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Intellectuals and illiterates are the same | I TAKE PICTURES OF MY FOOD FROM TIME TO TIME. JUST IN CASE SOCIALISM SHOULD PREVAIL, I CAN REMEMBER HOW WELL I WAS DOING UNDER CAPITALISM | image tagged in socialism,capitalism | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Roll Safe Think About It Meme | NOW I WONDER IF YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SOCIALISM", AND "TOTAL OPRESSION SOCIETY WHERE ALL POWER (AND MONEY) BELONGS TO THE STATE", | image tagged in memes,roll safe think about it | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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You'd be incorrect. In Venezuela not all land and money belongs to the state, but they've f**ked themselves so hard that their inflation rate is now more than 20,000%(not an exaggeration)money is worth less than the paper it is printed on, and there are no price tags in stores for christmas shoppers because the prices change so rapidly that you must ask a clerk. Millions are fleeing the country, people are starving, and the government hires gangs to enforce "laws" that the police would not legally be allowed to.

They aren't communists. They aren't capitalists. They are socialists. Self-described and in deed as well as name. If that isn't enough, consider that virtually every nation in south america except Columbia has elected a socialist government at some point in recent history, and they ALL lag behind most of the rest of the world in wealth, stability, and freedom.

Denmark has explicity explained to the world that they(and Sweden and Norway with them) are free-market capitalist nations, not socialist. So if you're going to point to them, you may as well stop right now. Where, then, is your example of a "good" socialist nation?
1 up, 5y,
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The problem is that Venezula may have had the intention to be socialistic, but ended up not to be, but they still believe they are, making you as misguided as they are. And the nations you call capitalist or not... at least not in full... They found the way to mix capitalism with socialism and to make that work. The nations you named are the countries with the BEST SOCIAL SYSTEMS in the world and it took a socialist insight to come to that point, however if Denmark says otherwise, they are as misguided about their own system as Venezuela is about their own. However as the word "socialist" is in 99.9% of the cases used with the wrong meaning Denmark is lying about their own good side to prevent loss of votes.

Venezula is not socialist. North-Korea is not communist. And Denmark is more socialist then they want to admit. It's because the term has been abused by people who turned their country to ruins with a rule that is against everything socialism stands for that people see it as something bad or evil. It's not the best system in the world. I believe in neither socialism or capitalism. I believe in the middle ground. And that is what DK, S and N all are, and if they start denying it out of fear for electoral damage, I really wonder how stupid humans have become.
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So.. loads of denial but no examples whatsoever to show that Denmark lied or that Venezuela is NOT socialist. Two paragraphs and not a SINGLE example to back up what you're saying.
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In order to back that up I'll have to explain what socialism means, and the character limit of these textboxes won't allow that. The core of socialism is though that everybody gets a fair share of whatever is available. Denmark and the other countries have special systems that make sure that people who can't work or who are between jobs will get compensated so that they can still eat a good meal when they are out of their luck. Not that this system is perfect, but it's completely in line with the socialist philosophy.
In Venezuela everything socialism stands for is being violated. People are starving not due to lack of available food, but due to all money going to the leader (which is completely against the socialist philosophy) and the president has tasted power, and lusts for more (forgetting the socialist ideals he may once have believed in himself). Everything for himself and not caring for those who didn't do so well (basically one of the core elements of capitalism, but taken beyond the extreme). Why do you think this is called SOCIAL-ism and not ANTI-SOCIAL-ism?

I live in a country myself that is very much in the same league as Denmark, Sweden en Norway, although the systems in the countries I just mentioned are better than in mine. Sweden is also said to be the country with the highest taxes in the world, which may be a pain to rich people, but in the same time Sweden can therefore give all citizens a fair share (or at least, that's the idea).

Don't think that socialism can ban out all poverty, as there are factors no system can fully influence. Still socialism was invented to prevent exactly that what is happening in countries claiming to be socialist (like Venezuela) and I can imagine that Denmark does not want to be compared with them and uses denial to prevent it.

So the bottom line is... If socialism is fully executed the way it was originally intended then nobody should be worried about having to miss a good meal. That is the core essence of it.

Its achillesheel is however that it requires a leader who can uphold that system, and who can deal with power responsibly and that is where it went wrong and when power corrupts, even socialists can forget the ideals they stand for. But capitalist or communist. People with power use that power, and quite often not for the better.
So it's not socialism that's the problem. It's the fact that power corrupts and that some countries just have a pretty weak political system. No system survives that
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And there you go wrong on the very first sentence, and that too is what socialism is not supposed to be. And I didn't deny either that Scandinavia had capitalism. I said they COMBINED capitalism and socialism in a proper way (multiple times actually). Are you unable or unwilling to read properly?

The achillesheel in capitalism which Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels rightly found is that big companies get too big and rich they get more powerful. Powerful enough to overpower governments, place themselves above the law and can take all perspective and motivation away from workers. And the evidence for that can be found in the U.S.A. where there are people who do more work on one day than some company owners did over their entire life and can hardly make a living on that and for whom any future perspective for promotion, is non-existent.

Karl Marx wanted when he wrote "Das Kapital" to think out for a system that is more fair, and hence his teachings about Communism got to life. Nothing work with the system itself.

The problem with people is that they always tend to misunderstand things. Philosophies and teachings are always taken out of their context, just as you are doing right now at this very moment (that or you are just unable or unwilling to listen to reason). This is also the reason why loads of religions preaching peace and harmony, have a history soaked with blood. Were those prophets wrong? I'm not so sure!

Marxism was of course "tried" for the first time when Vladimir Lenin lead the Russian revolution. When Lenin was succeeded by Joseph Stalin he came up with his own version of "socialism" which is actually a violation of EVERYTHING socialism stands for. The Soviet Union claimed to be socialistic (Hench the official name: Union of Socialistic Soviet Republics), but they were not. But then again names say little. The Deutsche Demokratische Republik (DDR. In English known as the German Democratic Republic) was also NEVER democratic, despite their name.

And so Venezuela has the same problem. I do not know if the current president once had socialistic views, but the way he leads the country now is also a violation of the socialistic views.

Capitalism doesn't work and neither does socialism. You must have the middle ground, and THAT is what Denmark, Sweden and Norway have. And the same goes for my own country (which happens to be the Netherlands).

Socialism was invented to PROTECT the common people. Not to take everything away from them!
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