They seem to expect the heavens to open up and God to yell, "Yoohoo! Here I am!"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sarahburton/check-out-my-mervag?utm_term=.rq5pXzJqQ#.rtNlJrey0

There's a lot more that you can research online about satanic corporate logos. I thought this would get you started. Although, I figure you already know what it means, which is why you posted it as your comment.
So tell me "Myrian", do you search key words like "atheist" and "narcissism", or do you actively look for Christian-themed memes to troll? Or do you specifically troll certain users that post such memes? I mean, how do you always find mine? Inquiring minds would like to know :3

If anything, I don't really shop at Starbucks. I just like carrying the red coffee cup wherever I go. Happy Holidays! :)
Generally speaking, I look for a conservative based meme to challenge its ideas and see how the creator reacts. I didn't even argue with this one; I just wished you a happy holiday season.

I do find your memes rather provoking. If anything, I prefer them to your comments.

I don't get to go to Starbucks often, let alone have coffee, so I haven't indulged in caffeine before... sounds fun though. ;P

You know, you two could talk to each other without having to come to the comment section of my memes. I don't need to be in on your bromance--just keep that in the closet.

You sure do like to sound all innocent...does EV stand for Extra Virgin?

Funny how you managed to sexualize caffeine. Refer to the "mervag" article from Buzzfeed above. Maybe that Starbucks logo subliminally planted those thoughts into your head...
I don't shop at Starbucks, period. I make my own coffee, tea or hot cocoa because it's cheaper and tastier that way. Plus, because I made it myself, I know exactly what's in it. I don't need some nasty, tatted, pierced, snobby "barista" with arm-pit hair, pretending to be a girl, touching my drink and charging me too much for the privilege.

"If anything, I don't really shop at Starbucks. I just like carrying the red coffee cup wherever I go. Happy Holidays! :)"

Uh huh. Why would anyone just carry around a dirty Starbucks to-go cup, especially if they don't really shop there? I think you just thought you could trigger me by saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" and used a satanic company's signature red coffee cup to express that sentiment. Since you seem to be a satanist at heart, you were probably really wishing me a happy Saturnalia. Did you enjoy Samhain dressed as a brony?

"Generally speaking, I look for a conservative based meme to challenge its ideas and see how the creator reacts."

So in other words, trolling.

"I do find your memes rather provoking. If anything, I prefer them to your comments."

I'll take that as a compliment, back-handed though it was. I noticed it took you a few days to respond this time. Paid trolls typically take 3 days to respond with a good comeback that the boss gave them--one that would be difficult to pick apart by the troll's prey. However, the one you posted above is pretty weak, son. But, Merry Christmas anyway. I hope you get the gift of Jesus' Saving Grace, because you're gonna need it!

"Uh huh. Why would anyone just carry around a dirty Starbucks to-go cup, especially if they don't really shop there?"

Are you asking if I carry Starbucks cups around?

I think you just thought you could trigger me by saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" and used a satanic company's signature red coffee cup to express that sentiment. "

The article that suggests that Starbucks connects with Satanism came from Buzzfeed. I don't trust Buzzfeed, not since I learned that the company steals content from other creators.

"Since you seem to be a satanist at heart, you were probably really wishing me a happy Saturnalia. Did you enjoy Samhain dressed as a brony? "

A) Ad hominem
B) What's Saturnalia?
C) What's Samhain?

"I'll take that as a compliment, back-handed though it was."

You're welcome!

"I noticed it took you a few days to respond this time. Paid trolls typically take 3 days to respond with a good comeback that the boss gave them--one that would be difficult to pick apart by the troll's prey."

Eh... I don't come on this site often, let alone receive money for coming here. If I did receive money for every time I came here, I'd be stinking rich because I've been here for the past whole year, two if you count my previous account.

"However, the one you posted above is pretty weak, son."

Still, you can't argue with the fact that I wished you a loving holiday season!

"But, Merry Christmas anyway. I hope you get the gift of Jesus' Saving Grace, because you're gonna need it!"

Merry Christmas to you too! I hope you get the gift of Jesus' Saving Grace as well! :)

"Are you asking if I carry Starbucks cups around?"
You literally said "I just like carrying the red coffee cup wherever I go" after saying you don't shop at Starbucks. So, that means you somehow came across a used red Starbucks coffee cup and you keep it with you (which is nasty), or you're just a straight-up liar and actually do shop at Starbucks.
"The article that suggests that Starbucks connects with Satanism came from Buzzfeed. I don't trust Buzzfeed, not since I learned that the company steals content from other creators."
Stealing content from other creators doesn't mean the content is false. Besides, Buzzfeed isn't the only place you can find this information. It was just the first article I came across in an internet search to post as an example that had good information.
"A) Ad hominem
B) What's Saturnalia?
C) What's Samhain?"
A. I'm just calling it like I see it. And what I see suggests that you are a Satanist troll.
B & C. Another troll tactic is to act ignorant. If you really don't know what Saturnalia and Samhain are, you can do an internet search. You'll find that's a pretty useful tool.
"Still, you can't argue with the fact that I wished you a loving holiday season!"
By posting a picture of Starbucks coffee cups? Knowing that I'm a Christian, why didn't you just post a picture of a Nativity scene or even a Christmas tree or Santa Claus and say Merry Christmas? Plus, there has been this well-known controversy going on for years now regarding "the war on Christmas". I think you were hoping to trigger me or insult me by saying Happy Holidays because of that. Again, if you really don't know what I'm talking about, do an internet search. I honestly don't know how you wouldn't be aware of such things unless you literally live in a cave. You obviously have internet access, so your claims of ignorance are pretty weak too.
BTW, the phrase "Happy Holidays" doesn't offend me at all. I've used it myself plenty of times. It was the Starbucks image that accompanied your sentiment that was offensive, because the logo is known to be satanic.
"Merry Christmas to you too! I hope you get the gift of Jesus' Saving Grace as well! :)"
I know you were trying to insult me with that one because I'm a bit harsh, but I thank you for the sentiment because we could all use His gift.
This meme is for you. Feel free to share it with your Christian friends.
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"You literally said "I just like carrying the red coffee cup wherever I go" after saying you don't shop at Starbucks.

And it didn't come across to you that I was being figurative?

"So, that means you somehow came across a used red Starbucks coffee cup and you keep it with you (which is nasty), or you're just a straight-up liar and actually do shop at Starbucks."

It really is an expression for 'I just like irritating people who irritate me."

"Stealing content from other creators doesn't mean the content is false. Besides, Buzzfeed isn't the only place you can find this information. It was just the first article I came across in an internet search to post as an example that had good information. "

I still don't believe Buzzfeed articles. I know Starbucks' icon is a little controversial, but like I said, I don't go there.

"A. I'm just calling it like I see it. And what I see suggests that you are a Satanist troll. "

The majority of Satanists are trolls. I'm just an atheist troll; I don't believe the Devil exists either. I will admit, you have made worse ad hominem attacks.

B & C. Another troll tactic is to act ignorant. If you really don't know what Saturnalia and Samhain are, you can do an internet search. You'll find that's a pretty useful tool."

I looked it up; I just wanted to know why you were asking me those questions..

"By posting a picture of Starbucks coffee cups? Knowing that I'm a Christian, why didn't you just post a picture of a Nativity scene or even a Christmas tree or Santa Claus and say Merry Christmas?"

'Cause why not?

"Plus, there has been this well-known controversy going on for years now regarding "the war on Christmas"... ...Again, if you really don't know what I'm talking about, do an internet search."

This whole "war on Christmas" was started because someone blamed the Jews for making us say "Happy Holidays".
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/war-on-christmas-short-history-101222

"I think you were hoping to trigger me or insult me by saying Happy Holidays because of that."

Maybe, but I was kinda expecting a "Happy Holidays" in return.

"I honestly don't know how you wouldn't be aware of such things unless you literally live in a cave. You obviously have internet access, so your claims of ignorance are pretty weak too."

I only use the internet for things worth looking up, and when I'm debating someone who I can learn from.

"BTW, the phrase "Happy Holidays" doesn't offend me at all. I've used it myself plenty of times."

Good to know.

"It was the Starbucks image that accompanied your sentiment that was offensive, because the logo is known to be satanic."

I must be edgy. :>

"I know you were trying to insult me with that one because I'm a bit harsh, but I thank you for the sentiment because we could all use His gift. "

You're welcome! I think we all could. :)

If a being is all knowing, then it knows the exact standard of evidence that's going to be required for acceptance.

It's also going to know that literally billions of people are not going to start reading up on random religions they come across in the hope that one of them happens to be true and a god pops up.

It's also going to know that people who already believe don't need a god to perform clear and factual miracles, but people who don't believe need exactly that.

Your book is full of cases where said being showed up and presented himself. No one in any holy book ever required faith to 'know' said being existed... it was right there making it clear..

To expect that suddenly people have to become theologians in your particular religion and open themselves up to vague events that could just as easily be happenstance as much as 'communication' is unacceptable as an expectation.

Sorry, but god literally does need to show up and communicate if he wants everyone else to believe. If he existed, he would be fully aware of this and you wouldn't need to speak on his behalf to rationalize the lack of him doing so..

I'm sure the real reason you took screenshots was so you can use it for trolling tips.

I suggest you read Luke chapter 16, verses 19 through 31. It's also a good idea to brush up on the story of Moses. How many miracles were performed in front of the Hebrews as they left Egypt, and they STILL lacked faith? God can't take away the free will he gave you just to force you to believe in Him.
If unbelievers today were to see Jesus Christ performing miracles, they would just say he was a clever magician. That is why such people are called those without eyes to see and ears to hear.

Perhaps this will be clearer..

Lets say 1 persons requirement of evidence is 5/10
and another persons requirement of evidence is 9/10
and one other person is X/10 as no evidence would ever suffice..

The god in question would be aware of these requirements for each person.
There would be no point providing 2/10 in a level of evidence because no one would believe it.... but apparently thats the complaint here --that this god being isn't providing ample evidence and people aren't accepting it as a result..

'If unbelievers today were to see Jesus Christ performing miracles, they would just say he was a clever magician'
Well you don't get to determine that though.. that is basically a rationalisation for why the requirements aren't being presented as they should... again, the god being isn't explaining this, you are taking it upon yourself to justify why he isn't..

'and they STILL lacked faith? God can't take away the free will'
Well then there's no limitation then, right? Those who will believe will believe, so then there will be no problem meeting the requirements (like showing up for a conversation) because the opportunity to reject it is always open.

You can't just demand that He show Himself to you; you need to be humble and willing to communicate with God in the way that HE chooses because God is the Creator of all and is in charge of all. You have to have at least a little faith to be able to discern when He is communicating with you. But you could try demanding God to answer you as in the 38th chapter of Job and see how that goes.

Your response basically invalidates your religions credibility, and here's why...

People around the world, myself included, get exposed to dozens of religions and none of them provide more than the other in terms of credibility.. no particular religious person like to hear that, but it doesn't change that its true.

All religions provide anecdotal stories, scripture and mental gymnastics and especially the rationalisation to justify why their religion isn't in control of nearly 100% of the worlds population by providing adequate evidence of its validity..

from any outwards appearance there is no reason to believe a christian is having a personal relationship with jesus any more than the mongolian is temporarily being taken over by a warrior spirit... they both believe it, but neither can provide evidence beyond the other that validates their belief.. all they can really do is argue that one's telling the truth and the other isn't (or some variation of one not being accurate)

The only thing that can separate the true god from the false one is the existence of evidence. A car alarm going off when praying is no more evidence of communication for a christian god in America than the same event for a Hindu god in India (for example) This is why 'opening oneself to indirect communication' is not an acceptable method of determining the truth..

As a response to this, your way of dealing with that (as with all religions) is to rationalise, and even blame others..

1. He doesn't have to show you evidence
2. You need to take car alarms (for example) as evidence, but you dont
3. If god did a very specific miracle you'd probably just think he was david copperfield etc etc

Basically you're arguing on gods behalf to explain away the issue of why god not providing the required evidence and god not existing seems very similar... that's a problem..

Also, no one is 'demanding' god to prove himself, god, by his very nature (as proposed in his books) is obligating it himself.
If a being knows all, he knows what the requirement is, was and will be... If he fails to provide it, then that is his failing (or purposeful intent)
People not knowing a specific god exists is a failure of the being to present himself in a superior way to ones that aren't real... and that's not happening, as demonstrated by your comment..

I never said anything about car alarms being a message from God. I can't imagine anyone asking God to answer them in such a manner anyway. How would a car horn actually convey a message effectively? Morse code? You'd have to actually know Morse code if God decided to answer you that way anyway, or God would have to give you the understanding to decode it if you didn't. If that were to happen to you, would that be sufficient proof?
Instead of being hostile, you could be open-minded and sincere in wanting answers. You could do some bible research to find out why people believe in it. I always wondered why people believed in magick, until I did the research (and experiments) and found it was real. It then eventually led me to the fact that people believe so strongly in Jesus, God and the Bible because it is also real, and is preferable over magick.
You and everything around you is proof God exists. And where do you think conscious thought came from?
I said UNBELIEVERS would think Jesus is just some magician simply because they don't believe, because Satan has tricked them into thinking there is no God, no devil, no nothing but some chaotic soup or nothingness, or whatever, that in the beginning somehow produced us, this world and everything in it.
I am ill-equipped to cover this topic in a way that would somehow "save" you. I'm still learning but what I am learning is absolutely amazing. I will continue learning for the rest of my life.
I do believe you took my meme personally because it struck a nerve. Perhaps you would benefit from watching Win Worley's deliverance videos on YT.
Be blessed in Jesus' name.

I didn't take your meme personally as much as I've literally heard the same form of arguments from people from a series of completely contradictory religions, all professing a claim of accuracy but a lack of ability to validate it.. much in the same way that myself making up a god and religion would have no more or less ability to prove it and rationalise away the reasons why this god isn't presenting itself in a way more than another.

Well my argument with the car alarm was simply a case of
'I as praying for a sign -- a car alarm went off --ergo, god contacted me in mysterious ways etc etc'
My point was that if you open your mind to (what could be construde as gullibility) you're going to receive 'evidence' that isn't actually evidence at all.
This is why extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.... not that the all knowing almighty set off a car alarm as a demonstration of him listening to prayers etc etc

Again its one of those things -- People have no obligation to do anything for a religion if the god of said religion has these series of all-knowing, all-powerful characteristics as claimed.

There's nothing to open-your-mind to.. The god being in question knows whatever I was or wasn't going to do since the beginning of time, right?
So if he knows I have no justification to open a select book among hundreds of similar ones, then he knows the requirements to make that change... which he isn't doing... This is the same result of a being which can't do those things or didn't exist in the first place...and that's a problem I have with religious peoples arguments that someone else has to be at fault for that *shrugs shoulders*

Let's do it this way... rather than sweeping away the problem with 'they just need to open their mind and accept lower levels of proof'.... pray for me to receive the proof that I require.
If he answers your prayers and I get it, then I'll come and let you know.
If I don't reply (ever) then perhaps there's an issue..
Seems fair.

Just some advice--don't confuse religion with faith. Religion is basically the gatekeeper that wants to control what people believe and cause confusion. I don't attend any churches because it's hard to find one that is true to the Word of God.
I agree that what you propose is fair and open-minded. I do pray that I hear from you again. It can be a slow process, so keep your (spiritual) eyes and ears open. God reveals things to you but only as much as you can handle at the time. Satan may try to test you as well.
God bless you in Jesus' name.

Actually they don't need "the heavens to open up" because Romans 1:20 says that people are "without excuse" for their denial of God because by the mere existence of creation God's invisible attributes can be "clearly seen" and understood namely his "eternal power" and "divine nature."

Thank you! I seem to have triggered someone with this meme.
Proof that God does answer prayers!

Good work!
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LOL! And it looks like I triggered another one, tee hee...
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