want common sense gun laws. You do you, if what you're doing isn't dangerous to the innocent people around you. I personally prefer baseball bats to guns for personal protection - they're better in close combat (I dunno about you, but I don't have any wide open space in my house), cause less accidental damage, and have a use outside of killing people. But that's me.

Good for you. You seem like you have a pretty libertarian attitude about it. Lots of dems (such as yourself I'm assuming) want MORE regulations. They want psych evals and registration and they want to ban scary things like "assault rifles" and silencers and "high capacity mags". They want to limit how much ammo you can own. If I want to travel through a liberal state I have to worry about whether or not my concealed carry is going to be valid. I don't like my freedom being infringed. I don't like giving more power to the government.

Accidental gun deaths are no excuse to strip away freedom. The government is there to protect you from others, not protect you from yourself. That was the philosophy behind prohibition and look how well that worked.

Ben Franklin says it best: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Oh to be sure, I *want* all sorts of new regulations, and absolutely wouldn't be opposed to a large-scale ban of most guns.

What I want and what the Constitution (as it's been historically interpreted by the Supreme Court) allows don't match up in this case, and really never will. So I'll settle for common sense gun laws.

And seriously, at least in my home, I'll take a bat over a gun any day.

"Oh to be sure. I want all sorts of new regulations, and absolutely wouldn't be opposed to a large scale ban of most" bats!
Bats are dangerous and can be lethal. They should be regulated and banned. People with mental illnesses should never be allowed to own a bat. If you are a licensed bat owner, you should have to keep it locked up. And you can never use a bat in self defense unless you try to retreat first.

You're embarrassing yourself.

So you don't think that bat ownership should be regulated?

Still saying "common sense gun laws" as if everyone knows what you mean hahaha

And seriously, I don't care about you or your home, but good luck taking down a gun with a bat.

Bat vs gun. Bat loses.

Take the mote from your own eye
Before you worry about the speck in someone else's.

Well you would need 3/4 of the voting population and the Senate to end the 2nd Amendment, but many cities with gun laws have stupid ones. Like in NYC you need to know about other weapons to own a gun, need to fill out loads of paperwork, etc. Also NYC gun laws aren't being affected by these things because the violent crime in NYC was falling since the 90s, so the 2014 SAFE act didn't make a difference.

No one of any consequence is calling for repealing the 2nd Amendment.

I mean I understand what you mean so whatever, but I can't help but point out that that's a picture of a whole bunch of Republicans :)

Exactly, so let women have abortions, let trans people pee, and hold police officers accountable for murdering people in cold blood.

Not sure what you're getting at
When you call 911, who you thinks gonna show up?
Ghostbusters?

"Hold police accountable for their actions" and "we shouldn't have police" are two wildly different views. The first is held by people who want the general public to feel safe around law enforcement. The second is held by anarchists.

There ya go with your " feelings", and your "safe space"
And who said we shouldn't have police?
You are outing yourself as a brainwashed snowflake
Stop watching CNN

I guess I wasn't sure what you were getting at with your Ghostbusters comment.

Where I grew up, people would hurriedly gather their kids to come inside when the police drove by. They'd done nothing wrong, and the police were just patrolling, but the fear was immediately there anyway.

This is why police should be held accountable for their actions.

You immediately leaping to calling me a brainwashed snowflake who watches CNN because I calmly disagreed with you doesn't look good on you.

I'm glad you don't watch CNN. They are truth manipulators. They have an agenda, and it's not one that benefits us. I believe everybody is accountable for their actions.

I assume you mean everybody *should be held* accountable for their actions. A police officer who draws a weapon on a non-threatening person should have consequences for that action. If they actually fire that weapon and hurt or kill an innocent person, they should experience serious consequences for that action. This has not always been the way things go down, especially in reference to persons of color. I would hope that you would encourage law enforcement to remedy problems like this swiftly and justly to maintain the integrity of the force and promote trust in the community.

We can certainly disagree about what the words "consequences" and "swiftly and justly" mean, but I hope we agree that these situations should never happen in the first place, and when they do they should be dealt with.

I don't watch CNN because it's monotonous, ratings-based, and boring. Same reason I don't watch MSNBC, Fox, or really any 24hr "news" channel. I prefer print media.

I live on the south side of Chicago
I have a concealed carry license
I carry a gun
People like you make things worse for people like me

How is this comment relevant to a discussion of keeping police accountable? And unless you're black and I'm white, your meme makes no sense in context.

You are the one who brought up "persons of color"

No one said color doesn't matter. When you're talking about holding police accountable (and that's where this whole thread started), it matters.

No one is discussing keeping police accountable with you. That's just you flapping your lips. The discussion was about 2nd amendment right to bear arms

Literally everything under Mx's comment has been about holding police accountable. Get your threads straight.

Cops are not legally required to protect you, but in this country you have the freedom to protect yourself. America's awesome like that. Personal responsibility over helplessness.

That's right. We can't all afford personal armed body guards and high tech security systems. A cop shows up after the fact and fills out paper work. It is the responsibility of each citizen to protect themselves and their families as best as they can