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B)

Don’t take care of the foreign social issues and there won’t be an economy to worry about anyway. Smh

Remember the civil war?

A war which was fought over the issue of slavery splitting the United States in two.

Sounds like a social issue

So a good economic system fixed the problem.

The lack of economic responsibility triggered it in the first place

Social responsibility***

A lack of morals were the cause of slavery.

Sure, but it could’ve been fixed if there had been social precautions in place

And the people being the state is why we shouldn't have the government getting involved social issues.

???????

And the government doesn't have the right to dictate morality because the idea that heads of state decide what is right and wrong is the first step of tyranny

Read the Delcaration of Independence and the constitution and maybe you’ll learn a couple things about government

"Read the Delcaration of Independence and the constitution and maybe you’ll learn a couple things about government"

You don’t understand how we live in a republic where the people form the state

That still doesn’t mean the people aren’t the state

"???????" I was stating how the state shouldn't get involved in social issues.

Mmmk

Without the social component the economic ones are worthless. It's like having a roided up military armed to the teeth but a $hit infrastructure, education, and environment, etc, to live in. What is it we're being protecting it from? Sadly our greatest enemy is ourselves.

The economy only works when it's stable. Education, the environment, etc, those can't be fixed if all the money is not going into paying off our debts.

The economy is not a mystery. If the government hasn't been hijacked by large powerful interests and isn't practicing crony capitalism, etc, and using the government as their own personal piggy bank, then reasonable polices can be put into place the the economy will be fine. In addition if we don't fix things like environmental degradation then eventually they'll be a collapse and the the country along with the economy will tank no matter what.

And do you believe that the government is ran by large organizations? Because if so you wouldn't see any change in terms of the lower or middle class, no spending would be put into the environment , etc. Big money does often effect politics, but to say it runs the country isn't true.

*BUT,

Actually I do believe it to be true, and parabolically so since citizens united, and magnified even more under the Trump administration.

So how about all the reasons that I in my last comment?

Plus those wars are easy to win

1: Depends on the war. 2: This has nothing to do with Trump.

What economic issues are you talking about? What social issues are you talking about?

Every single one.

Ok. Every single economic issue and every single social issue and it has nothing to do with political leaders?
Yeah. Good luck with that. LOL SMH

So your point is?

My point being you aren't being clear on what economic issue should take place over what social issue.
Plus they are so intertwined they can't be easily separated.
Plus both issues are dealt with politically and can't be separated.
IOW you have said a bunch of nothing. LOL

"My point being you aren't being clear on what economic issue should take place over what social issue" Any issue that involves the economy. That is the definition of economical.

Plainly state the economic issue/s that should take place over the social issue/s.
If you can't do that there is no reason to continue. No reason at all. I will let you have the last word if you can't explicitly state this very basic request.

"Every expert has another expert claiming the exact opposite. That's a fact." Well then please explain why so many people agree that we need to use alternate energy sources? "You know who is really sucking of the state? Billionaires and corporations.
Let's give them a giant tax cut, yeah yeah that will get the economy roaring.
You always ALWAYS start at your biggest expense when looking where to cut. If you are sane that is." Lets take the fact that Trump made it so people who buys a jet doesn't get taxed as much for it. Now this is because if the rich guy can't buy a jet the guy who made the get doesn't get paid, the people who made parts don't get paid, etc. So it isn't a big deal in the long run."Many jobs will be lost no matter where you cut and the military needs to be cut before anything else since it is the biggest" Many jobs would be lost and the country wouldn't be as safe. "Billionaires and corportations are already very wealthy and don't need anymore assistance." This is a free market economy so, it's going to be every man for himself. "You have no real solutions other than to pull the proverbial rug out from others you deem unworthy of help.:" My solution is cleary stated in the meme.

Clearly in your mind.
If you were truly a free market person then the billionaires wouldn't need government assistance at all. They simply do not create enough jobs to offset their "assistance".
Experts are just like normal people, they will espouse whatever benefits them the most. Just like the billionaires presidents that hasn't paid taxes in 2 decades. I would personally be a lot better off if I didn't have a tax bill for 2 decades too.
You sound like a typical rich conservative who thinks they did it all by themselves and want to punish or withhold help to those beneath you.
If the government didn't help Elon Musk with tax giveaways do you think he would be a billionaire? Tesla has yet to turn a profit even with the massive government help

"Clearly in your mind.
If you were truly a free market person then the billionaires wouldn't need government assistance at all. They simply do not create enough jobs to offset their "assistance"" By your own logic the government should not provide any type of services regarding economics. "Experts are just like normal people, they will espouse whatever benefits them the most." So why do you trust the expert who told you that then? "Just like the billionaires presidents that hasn't paid taxes in 2 decades. I would personally be a lot better off if I didn't have a tax bill for 2 decades too." And now you use Trump to represent all rich people. "You sound like a typical rich conservative who thinks they did it all by themselves and want to punish or withhold help to those beneath you.
If the government didn't help Elon Musk with tax giveaways do you think he would be a billionaire? Tesla has yet to turn a profit even with the massive government help" And I'm not.

You were the one proclaiming economics and politics can be separated. LOL SMH

"You were the one proclaiming economics and politics can be separated. LOL SMH" It depends on what sector of politics or economics you bring up. I would love for you to show me where I said that the two can always be separated.

Ok. This thread has ran it's course.
You can claim victory if you so desire.

"What do you want to do with it?" I think we should make scientific data more accessible to the general public. "Do you believe in global warming?." Yes. You are ignoring the difference between state and government rights and that's why it's not as simple as social issues everywhere. I would with heavily regulating welfare

Welfare includes SS, Medicare, Medicaid.
Defense is the largest expense so naturally you start at the top. IMO
Scientific data to the general public won't do shit. On the whole we are illiterate in science and finance.
I assume by "welfare" you are just concerned with somebody getting something for nothing. It includes a whole lot more than that.

There are many scientific misunderstandings about the environment and most people who protest it don't know anything about it so, clearing it up would help. Welfare is easily exploited and is responsible for the most the problems in the black community.

The scientists themselves can't agree. Clearing things up just wont happen.
So I was correct in your definition of "welfare".
Conservative are so worried about someone living the good life while on welfare.
If it is so good go live it yourself. It's a tiny amount in the whole scheme anyway so that is why a sane person starts at the top. What is the governments greatest expense? Military, that should be the first and easiest to cut to fund "other" things. However I would cut military and apply that towards the national debt before spending it on anything else.

The things like the environment, crime, public works, healthcare, military, etc, we need a usage of money so, it would be useless to rack up debt with things that can be fixed a stable economy. Now I named several of the key issues because I'm not going to write all several hundred issues involving the economy.

Ok let's just take the first thing on your list
Environment. What do you want to do with it? Do you believe in global warming? I could go on and on but it will all eventually lead back to social and political issues.
Can't be separated really so state your desires and what you plan to cut on the spending side to offset the increased spending on these economic issues you want dealt with before anything else.
Remember you are concerned about the debt so everything you propose must be at the very least revenue neutral.
I will start. Cut the ridiculous military budget

"The scientists themselves can't agree." Except for the decades of research and technological advancements that are put into it. "Conservative are so worried about someone living the good life while on welfare." People aren't meant to suck off the state. "governments greatest expense? Military, that should be the first and easiest to cut to fund "other" things. However I would cut military and apply that towards the national debt before spending it on anything else." Because drastically cutting military spending would result in many jobs being lost.

Every expert has another expert claiming the exact opposite. That's a fact.
You know who is really sucking of the state? Billionaires and corporations.
Let's give them a giant tax cut, yeah yeah that will get the economy roaring.
You always ALWAYS start at your biggest expense when looking where to cut. If you are sane that is.
Many jobs will be lost no matter where you cut and the military needs to be cut before anything else since it is the biggest, you are the one who threw in that "drastic" term...not me...never said "drastic"
You are probably someone who's job will be cut so naturally....not in my back yard.
You have no real solutions other than to pull the proverbial rug out from others you deem unworthy of help.
Billionaires and corportations are already very wealthy and don't need anymore assistance.