Change My Mind

The fact that it's fake news makes it fake news, not just simply the fact that one doesn't agree with the fake news that is fake news.. There. I changed your mind.

No. It implies a bias, not a fact. The fact is that the fake news is fake. :) :D

The meme states is just because you don't agree with it does't make it fake news, and is a true fact, period, that you fail to recognize that means you need to follow some more English classes I'm afraid.
Fake News only becomes Fake News when the stories stated in the news are proven to be a lie. "Trump being suspected of electoral fraud with help of the Russians" is not fake news, as he is being suspected and the investigation still runs. It would be fake news if the news stated he was guilty when all evidence proves him to be innocent, but nobody made such statements as a news fact yet. If the news says that Mueller has made progress in the investigation, then you may not like it, but if Mueller did indeed make progress, it's not fake.

There are tons of things I hear in the news I don't agree with (political opinions, then as you can't agree/disagree with facts) but if politicians take in that position, I must be told and then it's real news. Facts I don't like can still be true. Only in an Utopia the news only tells you what you want to hear, but since Utopias cannot exist, we'll have to accept that the news tells us things we don't like. The only thing bias is your "fact". The meme is correct, and I already found out that TimidDeer is smarter than to be swayed by people who state opinions and lies as if they were facts.

This is moronic. So by your account, I can say JeronBroks is a child buggerer if even 1 other poster says that? It's fake news if there is no established proof to support the assertion.So Saying Trump is being investigated for election fraud is not fake news, implying guilt with bias of "Trump being suspected of electoral fraud with help of the Russians" is because there is no proof of that.

You really ARE stupid aren't you. It is a cold hard fact an investigation against Trump is running by now, you know that as well as I do. An investigation does not mean he's guilty. If the news would say he's guilty before the case reached the judge THEN it would be fake news, but that hasn't happened, the investigation *is* running, so that is not fake news... And if he wasn't suspected of anything there would be no investigation running now, would there? Also saying he's innocent before the investigation is over would also be fake-news unless you can make it clear he's deemed innocent under the "innocent-till-proven-guilty" principal.

And no you cannot say I'm a child buggerer because 1 person says it. You can then only say that I'm accused of being one, and once an investigation runs I can be seen as a suspect, and that is what is happening around Trump now. Journalists are pretty careful about what they write, and how they bring the news, as when they bring nothing but solid lies, they are also committing a criminal offense.

Then again, I've seen a Dutch paper being accused of fake news because they quoted somebody who lied in Russia's benefit, but as the paper has been pretty clear about this being a quote (and not their own point of view) and also about who the speaker was and what his relation with Russia was, we cannot say this is fake news, since that person DID really say all that stuff.

Was it fake news when the news said "Michael Jackson is accused and suspect in a child abuse case". No... Although I do not believe he did it, but that was also not what the news stated, as guilty or innocent he WAS being accused and suspect. Trump is very much in the same league when we can say that he is being accused.

News organizations can of course try to bring out the facts that may either benefit or discredit Trump, as they see fit (although papers should be objective) but that is not fake-news. It can be see as one-track-minded, but unfortunately that is not a downright lie which "fake news" basically is.

The news is not about agree or disagree. You cannot (dis)agree with facts. They are the way they are, and when they are told it's not fake news. Opinions can neither be true or a lie as they are personal feelings on the matter, and not liking facts doesn't make fake news and disagreeing with opinions even less.

Complex, isn't it. But I guess this is all high level world viewing for you to understand. :P

" And if he wasn't suspected of anything there would be no investigation running now, would there?"
That may be the most ignorant thing you've said yet. Of course he could be investigated without being suspected of anything. That's exactly what is going on. A political smear job witch hunt.

Yeah, a witch hunt... Even it was a witch hunt... A suspicion based on bullcrap and lies and other nonsensical things is still a suspicion. And you're statement clearly proves you don't know what "suspicion" actually is... What was that about ignorance?

God you are dumb. A "suspicion" that isn't real, isn't a suspicion. The whole fabric of the suspection is a farce. Hint for you: things that aren't real, aren't real.

I do know what's real, but you keep missing the point!
And that is not my problem, but yours. I've explained that this has nothing to do with what is real and what is not real. A suspicion is always an uncertainty, nothing real or unreal about it. Once a suspicion leads to a verdict it becomes either real or unreal. As long as you do not understand that simple fact, you are in no position to deem news real or fake, as that you are clearly unable to judge things properly.

And even after a verdict journalist often choose their words carefully. Take the Dutch case of Lucia de Berk. She was condemned to a life-long sentence because she was accused of having murdered multiple patience in her work as nurse. And is a true fact, she was condemned and even served time in prison, even though new evidence later showed she never murdered anyone, as a matter of fact, the murders in question were never committed at all, since all those deaths were later proven to be natural, so she was released from jail and compensated. Was the news about her case fake? No the case did take place. That justice failed an condemned somebody based on things that did not turn out to be true, is a different matter, but that does not make the news about her case fake-news.

And that is what I've been trying to tell you about Trump. Even if he turns out to be innocent it's not fake news that there's an investigation running after him. When the press declares him guilty on their own accord then it COULD be fake news, but even the most passionate opposing journalists are more careful than that.

Fake news would mean that there's no investigation running, at all. Farce or not, that investigation *is* running and you try to deny that. So who is unable to tell what is real? Right!

No, You just aren't getting it. THERE IS NO SUSPICION. It is a political witch hunt entirely. The excuse of a suspicion isn't real therefore there really is no suspicion,

Insane? Don't use words you don't understand. I've met people who were really insane, and really, you can't imagine them. It was a quite frightening experience, I tell ya.

It's true I don't support Trump's politics, or at least not in full as there are points in his agenda I agree with.
Once of my favorite former presidents happens to be Bill Clinton and am I shouting that the Lewinsky case was not real? Even though it was a complete joke from the start, he was "guilty", as he did have sex with her and lied about it.

Heck I also accepted the guilt of Bill Cosby even though it broke my heart to find out that one of the comedians I laughed a lot about as a kid had done such horrible things.

It's not insanity to accept reality. You brand me "insane" (without knowing what it really is), because your "hero" is in legal trouble. You know it, but you don't accept it. And even if the case is a joke, it's still a case. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant, I'm afraid.

When somebody like you calls me "dumb" I take it as a compliment, thank you. And what does "real" mean? You are desperately trying to look away from everything that's happening. Like it or not Trump is suspect, period! The entire definition of suspicion is that people THINK they might be guilty of a crime, and people think Trump did so and thus Mueller is investigating the matter, period. That is reality. That you don't want to face it and try to make your own fabrications of the news the way it is brought, don't lay you own problems on me. Accepting reality us a difficult thing to do, I know... It took me several years, but then, I was young and discovering that reality is not what you want it to be is hard. Not that I did learn to accept it... Things got easier on me.

You are confusing the word "suspect" with "guilty", and nobody said he was. Neither was is fake news when the news revealed Hillary Clinton was suspect of not taking enough care with her e-mails, because, she was. And the same story applied for her, and investigation was running, and I hope you realize that I would have voted for her in the elections if I could.

And playing a devil's advocate, I'll be the first to keep to possibility in mind Trump is innocent, although I deem it unlikely, but that "unlikely" is my own opinion, not that of the news.

And when it comes to the investigation itself. Who are you to actually deem it "not real"? Did you read the files? Did you see the evidence? Are you in any way involved in the entire investigation? You can't make such statements unless the answer to any of those questions is "yes", and I know you haven't, as I would be worried about secrecy if you did. You can only deem it unlikely he's guilty or say you don't believe it. You have that right. But the truth is Trump is being suspected, regardless if the suspicions are based on fact or fiction, and it's up to Mueller and eventually the judge to decide if the basis for these suspicions are fake or real. But that doesn't change the fact he's been suspect and thus NO FAKE NEWS.

Of course you'll deem me an idiot for saying this, but like I said, when somebody like you says that I only feel flattered. Shouting it easy. Thinking is harder, and I love to think.

If you don't know what is real, there is no point in anyone but a psych professional even talking to you.

I don't think I've ever seen TDS so bad before.

The suspicion *is* real, only you refuse to accept it! But that is an other fact and you only hurt yourself in the process by refusing to accept it. And a set up game by the Democrats or not, there is a legal investigation running, period.

It's not that I don't get it. It's that you don't accept it. Which makes me worried, as when you keep refusing reality you may soon need an urgent need for a ride to the hospital. Did Trump manage to get rid of Obama-care? If so, you can better accept reality before your heart gives in.

The timing against Hillary Clinton about the e-mail scandal was also just before the elections a bit coincidental (as the scandal was know for years before she even announced running for president), and although the case was made bigger than it actually was for political gain, that didn't take the fact away either she was a suspect.

Now Trump is accused of much bigger things than Clinton, but still these accusations, and investigations are real, based on bullcrap or not. Accept it! Accept that Trump is not a saint and that, no matter how much you like his political agenda, that he too can make mistakes and even (either intentionally or not intentionally) step over the boundaries of the law, and that when accusations or suspicions arise that he's technically suspect until the truth is revealed. And even if it was a miscarriage of justice from the start (technically impossible as long as there ain't a verdict) than still it isn't fake-new, but just a general legal mistake.

Just quit stressing! Grow up!

You are insane and obviously completely delusional with Trump Derangement Syndrome. Talking to you is like trying to engage a rock in debate. Only the rock isn't as stupid.

Fake until proven fact... :)

It was proven from the start, but you like to turn facts into opinions and lies so you don't have the face the truth. And that is not fake, but proven fact by every post you posted so far, and not only you.

But you proved to be the type of person who'd believe it a circle had angles if Trump says it has, so I guess proving stuff to you is next to impossible.

It's so funny how you get riled up about someone making an objection to a meme. I really think you lack a brain stem.

Riled up?
I just have fun exposing people who THINK they have a valid opinion but fail to see what the actual point was... XD

There is no such thing as an invalid opinion lol

There is... When it's based on lack of knowledge or misinformation.

o·pin·ion
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noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance"
synonyms: belief, judgment, thought(s), (way of) thinking, mind, (point of) view, viewpoint, outlook, attitude, stance, position, perspective, persuasion, standpoint; More
the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.
"the changing climate of opinion"
an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.
"I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"

Hahaha.... If you actually understood the context of very word of what you just quoted I'd be impressed... The fact or knowledge only counts for the wordingof the opinion itself. Can you have an opinion about the likeliness the sun will explode in a thousand years when you don't even know the factors that could be play a crucial role. Of course not. Politics are in the same league. Context if descriptions and definitions. Definitions are useless as long as no proper understanding of them is given.

Makes note to self: "Next crap out of Pelosi's mouth will be to declare that circles have angels.." The agenda has been leaked right here on ImgFlip! If it's absurd, the liberals will suggest it..

Yeah, speaking of liberals... I wonder if you have any idea what liberals are and what they stand for.

What LIBERALS "stand for"? What? Really? Seriously? Are you kidding me? Always wanted to trigger a donkey-hole with those questions.. Liberals stand for nothing other than HATE. Pure hate. Like you, I think.. You hate. You are HATE. Hate me.. go ahead.. :) Hate me like you do our President, and promote your hate instead of the UNITY your party allegedly stood for before the election. Sending you sweet rainbow kisses and hugs and unicorns for your ~love~ Plus.. a huge tax burden when the next 15,000 illegals arrive at the border (with no wall) in a few months.. I'm pleased to know you will be feeding and clothing them, and providing shelter and health care for them out of your personal finances, and not out of the American citizens tax paying wallet..

Wait.. oh CRAP! it just occurred to me! YOU are perhaps an illegal immigrant!

The great United States is INFECTED. ImgFlip is infected..

Applaud? You think in absolutes, and that is not how the world works.
Those migrants do not go to the U.S.A. (they already ARE in America by being in Mexico, as America is the name of the continent, not the country), because they love to go there. Those people are desperate as their situation is in a way you can't imagine. And they are only parasites because that is what you make them into. Finding out once they pass the border they have the authorities to fear to be send back, makes it hard to do things the legal way, and then only the criminal ways remain.

And true criminals do indeed mix in those who want the best, but since since you do not solve the problem by its roots the criminals can easily abuse that problem.

This is just easy to figure out by using common sense, but I remember by former boss telling me that common sense ain't so common. Well, I see how right he is.

Also when I take into account how much the wall costs to build and to maintain I also wonder if the cure ain't worse than the disease, even if those migrants were only scum. A fence around my house (which I don't have, btw) does not even cost half the money a thousands mile long wall which needs permanent guarding.

Migration is rarely a problem on its own but mostly the result of a problem. Solve that problem and migration should decrease. When migrants are on your border it's already too late. You'll have to solve the problem before they even think about leaving their homelands. Those people are risking their very lives to get into the U.S.A. And in the E.U. where the Mediterranean Sea forms a natural barrier the risks are even higher than a wall could possible give and see how many migrants still try to make into the E.U. and see how many even succeed and how many literally die trying, but did that stop anybody? No! That wall won't solve the problem. These people have a reason to move to the U.S.A. and it's not because it's such a wonderful country. It's because their homelands are by far more terrible than you can imagine. Make sure their situation is no longer terrible and they won't be so desperate to risk their lives on a ridiculous journey were only a few are successful.

I was born in raised in the time of the iron curtain and stories about people trying to pass that (loads of time even with success) are also legio.
Try to imagine the minds of migrants and most of all before they even think about leaving to the U.S or the E.U, or anywhere. That is the true challenge!

Proven, you don't know what liberals are. The only thing I hate is hate for the sake of hate itself, and although I rarely agree with liberals (unlike you I know what they are) I cannot accuse them of that one. And when it comes to health care by the state... That is not something the liberals aim for, but rather the socialists.. The TRUE socialists that is, not the oppressors you likely take them for.

Irony has it that you accuse me of hate, while I see nothing but hate in your post. Hate towards me for starters, hate towards anyone who disagrees with Trump (I don't "hate" him... I simply oppose his foolish ideas), hate towards the desperate migrants at your border. You speak of them like they are a virus or bacteria, now that is hate speech in its purest form. Perhaps you need to seek professional help with that xenophobia of yours.

At least you have confirmed that you know nothing at all about politics, which I already suspected. And then I don't just mean U.S. politics, but politics in general regardless of country.

Oh yeah, when it comes to feeding them and giving them health care. Perhaps if you were generous enough to give that to them BEFORE they began their journey, maybe they'd never have departed. Did that though ever occur to you?

Did it occur to you that if someone loved AMERICA enough to want to live here, they would file for citizenship? You applaud parasites and law breakers. Why don't you put a sign out in your yard that says "FREE! Take everything I have" and then unlock your door and leave it standing open for a week?

True. Being Fake News makes it Fake News.