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Fascist conservatives?! | HOW IS FASCIST A RIGHT WING LABEL? RIGHT WING MEANS CONSERVATIVE, CONSERVATIVE MEANS TO HAVE TRADITIONAL VALUES; TRADITIONAL VALUES IN USA MEANS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC; LIBERALS ARE A LITTLE MANIPULATIVE, WHO KNEW | image tagged in jackie chan wtf | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
1,341 views 28 upvotes Made by 1heart 6 years ago in politics
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6 ups, 6y,
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I follow your logic, but the terms you throw out are more nuanced than that.

The political spectrum generally ranges between Left and Right (terms that originally came from seating arrangements in the legislative centers of Revolutionary-era France, in that the aristocracy sat on the right and the commoners sat on the left in the chamber). In the US system, the closest thing we have to an aristocracy is the so-called "1%". Therefore, the Right in the US holds values that cater to the upper economic class (pro-business, anti-regulation, etc.) while the Left caters to the lower classes (pro-government assistance, etc.).

The natural extremes of these are usually framed as Communism on the Left (government controls all production and equality is a defining characteristic of the society) and Fascism on the Right (the ruling class controls all production and inequality is a defining characteristic of the society).

The vast majority of people oppose both extremes, and there are actually VERY few people who ascribe to either (though more now than in previous decades due to general polarization and distrust of existing political structures). Usually the terms are just used for fearmongering at this point.

So while Fascism is indeed the extreme end of the right wing, it's a term that is misused and over-used to the point that it doesn't command as much meaning as it should.
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SO WE CALL PEOPLE FASCIST FOR WHERE PEOPLE SIT.. THEY'RE ALL COMMIE FASCIST | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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>commie fascists
I think you mean woke and redpilled nazbol gang?
1 up, 6y,
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Not once did you give the definition of a Fascist.
2 ups, 6y,
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A Fascist is someone who ideologically supports either the creation or the perpetuation of a Fascist regime. Fascist regimes are not all alike, but all have certain common characteristics: authoritarian leadership (most often under a single dictator figure, but really any non-representative government that violently suppresses domestic opposition and severely regiments its population ticks this box), nationalism (the belief that one's nation is superior to all others), and exploitation of that nationalism to create an enemy within the population (e.g. Jews in Nazi Germany).

The US' path toward Fascism is clear, but the likelihood of it actually occurring is almost nonexistent. Trump would have to abolish term limits for himself, either falsify election results to the point of creating a 100% Republican Congress or do away with elections altogether, and vilify a group (most likely people of Hispanic descent, though there's wiggle room as opportunity arises) to the point of state-sanctioned violence against them. It's not impossible, but it's certainly implausible that it would get that far at all, and nearly impossible that it would happen without a civil war.
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You seriously are spewing out large words and acting as though you have some huge IQ and trying to sound right. That is not the definition of Fascism.
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By all means, give the proper definition. I'm all ears.
0 ups, 6y,
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Fascism is pushing your political ideals through threats and violence.
0 ups, 6y,
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See, this is what I mean when I say the word doesn't command as much meaning as it should. Your definition is the colloquial, what most people mean when they use the term anymore. I can absolutely see why it's devolved to that; threats and violence to push political ideals is a common thread of Fascist regimes.

However, if that's the only thing that defines it, then Fascism ceases to be a political structure and becomes simply a bad thing that people can do. It makes the guy who punched a protester at a Trump rally fascist. It makes all white nationalists fascists. It makes people on both sides of a bar fight that started with a political discussion fascist. It makes Trump himself fascist.

Basically, the colloquial meaning of the word makes fascism something you DO for your political ideals. In reality, Fascism is an actual political ideal in and of itself.

I recognize that we have different definitions of the word, and I suppose that's fine - in our own way, we're both right. Language is funny like that.
1 up, 6y,
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I'll give you that however why are you using the term white nationalist? A nationalist is anyone of any color that is proud of their country and want to focus solely on their own country over any other. I what form is Trump a Fascist though? I've never seen him use violence, in fact he is oppose to violence.
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A nationalist is someone who believes their country is superior to all countries, not just that they are patriotic. It's the negative extreme of patriotism.

A white nationalist is someone who believes white people are superior to all others, and seeks to create a nation dominated by them.

Trump has a long history of encouraging violence in individuals and glorifying violent responses to problems. If (as you'd previously stated) the only identifying feature of fascism is pushing political ideals through threats and violence, Trump fits the bill as a fascist instigator. HOWEVER, as there is more to Fascism than that, I wouldn't call him a Fascist.

I can absolutely see how Fascists would be drawn to him, though.
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If I take the time to explain the Truth you still will argue with me, it's what you people do. Educate yourself with the truth and don't listen to other people. A nationalist is a political, social, and economic system characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining sovereignty over the homeland. No where is it saying in the definition they find themselves better, and to throw white in the mix is just racist badgering crap. Not once has Trump encouraged violence. Not once despite your media friends saying so. Find a clip and post it if you actually think you can. He has said violence has no place in our republic, and has called for unity.
0 ups, 6y
So you're saying white nationalism isn't a thing? Like, at all?

And that literally every nation is nationalistic (last I checked every nation seeks to promote their interests and maintain their sovereignty)?

And you're going to ignore the blatant incitements to violence on the campaign (https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html - pay attention to the crowds and how they react to what he says) and the very often factually unfounded threats on Twitter that hit just about every day?

I absolutely believe that you have decided on a specific "truth" and have effectively stopped listening to other people. Good luck with that.
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This is so inaccurate my brain hurts from the stupidity. Is this what your globalist school system taught you, or what you have heard from the globalist controlled media. Try again.
0 ups, 6y
Correct me.
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