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One Does Not Simply Meme | BECAUSE. ONE IS A CHILD. THE OTHER IS JUST A F**KING FETUS. | image tagged in memes,one does not simply | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
It's as simple as that. :P
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Third World Skeptical Kid Meme | SO IN AMERICA THEY GET MAD WHEN CHILDREN ARE SEPERATED FROM THEIR MOTHERS BUT THESE SAME PEOPLE THINK ITS OK TO RIP OUT A LIFE FROM THEIR WO | image tagged in memes,third world skeptical kid | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Creepy Condescending Wonka Meme | TELL ME AGAIN HOW ITS WRONG TO ABORT CHILDREN BUT IT'S OK TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THEIR MOTHERS? | image tagged in memes,creepy condescending wonka | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
You damn right, skippy, it IS hypocrital.

Why people keep reposting this sentiment but fail to pick up on the FULL meaning of it and not catch the irony is beyond me.

Goose/Gander
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There was outrage by everyone about that. Don't assume only pro abortion people wanted families to keep from being separated.

Don't forget it was a pro abortion president that started the family separation policy.

Don't forget it was a right winger that signed the executive order to stop family separation from happening.
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Assumptions are irrelevent.
I am well aware of YOUR hypocritcal stance on the issue(s).

Yes, it is well known fact Trump is pro-abortion, just don't tell his brain voided minions.

You're lying again. Kindly refrain from addressing me any further. Your stupidity is fueled by your constant hemorrhaging of brain cells, don't need your bacillus near me.
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Oh, now, I think we could do without the ad hominem here.
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There's a context of a prolonged back n forth like this between me and him , including a more heated exchange with deliberately ignorant distortions on another meme going at the same time.
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lol
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Try looking it up.
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Perhaps later.
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I left a Maraschino in there for anyone who would dare tho,,,
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You're repeating yourself, and it doesn't sound as good as when you used my comments as retorts to others here, dummy.
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Triggered much, copycat?
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So your mamma does swallow haha
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And since you did reply to mine first, you can't pretend you didn't see it,,,
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lol Give him that middle finger he deserves!
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Oh snap! :)
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Fetuses aren't even alive until a certain stage in development. Check your facts, you idiot.
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"Fetuses aren't even alive"

I've seen some ignorant people on imgflip, but that's got to be one of the best examples I've seen. Gold star.

Have you ever seen "the silent scream"? Want to watch a not-alive 6 week old fetus get aborted? Have at it.
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There's nothing wrong with researching what the opposition has to say about a subject. In fact, that's the intelligent thing to do.
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Grind kept asking me to watch it , so I finally did. It's garbage. It shows an abortion on a really old, fuzzy, grainy ultrasound. You can barely make out what is happening. The fetus doesn't "scream", because at that stage of development it can't feel pain (something which the creator of the movie was forced to admit under oath).

Early on in the movie, he shows a model of a 12-week fetus. During the abortion segment, he has another fetus model sitting next to him which he claims is 12 weeks, but which is very clearly twice the size of the other 12-week model! It's complete dishonesty from start to finish.
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I'm sorry that you had to sit through such bullshit.
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The point of that video was the ultrasound. Clearly the fetus was trying to survive. Do you deny that?
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Yes, I deny that. The fetus wasn't "trying to survive", because at 12 weeks gestation it lacks the ability to make any conscious, informed decisions about survival. Everything it does is reflexive. If I tap your knee with a small hammer and your leg twitches, is your leg trying to survive?
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If someone stabs you with a knife and you scream or push them away, are you trying to survive or is that just a reflex?
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I'm glad to hear it. There is a lot of propaganda, but I'm sure you're mentally strong enough to withstand it.

Do me a favor. When the time comes for you to watch the sonogram, please leave all your preconceptions behind. Watch it for what it is. If you want to turn off the sound go ahead. You'll probably figure out when the tool enters the image anyway.
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You really thought I would sit through such stupidity?
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Lel. Gtfo trollalt
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About the "If someone stabs you with a knife and you scream or push them away, are you trying to survive or is that just a reflex?" thing. You are trying to survive if your a conscious being. Please stop sounding like an idiot.
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XD that meme comment above about winning an argument with an idiot!
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You're not part of this discussion. You haven't watched the ultrasound and your opinion is irrelevant. Go watch the ultrasound and then you can chime in.

Octavia is right, a lot of that film is propaganda. The important part is the ultrasound. If nothing else, watch that.
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If someone stabs me with a knife, I push them away because I have developed the capability to make conscious decisions about survival, and it would be reflexive as well, like when you touch a hot stove and immediately pull your hand back.
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"It would be reflexive as well"

When you feel pain you react. The first time I got shot with a paintball I thought a wasp stung me so I immediately and instinctively slapped at the area I felt pain. That was the best way my subconscious mind came up with to end the pain in that instant.

When the sucker pulled at the fetus in the video it instinctively reacted and tried to get away.

The fetus in the video may not have been "intelligent", but it was sentient enough to know that it needed to try and get away from the thing that ended up killing it. That's different than a knee jerk reaction.

Saying it's okay to kill a fetus because it's not fully aware is like saying it's okay to kill very retarded people. Are you alright with euthanasing retarded people as well as abortion? The only difference is that with time the fetus may grow up to be more intelligent than you or I.

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There you go. Making yourself sound more like an idiot.
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"Trying to survive". Thank you for making yourself sound more like an idiot.
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A heart beating life fetus...may be an unborn baby but still a baby
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How can a single cell contain a heart which is a multi-cellular organ?
It doesn't have intestines either, yet discharges waste. No brain, no nervous system, but senses stimuli...

At that stage, all metabolic processes are carried out the same way as any single cell or small multi cell animal would. A heartbeat would not only be impossible, but unnecessary,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,
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That's exactly my point. Pro-lifers talk about a fertilized egg as if it's a newborn baby. I'm pointing out their badly flawed argument.

For bonus points: what species is it in the picture I posted?
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But it is, in a sense, or as a coworker told me when we were 17, even if not, it will be.
Gosh, I miss being alive.

I have no idea, I would guess house mouse due to all the genetics, etc, experimentation utilizing the poor things, but given all the non-hamsters mislabeled as hamsters for Hamster Meme Week last week, I'll go with hamster. Cuz that's the way I roll,,,
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It's a horse ovum :)
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As in my ultra little tiny pony?
HA HA, classic

ba dum tischhhhhh!!!!!!!!
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XD
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What makes you think I'm angry at a fetus, just because I think abortion should be legal? If someone supports the Second Amendment should I accuse them of being angry at school kids who get shot?
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Stop sounding like an idiot. It is very obvious that abortion isn't murder.
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Even though you pretty much invalidated your own argument with your previous ignorant comment i'm done trying to explain the taking of life . This represents your Idiocracy. But it has been fun proving your stupidity at every turn
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If I wanted my own comeback, I'd wipe it off your chin.
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Took you only two whole days to Google that reply.

Moron.
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Can't you read who it was made by ... google brains ... hahahaha .. you're a loser
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Thats just the beginning... in 14 days the heart starts to develope according to new scientific research
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That's a picture of a horse ovum. At that stage of development, a person literally can't tell what *species* it is, yet pro-lifers say it's somehow a baby? Please.
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Haha. What idiots.
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:) I know, right?
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You already know at 6 weeks it's just a very tiny baby. Don't feign ignorance.
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Does seeing someone coming to the defense of the unborn make you upset? You've got some evil in you, fella.
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Okay. I'll tell you what "evil" is. Not letting a woman have an abortion, even though she has too many health problems to go through pregnancy. But, you know. Have the poor woman's life become worse and maybe even die because it's an "innocent unborn life", and "unborn lives must be protected". Now that's evil.
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That's an extremely special case, too small for a percentage. A woman like that is an irresponsible twat but I suppose there are exceptions to anything.

Planned parenthood admits that 1/3 of all abortions happen within the 8-12 week mark. That's baby killing. If that's not evil enough, that accounts for billions of dollars of profits.

Don't even pretend like you can justify it.
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You're just another troll alt. I get it now. Wasn't sure at first so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure now. The pieces have come together.
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Tell it to your mother.
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I understand that you don't understand the difference between a fetus and an embryo.

A fetus is just a fancy word for tiny baby that executioners use so they can remain detached from the killing they are committing. An embryo is the jumble of cells that you were referring to in that one post.

I agree that if the woman can catch her pregnancy in the very early stages of development then an abortion is semi-okay. This can only be done through bi monthly pregnancy tests and should be done by every sexually active woman every two weeks.

At six weeks after conception, its a full fledged baby. A very tiny baby. It may not be intelligent, but it is sentient. Abortion at that point is execution. To be safe, if a heartbeat is detected the abortion should be aborted.

Embryo's aren't babies, fetus's are. Abortion of a Fetus is a killing.
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"At six weeks after conception, its a full fledged baby. A very tiny baby. It may not be intelligent, but it is sentient. "

At six weeks a fetus is not even close to sentient. It has no awareness of its surroundings or even its own existence. It can't think or feel emotions.
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You remind me of people that say cats and dogs only want to sit on laps because they are warm.

You don't quote planned parenthood. You cite websites and articles that are quoting planned parenthood.

You still haven't acknowledged that the expert who helped make abortion legal changed his mind once ultrasound was invented.

Fools arguments, guaranteed, oblivious troll.

Be respectful of new youngsters.
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I read your red post.

Firstly, the brain never fully develops. It's like a muscle in the sense that it can always grow and reach new limits. Just because a person has a less developed brain doesn't mean they have less of a right to exist.

Also, your argument is sociopathic. You're saying that it's alright to kill something because you're better than it is. You're only better because you've been given the time to live, grow, gain knowledge and experience.

Babies can feel pain despite their lack of mental power. You saw with your own eyes the fetus in that video attempt to create distance from the object that killed it after its initial contact which would induce pain to anything that had the ability to feel it. If it had no mental faculties, why would it do so? We've already discussed the difference between the fetuses reaction and a knee jerk reaction so refrain from answering with that. Why would it act to preserve itself? Answer this.

I'll be fair, a six week along fetus is very underdeveloped and the video you saw was of a 12 week fetus. The 6 week fetus does have the beginnings of everything that make it human so I believe that is a good cutoff time to begin denying abortions. How much time into a pregnancy do you believe that an abortion should be denied?

One last thing. You keep mentioning that the doctor in the film testified that fetuses don't feel pain so I'd like to address that. He was an abortion doctor for almost 20 years. During that time he appeared in a court case that ended up legalizing abortion in the US and made that testimony there. This was before the invention of ultrasound that came in the 1970's. He was just parroting what he learned in textbooks.

Once he started seeing real time abortions, his view changed. He realized that the textbooks were just conjecture.

It's a rather tragic story. He was a champion for abortion: he helped legalize it in the US and even performed one on a woman he impregnated. With the advent of new technology he discovered he had opened the door to mass murder and even took the life of his own child.

Everything the medical community has learned from viewing real time abortion has been highly suppressed. The reason being that abortion had already become an industry and this new information would end up costing millions (and now billions) of dollars. You're smart enough to see the logic behind that.

Please do answer those questions I posed.
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I never said that having a less developed brain means something or someone has less of a right to exist.

I never said that it's alright to kill something just because I'm "better" than it is.

Babies can feel pain. A 12-week fetus cannot. Like I said before, even the doctor who made the video admitted this. The fetus moved away from the instruments as a reflex. That doesn't mean it could feel pain. Moving away from something doesn't mean it's causing pain.

You keep asking why it would act to preserve itself. It isn't. It lacks the mental capacity to do so. You're talking about a fetus as if it's a fully-developed child making conscious decisions.

I don't know exactly when abortion should cease to be allowed. Probably once the fetus can survive on its own outside the womb, which would be well past 12 weeks. I don't know what the cutoff is, but there is a cutoff before which a fetus cannot survive outside the womb at all.

Your claim that the doctor who made the video only said that fetuses couldn't feel pain at 12 weeks before ultrasound became widely available is bunk, because medical literature up to the present day confirms it. Fetuses cannot begin to feel pain until closer to 24 weeks. Even if they could feel pain at 20 weeks, like some lawmakers erroneously claim, that is still two full months after the 12-week point in Silent Scream.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/science-house-abortion-ban-fetal-pain/
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No you didn't say it, but that was the argument you made, nonetheless.

Guy, I think I've been assuming you're more intelligent than you actually are.

That website is bogus and biased to begin with. You shouldn't have even linked it.

Secondly, do you not understand how research works? The "Medical literature" is outdated the moment someone makes a discovery, like that doctor did.

"The baby responds to pain the same way you or I respond to pain, by recoiling." By the way, the 12 week fetus did the exact same thing.

The counter argument (that isn't even something you came up with): But that's not what the book written in 1850 or the book written with grants from planned parenthood said. You're not even trying to think for yourself. It's so obvious that the literature is outdated or just a plain lie!

You completely ignored what I said about the doctor from the silent scream. The expert that helped to make abortion legal pulled a 180 once technology allowed him to see what was really happening in the womb rather than having to rely on the conjecture of textbooks.

I'm done with you. You're either a troll or just too stupid and brainwashed to hold a conversation with me. All you do is say 'Nuh uh, planned parenthood says this' over and over and over and over. I'm done trying to open your eyes.

Farewell, and as the people who share your opinions say: stay woke.
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"No you didn't say it, but that was the argument you made, nonetheless."

No, it wasn't. You're being dishonest.

"Guy, I think I've been assuming you're more intelligent than you actually are."

I've been assuming that about myself as well :)

"That website is bogus and biased to begin with. You shouldn't have even linked it."

Coming from the guy who told me to watch a movie that he himself admitted was propaganda.

"The "Medical literature" is outdated the moment someone makes a discovery, like that doctor did."

Only if that discovery is actually backed up by research. If a doctor thinks they make a discovery, but further testing and research don't support their conclusion, it's not going to be accepted by the medical community.

"" The baby responds to pain the same way you or I respond to pain, by recoiling." By the way, the 12 week fetus did the exact same thing."

You have said this already and I have refuted it already. The fetus was not recoiling due to pain. It was recoiling reflexively.

"All you do is say 'Nuh uh, planned parenthood says this' over and over and over and over."

I went back and reread my last few comments, and sure enough, I mentioned Planned Parenthood exactly zero times.

Forget Planned Parenthood. Forget Mother Jones. Here's an article from a real medical source: the Journal of the American Medical Association. It says the following:

"Pain perception requires conscious recognition or awareness of a noxious stimulus. Neither withdrawal reflexes nor hormonal stress responses to invasive procedures prove the existence of fetal pain, because they can be elicited by nonpainful stimuli and occur without conscious cortical processing. Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks."

It clearly states that fetuses cannot feel pain until about 29 weeks development. Your claim that fetuses can feel pain at 12 weeks is absolute bunk. Read the article for yourself.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429
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How do you know? It has everything else a baby is supposed to have. Why do you assume it's missing those two things if it has all the physical parts needed to support those two things?

That's a scary assumption to make. What's worse is you're saying it mater-of-factly. It's clear that you believe it. But it is an assumption, not truth.

No one can be sure of sentience at that stage, but nature isn't wasteful. If it has a brain at that point (which it does), chances are it's being used. Furthermore, I've already explained to you why the 6 week old "fetus" in that film was having more than just a knee jerk reaction. It was fleeing from the thing that ended up taking its life. Even when it wasn't in physical contact with the sucker the "fetus" still attempted to flee. A knee jerk reaction requires an active physical stimulus which was absent many times. What the "fetus" experienced was a mental reflex: Self preservation is clearly an example of some form of intelligence. Self preservation is a direct response to fear.

You can say that isn't true but let me ask you this: can you prove to me you feel fear? Can you prove to me you feel pain?

The answer is no. You can try to convince me that you do, but the reality is I can never truly know. It's sort of like asking is the red I see the same as the red you see.

You're making poor assumptions about what something can and can't feel. At 6 weeks the baby has everything it physically needs to be exactly like you and me, minus experience and knowledge. Does it really make sense that those organs would be devoid of their purpose? Wouldn't it make more sense that as the brain forms so to does the mind rather than consciousness just popping up at some random point?
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At six weeks development, the brain is not even close to being fully developed. Even at birth it is not fully developed. Some parts of the brain don't fully develop until years later. That's why children and teenagers have problems with impulsivity: the part of the brain that controls impulsive actions is not fully developed yet.

A newborn is not a being that has the capacity for self-awareness or intelligent thought. It pretty much only knows how to do basic things like eat, sleep and engage in very basic stimulation with toys. It can't reason. It can't use logic. It can barely form coherent thoughts, if it can at all. If you point a gun at a newborn, it won't get scared, because it doesn't understand that the gun is something that can kill it.

A fetus is even less-developed than a newborn. Doctors (including the one who made The Silent Scream) have acknowledged that at that stage, fetuses can't even feel pain. If it can't feel pain, how could it be struggling to avoid the surgical tools?

Just because a fetus has a brain, it doesn't mean the brain can do everything a child's brain can. We know it can't.
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All fetuses begin as a single-celled organism after fertilization, yes? Is that single-celled organism alive? If you extinguish that life, is it not killing? Is that not the definition of killing: the extinguishing of life no matter the form?
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I just found this article last night. Check out it. It's very interesting. Pro-lifers claim that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks. This article from the American Medical Association completely debunks that lie. For many of them, lying is perfectly acceptable if it furthers their goal of stopping abortion.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429
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