Maybe it's time they stopped being so damn sensitive.

Am i missing something?

conservatives want to make people bake cakes when they don't wanna? that image would only work if the middle text was "Democrats"

this meme doesn't make any sense!

Better?

Now...about these LGBTQ people being beaten to death for being LGBTQ...where is this happening? outside of Islamic countrys, i mean

"In the United States, out of the almost 6,000 hate crimes committed in 2013, 20 percent (approximately 1,200) were based on victims’ sexual orientation, according to the FBI. Comparing 2017 and 2016, the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs reported an increase of 86 percent in the hate-based murders of LGBTQ people, even excluding the 49 murders in the Pulse nightclub shooting of June 2016. The majority of victims were people of color.
In 2016, 27 trans and gender-nonconforming people were reportedly killed in the United States. That made it the deadliest year on record for trans victims in the U.S., but the next year’s toll of 28 set a new record and 2018 might do the same. As of September 2018, there had been 21 trans murders."

https://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

Wikipedia not only lists stats; they also list some specific cases, 74 incidents (many with multiple victims) from 2009 to present.

since you're on a roll with the research, would you mind checking out how many african americans were murdered in "black-on-black" violence during the same timespan you used above? and send me a link or two to the Dem's outrage over that, thanks

Now, about those LGBTQ figures...how do they compare against the same numbers for Islamic countries? same timespan would be great if you can be bothered :)

"Black on black" crime is not generally a hate crime. It's just crime. Generally speaking, Democrats proactively seek fixes to the social, cultural, and economic causes of violence, while Republicans reactively seek punishment for the violence done. Only the former actually prevents violence in the first place.

Violence against the LGBTQ community in other countries is still violence against the LGBTQ community and way more worth being upset about than baking a cake. Do explain why you brought it up.

Seeing your arguments have convinced me on a number of issues. I am sure we will end up arguing sometime but I have to say you seem informed and smart.

Thanks! I welcome a healthy, informed debate. We don't have to agree to respect and understand each other's perspectives :)

You wont like the stats that tell what group is primarily responsible for hate crimes against gays.

"It's just crime" yeah, just a crime...against a minority group whose vote the left have already secured.

but those LGBTQIAPK+ votes gotta go somewhere so may as well make these people feel important too.

I presume you mean, why did i bring up black-on black crime? partly for the reasons above, like your attitude implies.... it's "just" crime...crime that BLM conveniently ignores.

basically what i'm saying is, leftists don't care about crimes committed against anybody or any group, it's just another tool to use as a means of putting people in boxes to make them feel special and supported...new victims to champion...and more importantly, new votes to harvest.

from what i see on my youtube feed, african americans are waking up to the way they've been used by the Dems, and they are leaving in droves, but that's not particularly important to the Dems now because...illegal immigrants could have voting rights too, right?!

I meant why did you bring up Islamic countries. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Your take on why Democrats fight for the causes they do is incredibly cynical, and not at all in line with my experience. And as an actual Democrat with friends in politics, I think my personal experience carries a little more weight than yours.

Illegal immigrants do not have voting rights.

why bring up islamic countries? i didn't...it was already brought up in the first reply to your meme on this thread

"...illegal immigrants could have voting rights " notice the word "could" in there! you know it's only a matter of time before they start pushing for it ;)

Also..."as an actual Democrat with friends in politics" wut?? get a grip of yourself, how old are you? 4? "my daddy's bigger than your daddy..meh" LOLz

If "they" start pushing for it, I'll oppose it. Open borders is not an even remotely popular idea among most of us.

As an actual Democrat with friends in politics, I have a more complete view of the motivations of Democrats than you do.

That is an appeal to authority, and as someone who has spent time on the hill, You arent paying attentionif you think that is a cynicl view. Case in point. Obamas stance on marriage until it became cause celeb with donars.

let me ask, hypothetically, what do you think the "morally outraged lefts" response in support of that gay couple would have been, if the couple had gone to a halal bakers to buy sweets and cakes for their wedding and been refused service on the same grounds?

The response would have been the same.

that's bullshit and you know it!

Believe what you will.

also, if you want to be taken seriously, please don't ever quote wikileaks...EVER, thanks

This isn't my first rodeo, friend. All of the 74 incidents listed include links to credible news sources, and the statistics are credibly cited as well. If you'd like me to give you an incredibly long post listing all of them instead of a single link where you can find them, I'll see what I can do. Seems unnecessary, though.

Wikipedia and Wikileaks are two VERY different things.

If you want to be taken seriously, learn the difference. Also, don't engage in false either-or arguments, or straw man arguments. Also, provide your own research.

my bad, clearly i meant wikipedia...good catch! ;)

So what group do you want to defend?

Um.

Muslims in the US who kill LGBTQ people for religious reasons do not have protection from being held accountable for their actions, nor should they.

Muslims in the US who live peacefully (read: the vast majority of Muslims) deserve to keep doing that without being harassed.

Muslim nations who kill LGBTQ people deserve sanctions for violating human rights.

I'm missing how this is an either-or situation.

And the Muslim vote could end LGBTQ rights. So it is a either-or situation.

There are four times more LGBTQ people than there are Muslims in the US, according to Pew, and very few American Muslims hold hyper-conservative views concerning the interpretation of the Quran. It's not Muslims who are endangering LGBTQ rights - it's Christians who hold hyper-conservative views concerning the interpretation of the Bible (that number is higher than both combined).

Anyone is allowed to hold any religious belief they like, and may vote according to those beliefs. That's how this whole democracy thing works. On the other hand, no one is allowed to violate the human rights of others, even in the name of their religion. Laws are funny like that.

I don't have to choose between the Muslim and LGBTQ communities. They're made of Americans, who all share the same rights and are required to follow the same laws.

What if Muslims with radical ideas come to America?

That's a good looking cake.

If/When "they start pushing for it" i'd bet my mortgage that you and your politics friends and the rest of the moderates won't push back. no-one will.

almost 3 years ago the entire world saw clinton and the dnc conspire against bernie sanders. then later we watched as clinton launched the "russia russia russia" smokescreen to deflect from her email scandal. to the best of my knowledge, nobody on the left has ever challenged this.

what's your thoughts on the bernie thing?

and what do you genuinely think about "russia russia russia" and the mueller/collusion deal?

for the record, i'm not american and not right wing. i come from a very socialist leaning background and my politics always leaned to the left.

Bernie - At this point I'm meh, honestly. I was pretty mad about it at the time. Not because I would have voted for him (I wouldn't have), just because it was shitty. Change in the DNC leadership was necessary.

Russia - Mueller has a job to do. I want him to have as much time as he needs to complete it thoroughly and properly. If Trump's campaign reached out to a foreign power for oppo, that's some serious business that needs dealing with. Do I think Trump himself will fall for it? Nah. I think his people were at least smart enough to keep him out of such things. The only truly wild card that I see is Don Jr. We'll see.

Emails - this should have gone away after the first FBI investigation. There have been two now, with nothing to show for it. If there was anything to find, they would have found it.

re. Bernie: a lot of people would have been angry at the time...but my point was, nobody said anything...and the people involved are still heavily involved in driving the DNC

re: russia russia russia...you didn't answer me. i'm saying this was a smokescreen to deflect from the emails. do you genuinely believe the russia narrative?

as for the emails themselves and the FBI....who has the server? who examined it and who owns the company who examined it?

I believe an investigation is necessary. I don't believe it was a deflection because there was nothing to deflect from. The emails is a fat nothing burger.

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Left-wing DESTROYED.

I like facts.

I keep seeing comments (not just here) where LGBTQ defend Muslims (although Muslims toss LGBTQ off of rooftops) and deride Christians (who merely quote the Bible saying sodomy is an abomination). What is that all about? What is the connection between Muslims and LGBTQ? I don't get it.

Liberals feel bad for both of them.